Need to adopt middle course regarding Pakistan Army!!

[Maula Jatt]

The whole qoum needs to repent for the excesses of war of terror, we collectively backed these p0rn producing colonial sepoys when they were clearly in the wrong bombing our own citizens back to stone age to be in the good books of their mai baap Amreeka bahadur...

If we hadn't given them the cover to sell our own citizens to Amreeka, bomb FATA and provide bases/air corridor for drones to rain down terror, maybe now we'd be in a better position now. But since the dumb pathans were in the firing line, rest of the country didn't give a $h!t.

Taliban created in Afghanistan by Afghans

Sheltered OBL

9/11

Sole superpower America on a rampage- Iraq, Afghanistan and than later many others countries left totally destabilized to this day when were more homogeneous than us, more devaloped too

Asked for a corridor to A-stan - provided it , which in our situation, would to

Taliban flooded in tribal areas as the border is not really a border

3 options either Americans land in your territory and conduct operations, 2- drones 3- or army goes in clean up the area and fence it

Last part is the only place where you f-ed- NEVER EVER allow outsiders in your affairs, they Do more damage as they have nothing to lose or care

Should have done zarb e azb yourself in late 2000s and fenced it with minimal talib presence saving yourself from 100 of billions $ worth of damages, drones was a f up

But than for zarb e azm you needed public support which was gained after aps - TTP to this day is supported by section of waziri population and a poster from swat himself said how before/ pre TTP attrocities many liked TTP, infact after laal masjid TTP was strengthened in Many parts of Pak

So I don't know, easy to shit talk everything

- would a civillian leadership done a better job - 100% but it wouldn't be totally different even if ANP was in charge forget Musharraf cause of circumstances

 

[arjunk]

The whole qoum needs to repent for the excesses of war of terror, we collectively backed these p0rn producing colonial sepoys when they were clearly in the wrong bombing our own citizens back to stone age to be in the good books of their mai baap Amreeka bahadur...

If we hadn't given them the cover to sell our own citizens to Amreeka, bomb FATA and provide bases/air corridor for drones to rain down terror, maybe now we'd be in a better position now. But since the dumb pathans were in the firing line, rest of the country didn't give a $h!t.

You're such an entitled, emotional brat, sitting on the other side of the planet in the US and issuing fatwas on the military.

Why don't you ask a Pakistani how pre Zarb e Azb there were daily bomb blasts and terrorist attacks, how even Islamabad and Lahore were not safe, how TTP attacked Karachi airport, military bases, and APS with impunity?

Your hate for the military is so blind that even an Americanised burger like yourself is willing to support ISIS-K and the Taliban's rabid cousin, TTP, which was even disowned by other terrorist orgs like al Qaeda.

Emotional fools such as yourself and the brainwashed gunman who shot Imran are TLP and TTP's main recruiting base.

 

[Baburfromsarmarkand]

Meh. I think space x is more technologically advanced than our collective forces. All that spending ain't leading nowhere. Soviets at least went to space built their own planes, engines, subs.

 

[SaadH]

You're such an entitled, emotional brat, sitting on the other side of the planet in the US and issuing fatwas on the military.

Why don't you ask a Pakistani how pre Zarb e Azb there were daily bomb blasts and terrorist attacks, how even Islamabad and Lahore were not safe, how TTP attacked Karachi airport, military bases, and APS with impunity?

Your hate for the military is so blind that even an Americanised burger like yourself is willing to support ISIS-K and the Taliban's rabid cousin, TTP, which was even disowned by other terrorist orgs like al Qaeda.

Emotional fools such as yourself and the brainwashed gunman who shot Imran are TLP and TTP's main recruiting base.

Yeah, expecting your country's armed forces to not bomb you on the behest of a foreign colonial power is bratty entitlement...right

Get your head out of Army's arse and think like a common citizen in FATA that was on the receiving end of the "Non-NATO" strategic alliance by the colonial sepoys...

BTW all the unrest and militancy was a backlash against colonial sepoy's betrayal of their own proxies and then brutal bombing campaign in FATA...

I am sure you are aware of this one incidence which your coward commando hero Busharraf proudly claimed as his handiwork and I'm sure you get off every time just reading about this tragedy:

Chenagai airstrike - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Olympus81]

Cutting the defense budget by a good 30% is a good option.

This way, the army will cut it’s size and have less time on ‘extra curricular’ activities.

 

[Goritoes]

Nope, FUQ them all.

 

[imadul]

your are obviously trying to start a heated debate, no one here is against the army! this is an defence website for fuks sake! When we bash the army, we are bashing the decision makers and people with power who have exposed themselves in the past 7 months. no longer can the establishment enjoy the blind faith they have been shown the past 70 years

I do understand.
We should not use obscene words naming, Army.
I am as much angry what we have watched for the past 6 months.
It is top leadership. A common soldier is with PTI and IK. We should mindful of them.

