Naval Market Forecast Newsletter Fleet Renewal in Full Swing

[animelive]

First of all, this is a speculation thread, made from the information gathered. No concrete proof is there for some of these.

As of mid-March 2013, AMI continues to receive information in regards to the Bangladeshi Navy (BN)
modernization efforts. These developments fulfill the requirements for a three dimensional naval force consisting of
air, surface and subsurface units that was announced by the Minister of Defense in 2009.
Continuing and new projects are as follows:


A. Type 056 Corvette: Source indicates that Wuchan Shipyard
in China began construction on the first two units on 08 January
2013. Additional units (at least two) will be built a Bangladesh's
Khulna Shipyard (KSY).

B. South Korean Corvette: Source indicates that that the BN
ordered two South Korean corvettes with delivery scheduled for
2013. These corvettes could be additional Ulsan I class frigates of
which one was built for the BN in 2000 or it could be a scaled
down version of the Incheon (FFX) class being built for the
Republic of Korea Navy (ROKN). A third possibility is that these vessels could be used Ulsan class frigates or
Pohang class corvettes that will be retiring from the ROKN over the next several years as the Incheon class begin
entering service. AMI is attempting to verify this information and will update this article as appropriate.

C. 64-Meter Fast Attack Craft (FAC): The first two 64-Meter FAC built at Wuchang Shipyard in China were
commissioned into the BN as the BNS Durjoy (P811) and BNS Nirmul (P812). Source indicates that six additional
units will be built in country at KSY. Information received on 17 September 2012 indicated that the BN increased
64-Meter FAC program from four hulls to eight. The first unit of the additional four hulls is expected to be ordered
by the end of 2013.

D. 50-Meter Patrol Boat: On 22 January 2013, the first 50-Meter patrol boat built at KSY, BNS Padma (P312),
was commissioned. AMI estimates that 24 additional units of the Chinese designed patrol vessel will be built at KSY
through the end of the decade.

E. Used Vessel Transactions: The BN is expected to take delivery of two used Chinese Type 053H2 frigates that
were offered in late 2012. These will supplement the BN's aging surface force until Type 056 corvettes are delivered.
The BN may also order the larger F22P frigates in the next decade following completion of the Type 056 program
and the 62-Meter FAC program.
Sources continue to state that the BN will procure diesel-electric attack submarines (SSK) from China. The latest
information suggests that up to US$1B has been provided for the program. AMI believes that two used Chinese Song
class SSKs could be the candidates for this program. Bangladesh is reportedly training submarine crews in Turkey.
Assuming that the US$1B funding figure is correct, this could entail the purchase of two used Song class followed
by two new construction submarines after 2020, possibly the Yuan class.

In mid-December 2012, the US announced that it would be
transferring the USCG Hamilton Class Heavy Endurance Cutter
(WHEC) Jarvis (WHEC-725) to the BN by late 2013.
Additionally, 16 Defender class patrol craft will also be
transferred to the Bangladesh Coast Guard (BCG).
There is no doubt that the BN's fleet renewal is in full swing and
when complete will be as advertised, three dimensional. With the
new force being primarily South Korean and Chinese, the BN has
been able to stretch its very limited funding resources in order to
maximize this effort. The renewal effort is more than likely as a result of the continuing naval modernization efforts
in the region, which includes Pakistan, India, Thailand and Myanmar.

 

[mb444]

If all these come to fruition it would be fantastic. I like the emphasis on building them in BD.

 

[kobiraaz]

what is AMI? not sure about the south korean deal, all other deals are verified and done deal.

 

[kalu_miah]

Unlike Army and Air forces, the Navy and coast guards are used everyday to keep our Maritime exclusive economic zone free from thieves who come with their trawlers to fish in our waters from many different nations. Every dollar spent in keeping this zone free from these thieves is returned 3 fold with a teeming area full of fishes and Bangladeshi fishing fleet selling this to Bangladesh and overseas market. Seafood can be a big potential source of revenue and food for Bangladesh.

 

[eastwatch]

In mid-December 2012, the US announced that it would be transferring the USCG Hamilton Class Heavy Endurance Cutter
(WHEC) Jarvis (WHEC-725) to the BN by late 2013.

