Nation to mark Kashmir Solidarity Day today: February 5th

[Nihat]

just thinkin that india will never give up kashmir, we are not gonna back out and stop supportin kashmiris. however if kashmiris decide that on their own that now they should move on and accept the situation then we have no problem.

Fair enough.

For Kashmir to be resolved , both countries have to be on "friendly terms" , to say that first resolve Kashmir and then be friends is to put the cart ahead of the horse.

 

[duhastmish]

Sir,

Its great that pakistan is there to help kashmiri people, i apperitiate this help, if they give such neutral help without their own benefits.
But on the opposite its hurting pakistan , Pakistan got engaged in Taliban and no its suffering there and same in Kashmir its suffering..... not to deny India is also suffering here because of Kashmir issue.I think the only way to fight against such issue is first gain some power in your hand. india and pakistan should both look for development instead of war.
may be then one day we see solution to kashmir because with this - finger pointing nobody is helping kashmir.

 

[ajpirzada]

Fair enough.

For Kashmir to be resolved , both countries have to be on "friendly terms" , to say that first resolve Kashmir and then be friends is to put the cart ahead of the horse.

that is where the difference comes in. we say lets get rid of all our disputes so that we could come closer but u guys say lets come closer first and then we will think about our disputes. how can we ever come closer when we have got border disputes on which we have already fought 2 wars (1948 and 1965). this time our FM was in india to sign FTA (source: my father works in finance ministry) for which india has been insisting over last many yrs. but then some problem makers carried out mumbai attacks and now once again we are back to where we started from. there are many solutions for kashmir problem. many of them could also be win win for all three parties. the only thing missing is intention which means we will carry on fightin untill one of us stops existing anymore.

 

[Nihat]

that is where the difference comes in. we say lets get rid of all our disputes so that we could come closer but u guys say lets come closer first and then we will think about our disputes. how can we ever come closer when we have got border disputes on which we have already fought 2 wars (1948 and 1965). this time our FM was in india to sign FTA (source: my father works in finance ministry) for which india has been insisting over last many yrs. but then some problem makers carried out mumbai attacks and now once again we are back to where we started from. there are many solutions for kashmir problem. many of them could also be win win for all three parties. the only thing missing is intention which means we will carry on fightin untill one of us stops existing anymore.

true.

mumbai attacks have put everything on the back burner for a significant period of time now , just as these attacks took place - talks were on going on certain issues such as Sir Creek and to be followed by Siachin and many more such issues leading up to the ultimate one i.e. Kashmir.

All we can do now is hope that no more terror attacks or infiltration happens , to supplement the recent decline of militancy in Kashmir - who knows , we might be able to get back to the table again, soon

 

[dabong1]

Fair enough.

For Kashmir to be resolved , both countries have to be on "friendly terms" , to say that first resolve Kashmir and then be friends is to put the cart ahead of the horse.

How can you "friendly terms" if the core issue is not resolved.......its been over 60 years but still nothing.

 

[dabong1]

true.

mumbai attacks have put everything on the back burner for a significant period of time now , just as these attacks took place - talks were on going on certain issues such as Sir Creek and to be followed by Siachin and many more such issues leading up to the ultimate one i.e. Kashmir.

This is where we differ and why there can never be real peace with india until kashmir is solved first.
Sir Creek and Siachin are secondary issues that are not major problems that will lead to war.....theres no Sir Creek freedom struggle that can cauce problems between the two nations.

All we can do now is hope that no more terror attacks or infiltration happens , to supplement the recent decline of militancy in Kashmir - who knows , we might be able to get back to the table again, soon

For the last so many years pakistan has made a serious effort to stop cross LoC movement which even the indians agree had happened,that was what you wanted before we could talk about kashmir but now you want to talk about every other issue but kashmir.......we stopped movement across the LoC ,now you want all pro kashmiri groups to be banned then you will want pakistan never to bring up kashmir....its never ending with india ending up with LoC as the border.

 

[dabong1]

Unholy solidarity...
One billion Indians should start showing solidarity with poor,opressed ,Baluchistan people..

And the pakistanis should show total solidarity with the poor and oppressed of khalistan,Arunachal Pradesh, Assam, Meghalaya, Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland,Tripura and Bengal.

