Navy ‘toothless’ as several warships lack critical offensive capability

[Han Patriot]

Meh, you even lack basic comprehension skills.

Yes, you are that genius who thinks commissioning means partial completions, just like how your aircraft carriers was launch 3 times right?

 

[gslv mk3]

Yes, you are that genius who thinks commissioning means partial completions

A lot of warships are commissioned fitted for several weapons/sensors but not with. RN's Type 45 waited 3 years for it's primary armament-Sea Viper- despite being a AAW destroyer. There are many more examples.

Of course, a paid CCP troll wouldn't care. I know.

 

[Smriti95]

Atlas Elektronik provides Towed Sonars for F-22Ps.

That is just towed sonars. Even our brahmaputra frigates got sintra towed sonar.
ACTAS is different.

 

[Imran Khan]

@Windjammer you blasphemer you insulted blue green red orange water navy

 

[ni8mare]

Drdo's ATLAS and SRSAM will go into this corvettes....

Advanced Light Towed Array Sonar (ALTAS) on Naval Platforms. ALTAS system consists of mainly four subsystems i.e. Wet end system, Launch/Recovery unit (LRU), On-board Electronics and System Software.

The Wet End System consists of Transmitter and Receiver Arrays and Tow Cable assembly. The Transmitter Array is housed in a Vertically stabilised body and is hooked on to the seamless Tow Cable with linear receiver Array. The Launch/Recovery unit consists of a Heavy Duty Winch for Deployment, Retrieval and Stowage of tow cable assembly and Receiver Array and a hydraulically operated robotic handling gears for the launch/recovery of the Vertically stabilised body. The receiver array is linked to the on-board electronics through fibre optic telemetry. The Tow Cable Assy Receiver Array Transmitter Array Launch/Recovery Unit On-board Electronics on-board electronics consists of transmit waveform generators including power amplifiers for generating the acoustic pulse and specific hardware modules for signal processing and display. The system software which resides on the on-board hardware modules implements advanced signal processing algorithms for target detection and localisation and presents the results in innovative display formats.

 

[cerberus]

Drdo's ATLAS will go into this corvettes....

Advanced Light Towed Array Sonar (ALTAS) on Naval Platforms. ALTAS system consists of mainly four subsystems i.e. Wet end system, Launch/Recovery unit (LRU), On-board Electronics and System Software.

The Wet End System consists of Transmitter and Receiver Arrays and Tow Cable assembly. The Transmitter Array is housed in a Vertically stabilised body and is hooked on to the seamless Tow Cable with linear receiver Array. The Launch/Recovery unit consists of a Heavy Duty Winch for Deployment, Retrieval and Stowage of tow cable assembly and Receiver Array and a hydraulically operated robotic handling gears for the launch/recovery of the Vertically stabilised body. The receiver array is linked to the on-board electronics through fibre optic telemetry. The Tow Cable Assy Receiver Array Transmitter Array Launch/Recovery Unit On-board Electronics on-board electronics consists of transmit waveform generators including power amplifiers for generating the acoustic pulse and specific hardware modules for signal processing and display. The system software which resides on the on-board hardware modules implements advanced signal processing algorithms for target detection and localisation and presents the results in innovative display formats.

Its Widely available Now
Few batches ordered For Navy

Keltron bags Rs.7-crore orders for defence systems

But IN want ATACS off-course they have fetish for Foreign Stuff Like IAF & IA

 

[ni8mare]

But IN want ATACS off-course they have fetish for Foreign Stuff Like IAF & IA

ATACS ordered as stopgap measure .......while ATLAS gets ready

 

[Advocate Pakistan]

Navy ‘toothless’ as several warships lack critical offensive capability
By Pradip R Sagar | Express News Service | Published: 20th October 2017 02:28 AM |

Last Updated: 20th October 2017 11:45 AM

NEW DELHI: THE Indian navy may be on a warship commissioning spree, but it’s actually ‘toothless’. Earlier this week, the INS Kiltan-Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) stealth corvettes joined the eastern naval command but without any offensive capability like the Active Towed Array Sonar (ACTAS) system, which is essential to detect enemy submarines.

The navy is yet to get six low-frequency ACTAS systems for which it’s awaiting Atlas Elektronik from a German firm since 2015. But due to the new blacklisting policy, things are moving in the right direction, a naval official said.

“ACTAS is still some distance away and we are hoping for Nagin, a similar system which is under development by the DRDO,” said an official. Launching the stealth corvettes was aimed at giving a fillip to India’s anti-submarine warfare capabilities, keeping in view China’s dominance in the Indian Ocean Region.According to naval sources, Indian ships currently use bow-mounted or hull-mounted sonar which is less effective. The towed-array sonar provides observation of the sea space at ranges considerably over 60 km, depending on the propagation conditions of the water. This gives the sonar an operational range that far exceeds that of radars and the weapons range of submarines, making it not only ideal for hunting submarines but also for wide-area reconnaissance of surface combatants.