Here is a report in the wiki. The Cutter indeed will be supplied to Bangladesh Navy by May this year and will be renovated in our local shipyard before being commissioned in October. People are weary about wiki. So, let us trust it until a modified information is received. However, I wonder what real purpose this Cutter will serve. Will the BN use this Cutter to make expeditions to the South Pole and raise the BD flag there? Note, its range is 16,000 miles.

USCGC Jarvis (WHEC-725) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

USCGC Jarvis (WHEC-725)
Career
Namesake: Captain David H. Jarvis, US Revenue Cutter Service
Builder: Avondale Shipyards
Laid down: 9 September 1970
Launched: 24 April 1971
Commissioned: 4 August 1972
Recommissioned: December 1992
Decommissioned: 2 October 2012
Homeport: Honolulu, Hawaii
Motto: Dedicare ad excellentia
(Dedicated to Excellence)
Fate: Alameda, CA, awaiting Transfer Under FAA
Status: Inactive
General characteristics
Displacement: 3,250 tons
Length: 378 ft (115 m)
Beam: 43 ft (13 m)
Draught: 15 ft (4.6 m)
Propulsion: CODOG:
2 × FM diesel engines
2 × PW gas turbines
Speed: 29 knots
Range: 16,000 miles
Endurance: 45 days
Complement: 178 personnel (21 officers and 157 enlisted)
Sensors and
processing systems: AN/SPS-40 air-search radar, MK 92 FCS
Armament: Otobreda 76 mm, Phalanx CIWS

USCGC Jarvis (WHEC-725) is a United States Coast Guard Hamilton-class high endurance cutter based out of Honolulu, Hawaii. Launched April 24, 1971 at Avondale Shipyard near New Orleans, Louisiana, she was commissioned August 4, 1972 in Honolulu. She received a $55 million FRAM upgrade at Todd Pacific Shipyards in Seattle, Washington between July 1990 and December 1992.[1]

The ship was named for David H. Jarvis, a hero of the United States Revenue Cutter Service. During the harsh winter of 1897-1898, Lieutenant Jarvis of the US Revenue Cutter Bear led the Overland Relief Expedition to bring needed food to 265 whalers whose ships had been stranded in the ice off the northern coast of Alaska.[2]

Jarvis completed her final cruise in late September 2012, and was removed from active service the following week. Admiral Cecil D. Haney (Cmdr US Pacific Fleet) said that the Jarvis is scheduled to be transferred to Bangladesh in mid 2013.[3] A team of US Coast Guard personnel visited Bangladesh in February 2013 for a definitization meeting. The first group of Bangladesh Navy personnel, consisting of 7 officers and 13 sailors, left Bangladesh in February and will start training onboard Jarvis starting on March 13, 2013. It is expected that the cutter will be transferred to Bangladesh on May 22 and, and after renovation, she will be commmissioned into the Bangladesh Navy on October 11 2013.

 

[BDforever]

According to all info , this year Bangladesh Navy will get 5 frigates

what is AMI? not sure about the south korean deal, all other deals are verified and done deal.

AMI is very reliable source
check it out http://www.amiinter.com/

 

[animelive]

Here is a report in the wiki. The Cutter indeed will be supplied to Bangladesh Navy by May this year and will be renovated in our local shipyard before being commissioned in October. People are weary about wiki. So, let us trust it until a modified information is received. However, I wonder what real purpose this Cutter will serve. Will the BN use this Cutter to make expeditions to the South Pole and raise the BD flag there? Note, its range is 16,000 miles.

Yes i think a US commander said that about the cutter back a few months ago i think. And well won't you just love having a frigate like that? and its about time we go for 3000+ ton frigates Indian corvettes are bigger than our frigates.

 

[Banglar Lathial]

Somebody claimed

Indian corvettes are bigger than our frigates

Can he inform the members here which of our frigates is 'smaller' than their Tarantul I class at 56 m length, displacing 455 tons, and a beam of 10 metres?

Even their Khukri, Kora other tongue twisters of combat capable corvette classes dont displace more than 2000 tons and not longer than 100m .


And also, displacement alone can not tell you much about warfighting capability for the designated role of a warship. Otherwise, Japan would be using a ULCC like Knock Nevis for its 500,000+ tons of displacement.

