Navy's Next Destroyer Line Christened Visakhapatnam-class, 1st Launch Next Week

[Tshering22]

Cruisers add a powerful punch to CBG's.

They are a crucial part. Even if we have one Nuke powered cruiser armed with powerful missiles, it makes a big statement to the countries in times of peace or war.

A single cruiser with its fire power can strike the many targets.

I really hope Naval Design Bureau opens their eyes and looks into the viability of future stealthy battle cruisers. Even if it is 3 or 4 of them that should be a good start.

NDB will have to figure out how to make a nuclear reactor inside a ship though. Arihant experience may come in hand. A battle cruiser is a huge, huge warship. just a couple of them patrolling our ocean would do the job.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Almost all of the navy's shipbuilding in last decade was delayed due to Russia. later SAIL-DRDO developed Indian and better steel for the ships. Now they are looping Russians again!!!

The Russians are merely consulting, there's not much scope for them to cause delays and they aren't stepping on SAIL or DRDO's toes.

 

[Tshering22]

India has the capability to build these cruisers !

The reactor tech will be a problem.

 

[Abingdonboy]

The Project 15B vessel will retain the hull form of Kolkata class destroyers and most of its systems, there will be some significant upgrades. For example, some structural changes in the superstructure will improve stealth and include better sound and infrared suppression. The Project 15B will also differ from the Project 15A through employing a fully flush deck. This will improves stealth because of the smoothness of the overall deck with far fewer angles and corners. The displacement of each Project 15B will be approximately 7,000 tons, a 200 ton addition over the Project 15A Kolkatas.

48 cells for LR-SAM
16 cells for AShMs
2 Kavach chaff dispensers
2 Mareech ATDS dispensers
4 AK630

@Dillinger @Penguin @Capt.Popeye

The IN's future warships (including the P-15Bs) won't have the AK-630 CIWS, the hunt for a new generation gun-based CIWS is already on by the IN.


+ The P-15Bs (and P-17As) will have the OTO Melara 127/64 LW main gun.

Note that the VSR remains the same as that on the P-15A due to the MoD's inability to select an active-VSR.

I hope this is just for representational purposes- it will be utterly absurd for a billion dollar destroyer commissioned in 2018 to have the Thales LW-08 VSR! The IN has already selected the RAN-40L for the IAC-1 (I was under the assumption this would also find its way onto the P-15Bs), even the Shivlaik class get the EL/M-2238 3D-STAR.

I really hope Naval Design Bureau opens their eyes and looks into the viability of future stealthy battle cruisers. Even if it is 3 or 4 of them that should be a good start.

NDB will have to figure out how to make a nuclear reactor inside a ship though. Arihant experience may come in hand. A battle cruiser is a huge, huge warship. just a couple of them patrolling our ocean would do the job.

A 12,000 ton SSGN would surely be far more deadly than the equivalent surface vessel (a large, nuclear powered cruiser).

 

[Dillinger]

The IN's future warships (including the P-15Bs) won't have the AK-630 CIWS, the hunt for a new generation gun-based CIWS is already on by the IN.


+ The P-15Bs (and P-17As) will have the OTO Melara 127/64 LW main gun.


I hope this is just for representational purposes- it will be utterly absurd for a billion dollar destroyer commissioned in 2018 to have the Thales LW-08 VSR! The IN has already selected the RAN-40L for the IAC-1 (I was under the assumption this would also find its way onto the P-15Bs), even the Shivlaik class get the EL/M-2238 3D-STAR.


A 12,000 ton SSGN would surely be far more deadly than the equivalent surface vessel (a large, nuclear powered cruiser).

The RAN-40L is supplied by Finmeccancia, which despite the revised stand of the MoD stands in the dock.

The IN's future warships (including the P-15Bs) won't have the AK-630 CIWS, the hunt for a new generation gun-based CIWS is already on by the IN.


+ The P-15Bs (and P-17As) will have the OTO Melara 127/64 LW main gun.


I hope this is just for representational purposes- it will be utterly absurd for a billion dollar destroyer commissioned in 2018 to have the Thales LW-08 VSR! The IN has already selected the RAN-40L for the IAC-1 (I was under the assumption this would also find its way onto the P-15Bs), even the Shivlaik class get the EL/M-2238 3D-STAR.