 

[TheLord]

once again balochistan is not a disputed territory

The Indian, Pakistani and British leadership agreed upon the use of a plebiscite to resolve accessions of states that were disputed. This occurred in Junagadh and Hyderabad, and was specifically accepted in the case of Kashmir as well, and teh Indian leadership made clear statements that they woudl respect that agreement.

Then came the UNSC resolutions - the GoI agreed with and accepted the UNSC determination that Kashmir was disputed territory, and that a referendum in Kashmir was the means to resolve the issue. None of this applies to Baluchistan - Balochistan is not disputed territory. To bring Balochistan into this discussion is like bringing Tamil Nadu and Kerala into the discussion, and if you were even half-informed you would realize that.

Therefore both your arguments are invalid - India does indeed have an obligation to conduct a plebiscite, and there is no comparison with Baluchistan.

Again, if the living conditions in India and IK were really that much better than Pakistan and PK, the choice for the Kashmiris would be easy.

The "Right for self determination" is not limited to only disputed regions nor the UNSC resolutions. If you people are so fond of the people's "Right for self determination", then you are free to have a plebiscite in your country.

Plebiscite on Kashmir? You can dream about it. We took it to the UN and now say that we wont do it. Thats it.

 

[TheLord]

that India considers immoral and illegal actions shamelessly acceptable, and many Indians here shamelessly accept that it is illegal and immoral - hence why I have n qualms about calling India comparable to a thief. After all a thief shamelessly resorts to stealing, and justifies it as being in his benefit.

If there is a thief regarding the Kashmir issue, then it is Pakistan and not India. Kashmir was independent and you invaded it first. Pakistan is the aggressor here and not India. If you people have so much interest in the Kashmiris independence, then why did you invaded it first.

We were there to rescue the Kashmiris from the Pakistani aggression.

 

[ajpirzada]

The "Right for self determination" is not limited to only disputed regions nor the UNSC resolutions. If you people are so fond of the people's "Right for self determination", then you are free to have a plebiscite in your country.

Plebiscite on Kashmir? You can dream about it. We took it to the UN and now say that we wont do it. Thats it.

that sums everything up. next time dont refer to any UN resolution which asks pakistan to do XYZ....

 

[ajpirzada]

If there is a thief regarding the Kashmir issue, then it is Pakistan and not India. Kashmir was independent and you invaded it first. Pakistan is the aggressor here and not India. If you people have so much interest in the Kashmiris independence, then why did you invaded it first.

We were there to rescue the Kashmiris from the Pakistani aggression.

is that the reason y u still lik killin them......

 

[TheLord]

that sums everything up. next time dont refer to any UN resolution which asks pakistan to do XYZ....

Kashmir resolution is totally different and non binding. We voluntarily took it to the UN and so we refuse it to obey now.

The resolutions on Pakistan are forced on it due the reason that the issues are threatening the world.

is that the reason y u still lik killin them......

There is no compulsion to answer to your imaginations.

 

[dabong1]

If there is a thief regarding the Kashmir issue, then it is Pakistan and not India. Kashmir was independent and you invaded it first. Pakistan is the aggressor here and not India. If you people have so much interest in the Kashmiris independence, then why did you invaded it first.

We were there to rescue the Kashmiris from the Pakistani aggression.

If you came to the rescue of the kashmiris then would they not vote to join india under a UN vote?

 

[dabong1]

The "Right for self determination" is not limited to only disputed regions nor the UNSC resolutions. If you people are so fond of the people's "Right for self determination",.

I agree lets start with khalistan,Arunachal Pradesh, Assam, Meghalaya, Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland,Tripura and Bengal first.

Plebiscite on Kashmir? You can dream about it. We took it to the UN and now say that we wont do it. Thats it.

We said we will stop cross border movement and now we say that we wont do it. Thats it.

Jiahd for peace jihad for kashmir its the only way

 

[Omar1984]

If you came to the rescue of the kashmiris then would they not vote to join india under a UN vote?

These Indians forgot, or pretend to forget, that Nehru himself promised Kashmiris a plebiscite in 1948 and he himself admitted that Kashmir was a disputed region.