As an analogy, it's like measuring the combat capability of your students by measuring their height and/or weight. Sure, older students may weigh more and be taller than younger students, on average, upto a certain age, but once you mature, your height and weight tend to stabilize somewhat, and these proxy indicators by themselves will fail to reveal the true combat capabilities of mature students.

You can say that 50 students aged 16 years have more combat capability than 50 students of age 7 years, and use the average height and weight of these two groups of students to present a 'quantitative' measure in support of your argument.

But if you use the same height and weight measurement to justify combat capabilities of 50 students aged 24 years and 50 students aged 26 years, then the method will be insufficient for predicting combat capability accurately.

 

[animelive]

Somebody claimed


Can he inform the members here which of our frigates is 'smaller' than their Tarantul I class at 56 m length, displacing 455 tons, and a beam of 10 metres?

Even their Khukri, Kora other tongue twisters of combat capable corvette classes dont displace more than 2000 tons and not longer than 100m .

Sure
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...w-corvette-ins-kiltan-launched-kolkata-d.html

And also, displacement alone can not tell you much about warfighting capability for the designated role of a warship. Otherwise, Japan would be using a ULCC like Knock Nevis for its 500,000+ tons of displacement.

You and I both know that there is nothing more stupid than that, but ships should have a standard displacement. Anyway, do look at the displacement of Japanese smaller destroyers(Frigate)

As an analogy, it's like measuring the combat capability of your students by measuring their height and/or weight. Sure, older students may weigh more and be taller than younger students, on average, upto a certain age, but once you mature, your height and weight tend to stabilize somewhat, and these proxy indicators by themselves will fail to reveal the true combat capabilities of mature students.

No it is not.

You can say that 50 students aged 16 years have more combat capability than 50 students of age 7 years, and use the average height and weight of these two groups of students to present a 'quantitative' measure in support of your argument.

We are not talking about children here, more weight/height means more place to install weapons which gives more teeth to the ship.

But if you use the same height and weight measurement to justify combat capabilities of 50 students aged 24 years and 50 students aged 26 years, then the method will be insufficient for predicting combat capability accurately.

Nope, more height weight = more strength capability + ability to have more muscles
As long as they don't go to obesity ofcourse.

 

[BDforever]

@animelive
1. what if some one uses light weight steels which may have same strength to take heavy load ?
2. science says light weight things swim better than heavy weight things.

 

[animelive]

@animelive
1. what if some one uses light weight steels which may have same strength to take heavy load ?
2. science says light weight things swim better than heavy weight things.

I was speaking about the overall size, not just weight. And regardless, the countries which make ships probably use the lightest possible material anyway.

 

[asad71]

The lead report appears correct. But BN is looking for much more, including a pair of subs.

 

[animelive]

The lead report appears correct. But BN is looking for much more, including a pair of subs.

But it does speak about the subs

 

[eastwatch]

A. Type 056 Corvette: Source indicates that Wuchan Shipyard in China began construction on the first two units on 08 January
2013. Additional units (at least two) will be built a Bangladesh's Khulna Shipyard (KSY).

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangla...r-fleet-renewal-full-swing.html#ixzz2OwH27rur

The lead report above says BN will purchase two type 056 from China, but will then build at least two more in the KSY. Only a few weeks ago, when BN built its own 50m Patrol Boats we had been dreaming of a day when BD would build its own FAC, LPCs-missile, Frigates in its own shipyards. Now, the dream is coming true rather too fast, it will build its own 056 Corvettes. I believe, the Chinese have found our people in KSY to be good students who are capable to learn from them.

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

A. Type 056 Corvette: Source indicates that Wuchan Shipyard in China began construction on the first two units on 08 January
2013. Additional units (at least two) will be built a Bangladesh's Khulna Shipyard (KSY).

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/bangla...r-fleet-renewal-full-swing.html#ixzz2OwH27rur

The lead report above says BN will purchase two type 056 from China, but will then build at least two more in the KSY. Only a few weeks ago, when BN built its own 50m Patrol Boats we had been dreaming of a day when BD would build its own FAC, LPCs-missile, Frigates in its own shipyards. Now, the dream is coming true rather too fast, it will build its own 056 Corvettes. I believe, the Chinese have found our people in KSY to be good students who are capable to learn from them.

After we make type 056 semi-stealth corvette with help of china, we can make our own stealth warships in future. We must have to establish a state owned Defence Industry to make our military strong 100% self-sufficient.