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And again you've drawn the wrong conclusion.

Support of the people? The people must have been very supportive when the Germans were sweeping through France. Local support can aide it can't bring you victory- we are not talking of COIN ops here.

Numbers don't equal tactics. Ghaznawi showed far reaching knowledge of warfare for his times- very akin to the Mongols just as Babur fought and won with a pitiful force against the behemoth that marched with Lodi. Incorrect attribution in this regard will get you no where- the "magic bullets" were high mobility- imparting the ability to outflank the enemy and engage their vulnerable flank and add matchlocks in Babur's case which brought in mobile gunpowder assisted firepower against an opponent used to set piece battles- the same reason the blitzkrieg addled the French who had set up redoubt after redoubt which should have kept the damn Prussians out.

The Great patriotic war was not won by a weak opponent, Russia had always been stronger- its logistics unlike that of the of the German army were intact- something that the 6th army found out the hard way. Stalin fought a primarily rear guard action while pulling back essential industries- literally dismantled hundreds of factories and transported them (an unimaginable feat) and then deployed perhaps the best tank known to man as the war progressed (contrary to popular belief the juggernaut that the Tiger tanks were were useless in the war effort for a reason). Stalin won as did the allies because they outproduced and out maneuvered an enemy who despite all his bluster never stood a chance beyond Britain. You need to revisit your military history.

Vlad's preemptive move does not represent valor on his part OR cowardice on the part of his opponent, it represents tenacity, pro-active strategy and psychological warfare. While Mehemmed didn't "lose" his balls, read up on the history and what was going on just north of Vlad's little kill fest and who had commissioned him and supported him in the first place- why no logistical lines could be stretched into the region. Otherwise Mehemmed would have steam rolled Vlad.
first of babur and ghaznavi were two very different things .......... and yes the local population was being crushed between the brahmans and rajputs and was not able to resist .... the soldiers were in no mood to fight ghaznavi for their rajas and mehmood knew all this. why else do you think that a large part of local population converted to islam. most of the time the rajas surrendered without a fight. on one account a raja with 100,000 army just ran away without facing sultan's 20000 army.

You saying that russia was stronger than the warsaw allies is a long argument so lets just leave it there.


I'm not say that vlad tactics represent. what im saying is that the sultan snd his army was too horrified to pursue further when they saw 20,000 turks impaled. and no, at the time vlad was not being supported by the hungarian ruler !!! :disagree:
 
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aaja tu bhi ... aaj in yindo's ki band bajaen :D !!!

@Dillinger @Ayush

did you guys know that Hindus are the only nation in the world who never conquered any foreign land in their history ...... even when they had plenty of resources. jis ka bhi dil chaha us nai tum logo ki aisi ki tesi kar di :P !!!

Its ironic isn't it?

Even more so when you consider that it was India which added a new nation to the UN general assembly while all the Ghazis watched.

History is to be learnt and the now to be lived sahib warna I might as well start dreaming of a Bihari marrying a Greek princess.:D
 
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than why are you not banned yet? you were nuking that place down to core few days ago

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Its ironic isn't it?

Even more so when you consider that it was India which added a new nation to the UN general assembly while all the Ghazis watched.
beta i'm talking about conquering a country and adding it to ur map not to the UN general assembly. :rolleyes:
 
first of babur and ghaznavi were two very different things .......... and yes the local population was being crushed between the brahmans and rajputs and was not able to resist .... the soldiers were in no mood to fight ghaznavi for their rajas and mehmood knew all this. why else do you think that a large part of local population converted to islam. most of the time the rajas surrendered without a fight. on one account a raja with 100,000 army just ran away without facing sultan's 20000 army.

You saying that russia was stronger than the warsaw allies is a long argument so lets just leave it there.


I'm not say that vlad tactics represent. what im saying is that the sultan snd his army was too horrified to pursue further when they saw 20,000 turks impaled. and no, at the time vlad was not being supported by the hungarian ruler !!! :disagree:

Russia stronger than warsaw allies? Meri jaan the warsaw pact took place after Hitler had bought it. Nothing to do with the great patriotic war.

And no it matters, a mobile army that can outflank a stationary and cumbersome larger force wins 9 out of 10 times. The local populace didn't convert to Islam in a day or a week or even a year had nothing to do with the kings fighting each other whether Hindu or Muslim.

Surrenders are political decisions, taken when outmatched by an enemy- the numbers have never mattered (a nuance explained further down). This is the problem with trying to read in to tactics and strategy and establishing coherency. The same reason people compare platforms today and harp about everything from which radar to use to which plane to shoot.

Loss of morale and initiative does not equal lack of valor, Mehmmed faced the former. The Pakistani soldiers who fought on the peaks of Kargil had lost morale and initiative a long time back- the divisional strength of the IA had flooded the valley and cut off any MSR or possibility of a fighting retreat. The loss of initiative thus came out as a cessation in pro-active fire assaults on approaching companies towards the end BUT the soldiers never stopped fighting when they came face to face. A certain Nishan-e-Haidar was found to be clutching his weapon in death- his fingers had frozen around the trigger- that is valor- the lack of which should not to be confused with loss of command initiative and resultant desertions. If you cannot distinguish between the two then you will keep drawing up conclusions which are fallacious. IF you wish to learn about the psychology of warfare then I suggest you start with Grossman's "On Killing", should remove some of your misconceptions.
 
Guys i thought there will be a party at midnight and we'll be spraying champagne all over but someone told me there was just one bottle and @Hyperion used it all over our Empress. :happy:


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Hopefully you guys will (have to) feel content with the Lassi at morning hours now.
 
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beta i'm talking about conquering a country and adding it to ur map not to the UN general assembly. :rolleyes:

Why should we add anyone to our map, for what joy when all the wealth one could EVER need is right here- no matter whatever happened India has only grown and kept growing prosperous no matter how many times the paradigm changed. With such unlimited mercantile potential why should we go anywhere? Or why add something to our map, for what joy- conquest? What shall we loot from the lands that surround us- THERE IS NOTHING THERE TO LOOT ANYWAY.:disagree:
 
Why should we add anyone to our map, for what joy when all the wealth one could EVER need is right here- no matter whatever happened India has only grown and kept growing prosperous no matter how many times the paradigm changed. With such unlimited mercantile potential why should we go anywhere? Or why add something to our map, for what joy- conquest? What shall we loot from the lands that surround us- THERE IS NOTHING THERE TO LOOT ANYWAY.:disagree:

That is why the Gazwa is coming to India but not to loot you guys, nay rather we will clean up the hellhole that is Delhi and make it safe for woman again. :D
 
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