You're such an entitled, emotional brat, sitting on the other side of the planet in the US and issuing fatwas on the military.

Why don't you ask a Pakistani how pre Zarb e Azb there were daily bomb blasts and terrorist attacks, how even Islamabad and Lahore were not safe, how TTP attacked Karachi airport, military bases, and APS with impunity?

Your hate for the military is so blind that even an Americanised burger like yourself is willing to support ISIS-K and the Taliban's rabid cousin, TTP, which was even disowned by other terrorist orgs like al Qaeda.

Emotional fools such as yourself and the brainwashed gunman who shot Imran are TLP and TTP's main recruiting base.

This is mushi brought all of that to Pakistan.
Having said that, Army did give sacrifices. It is a hard earned one, but Mir Bajwa has hard earned absolute dishonor for the Army.
Long term solution shall be a reorg in the army, parliament oversight over chief appointment in military and judiciary.
They have become a super state. Have to be brought down to earth.

 

[Imran Khan]

یہ لوگ ملک کے اندر ایک ملک ہے دیکھا نہیں موچھوں والے سور آئس پیار والے کی بکواس ؟ کتے کے بچے یہ ملک ہے تو تمہیں ٹکڑے مل رہے ہیں ورنہ تم ہمدوستان میں رکشہ چلا رہے ہوتے ۔

 

[FuturePAF]

Would you please find a country whose military expenditure accounts for more than gdp3% and can still develop its economy?
Military spending is so high that it is unlikely to last long. The Pakistani army must be reformed. The people can no longer stand it and yearn for economic development.

Israel

Israel - Military expenditure (% of GDP)

www.indexmundi.com

They developed with aid, FDI, reforms, and human capital development.

 

[chinasun]

Israel

Israel - Military expenditure (% of GDP)

www.indexmundi.com

They developed with aid, FDI, reforms, and human capital development.

At that time, Israel had a population of only 2 million and a huge overseas business empire, excluding GDP. Generally received higher education. The United States supported him militarily in order to dominate the Middle East.

 

[applesauce]

china was basically in a period of peace for most of the last 60 years.

what? are you kidding?

china 1962 to 2022 was a enemy of both of the world's only superpowers, each of whom openly threatened china nuclear annihilation. right up until the break up of the soviet union there were millions of soviet men in arms stationed just across the border
india always looked for a chance to provoke in the Himalayas and the sino-vietnam war happened, and while it technically ended in 79', a border war involving sporadic fighting and artillery duels would continue to happen right up until 1990.
the "good" times were between 1991 and 2012 or so when the threats went away and the us had not yet given any attention to china's rise.

 

[FuturePAF]

At that time, Israel had a population of only 2 million and a huge overseas business empire, excluding GDP. Generally received higher education. The United States supported him militarily in order to dominate the Middle East.

Many things were in their favor to afford such a relatively high military budget. Pakistan could do, not the same but similar, with similar aid from China, but only after it gets its internal politics and finances in order, which will hopefully be the outcome of the current situation.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Respect comes from honorable actions

 

[FuturePAF]

what? are you kidding?

china 1962 to 2022 was a enemy of both of the world's only superpowers, each of whom openly threatened china nuclear annihilation. right up until the break up of the soviet union there were millions of soviet men in arms stationed just across the border
india always looked for a chance to provoke in the Himalayas and the sino-vietnam war happened, and while it technically ended in 79', a border war involving sporadic fighting and artillery duels would continue to happen right up until 1990.
the "good" times were between 1991 and 2012 or so when the threats went away and the us had not yet given any attention to china's rise.

I will agree the Soviet’s were a potential existential threat during the Cold War, but they ultimately were kept at bay through diplomacy until they collapsed.

The tensions with India and Vietnam were bad but not existential.

As for the US, china’s “bide you time and hide your strength” strategy worked as the economic benefits to both countries kept the west content.

 

[applesauce]

I will agree the Soviet’s were a potential existential threat during the Cold War, but they ultimately were kept at bay through diplomacy until they collapsed.

The tensions with India and Vietnam were bad but not existential.

As for the US, china’s “bide you time and hide your strength” strategy worked as the economic benefits to both countries kept the west content.

i didnt say china went to war with the soviets.
i said it was not a peaceful time.
i do not call hundreds dead, with hundreds of thousands on both sides on hair trigger, ready to go to open war peaceful. i do not call the soviets preparing and openly threatening to nuke china "peaceful".

it seems in your definition, any conflict that isn't open declared warfare with existence of the nation on the line is called "peaceful".

by that measure, the vietnam war sure was peaceful, the korean was sure was peaceful, the us has been "peaceful" every day since ww2 ended then huh? just dont worry about all the invasions.

ukraine is just sooo peaceful right now isnt it?