Incidentally, INS Kamorta, another anti-submarine warfare corvette, which was inducted in the navy in August 2014, is still floating without its strike capability.It’s a similar story with the navy’s submarine fleet as well. Kalveri class (popularly known as Scorpene submarines) was commissioned without the key weapon of a submarine — torpedo. But, the navy desperately requires these torpedoes to be mounted on its already-delayed six Scorpene submarines under construction by state-owned Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Ltd in collaboration with French firm DCNS.

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A naval official claimed that without the heavyweight torpedoes, the submarines are almost “toothless”. The navy is waiting for the next Kalveri class submarine — INS Khanderi — to be inducted by November.
It happened because Black Shark torpedoes — multi-purpose weapons designed to be launched from submarines — are produced by a subsidiary of Finmeccanica called WASS (Whitehead Alenia Sistemi Subacquei). It was declared the winner in 2014 after competitive bidding. But the contract could not be signed as the government put a ban on signing the deals in the wake of a probe into the VVIP helicopter deal. Earlier this year, India had cancelled its contract to buy 98 Black Shark heavyweight torpedoes at an estimated cost of $200 million.

According to a navy official, the strength of the navy’s submarines has dwindled from a total of 21 submarines in the 1980s to 13 conventional submarines plus one indigenous Arihant-class nuclear submarine and one Russian Akula-class submarine operating on lease. China, in comparison, has a strength of 65 subs, which “is a matter concern”.
“What is the point of commissioning warships which are not ‘battle ready’, asked a senior defence official.

don't you think that the Indian forces deliberately get such articles published to force civilian leaders to fast track acquisitions and allocate more and more resources for such.

 

[SingaporeGuy]

And All the monies disappeared somewhere...

 

[Papa Dragon]

don't you think that the Indian forces deliberately get such articles published to force civilian leaders to fast track acquisitions and allocate more and more resources for such.

That is true to some extent but the dark side is to fast track the acquisitions from foreign firms in favor of kickbacks and commissions. IN is relatively far better in terms of promoting & inducting indigenous stuff when compared to IA or IAF

 

[Han Patriot]

A lot of warships are commissioned fitted for several weapons/sensors but not with. RN's Type 45 waited 3 years for it's primary armament-Sea Viper- despite being a AAW destroyer. There are many more examples.

Of course, a paid CCP troll wouldn't care. I know.

So? Do I care? Do you understand the word 'commissioned'? It means everything is ready including the subsystems. If it's not ready don't call it commissioned, understand? Or maybe Indians are famous for their own definitions like semi-bullet trains, mini hubbles and also semi supa powa? Just admit your own incompetence and your serious reliance on foreign weapons system.

 

[Indian Jatt]

meanwhile this is what IN is up to literally the laughing stock of the world

The only thing that you need to remember is the destruction and misery Indian navy has inflicted upon you and people of karachi......rest all its non of your business.

So? Do I care? Do you understand the word 'commissioned'? It means everything is ready including the subsystems. If it's not ready don't call it commissioned, understand? Or maybe Indians are famous for their own definitions like semi-bullet trains, mini hubbles and also semi supa powa? Just admit your own incompetence and your serious reliance on foreign weapons system.

Do you read? Every ship of Indian navy is commissioned with substitute systems, its not like our scorpene submarines are not carrying torpedoes, they are carrying torpedoes but not black shark HWT, and also Kamorta is carrying towed sonars and sensors but not the german ones, you get that? media will show you a bulb and say it is a moon, that's how foolish people are...
peace

 

[Han Patriot]

The only thing that you need to remember is the destruction and misery Indian navy has inflicted upon you and people of karachi......rest all its non of your business.


Do you read? Every ship of Indian navy is commissioned with substitute systems, its not like our scorpene submarines are not carrying torpedoes, they are carrying torpedoes but not black shark HWT, and also Kamorta is carrying towed sonars and sensors but not the german ones, you get that? media will show you a bulb and say it is a moon, that's how foolish people are...
peace

1) Wasn't the scorpene designed to use Black Shark torpedoes, if you don't test that firing system, how can you called it commissioned? Commissioned means every single sub system intended to used for that vessel are tested. If that was the case, China can just say, hey we our ships can fire 1960s torpedoes but not our latest torpedoes but then it is commissioned?

2) The original towed sonar designed to be used with Kamorta was that German one, else tell me which other towed sonar were they supposed to use? Only Indians will boast and shout about a semi commissioned ship. Just like how you shout about semi-bullet train.

 

[Sully3]

The only thing that you need to remember is the destruction and misery Indian navy has inflicted upon you and people of karachi......rest all its non of your business.

lol what pain and destruction.

our boys go into 20 kms deep inside of india, chop your soldiers heads off an bring them back as war trophies, this is real pain and destruction that you indians take.

 

[Indian Jatt]

1) Wasn't the scorpene designed to use Black Shark torpedoes, if you don't test that firing system, how can you called it commissioned? Commissioned means every single sub system intended to used for that vessel are tested. If that was the case, China can just say, hey we our ships can fire 1960s torpedoes but not our latest torpedoes but then it is commissioned?

2) The original towed sonar designed to be used with Kamorta was that German one, else tell me which other towed sonar were they supposed to use? Only Indians will boast and shout about a semi commissioned ship. Just like how you shout about semi-bullet train.

I am just saying that our ships are not toothless....that's it.