A 12,000 ton SSGN would surely be far more deadly than the equivalent surface vessel (a large, nuclear powered cruiser).

Depends upon the purpose of the ship. Not particularly if theater/area defence and naval ABM are the role the platform is meant for.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

I hope this is just for representational purposes- it will be utterly absurd for a billion dollar destroyer commissioned in 2018 to have the Thales LW-08 VSR! The IN has already selected the RAN-40L for the IAC-1 (I was under the assumption this would also find its way onto the P-15Bs), even the Shivlaik class get the EL/M-2238 3D-STAR.

Don't underestimate the LW-08 radar. It entered service with the IN on the Giri Class as the HSA LW-08; but is not the same radar now. It is a very reliable work-horse. There is a reason why it is still in service in a very upgraded form.

 

[Srinivas]

The reactor tech will be a problem.

They have already started designing a bigger reactor for the follow on Nuke subs of about 8000 tons.

Miniaturization of the nuke reactor is difficult rather than building bigger ones I guess.

 

[Tshering22]

A 12,000 ton SSGN would surely be far more deadly than the equivalent surface vessel (a large, nuclear powered cruiser).

It will also be far more costlier due to the various life support systems on board and obviously the sheer scale and size.

Cruises would be cheaper and would give us limitless range to monitor. A couple of Kirov class cruisers have enough firepower to obliterate the navy of a small nation just by themselves (theoretically speaking by the armaments they carry).

 

[Manindra]

Previously they have planned to name it Bengaluru class destroyers, what happen they change the name ?

 

[Srinivas]

Cruisers can hold more weapons than nuke subs of similar tonnage, they can also act as shields for CBGs.

 

[Kinetic]

As we cannot afford large number of ships, I think IN have two options....

1) Make the LPD/LHD or even carriers heavily weaponised.
2) Build large number of stealth corvettes like Kamorta... arm them with 16 Brahmos-2, 32 cell MRSAM and two CIWS. Also dedicated ASW vessels armed with long range torpedos. We can use them in a two front war.

The Russians are merely consulting, there's not much scope for them to cause delays and they aren't stepping on SAIL or DRDO's toes.

I hope you are right. But after making so many destroyers, they still need consulting!!! sigh!!

 

[kaykay]

So they changed the name. Anyway It will be basically a improved Kolkata class with more fire power, improved stealth features and a bit more displacement.

 

[Srinivas]

A 12,000 ton SSGN would surely be far more deadly than the equivalent surface vessel (a large, nuclear powered cruiser).

Imagine a Cruiser armed with 60 to 70 Brahmos missiles.

 

[kaykay]

Imagine a Cruiser armed with 60 to 70 Brahmos missiles.

Honestly speaking bro, IMO that would be a waste. Our carriers with Mig-29Ks( Will carry 2 brahmos-m) will do that job prettywell with more flexibility and covered area. Anyway 14 AESA destroyers+ 15 other warships( Delhi+Talwar+ Shivalik+ other warships, all are either equipped or getting brahmos after MLU refit) all equipped with Brahmos will be a serious force to reckon with in Indian Ocean. No to forget a very large fleet other missle corvettes, ASW corvettes with few LPDs. All we need to do is to work to operationalize our SSN fleet asap.

 

[Srinivas]

Honestly speaking bro, IMO that would be a waste. Our carriers with Mig-29Ks( Will carry 2 brahmos-m) will do that job prettywell with more flexibility and covered area. Anyway 14 AESA destroyers+ 15 other warships( Delhi+Talwar+ Shivalik+ other warships, all are either equipped or getting brahmos after MLU refit) all equipped with Brahmos will be a serious force to reckon with in Indian Ocean. No to forget a very large fleet other missle corvettes, ASW corvettes with few LPDs. All we need to do is to work to operationalize our SSN fleet asap.

No, Brahmos is only offensive capability, a cruiser can hold more than 100 surface to air missiles. This ship can protect the CBG in case of air attacks.

Plus in future if India goes for rail guns Cruiser is the best platform, to hold more ammunition.

25 Migs can hold 25 Brahmos of miniature version that is not a fire power needed to face a strong enemy.

Considering the IOR region which is vast, IN needs more numbers of Destroyers and frigates. Since forming CBGs will require dedicated fleet.