Nasrallah: Saudi Arabia forgets Israel is the enemy

[بلندر]

Iran occupies Ahwaz and emirati Islands. that's a much larger area than what Israel is occupying, so by numbers alone, Iran is our number 1 enemy and we don't consider someone who worships Ali/Hussain as Muslims btw and we don't consider people who swear allegiance to a foreigner (Ayatollah or w/e) as our countrymen or nationals. So yeah, Iran is worse than Israel, and Twelvers are more kafir than Jews as far as I am concerned.

Nasrullah has got more Muslim blood on his hands than the whole chain of Israeli presidents, generals.

just look at ottoman empire border in her last 200 years and then read the name of country in east of her border and then you will see how valid your argument is ...

as I though , soon you sunni will declare yourself as Allah because these days you think Allah should choose his Muslim according of your sectarian mind ...

and for your knowledge , 99% of Khuzestani Arabs are Twelvers and even in your post , you say how you watch them ...

 

[CHI RULES]

My friends it is a tough time for whole Islamic Umma either Shia or Sunni all shall face consequences. Please don't forget ur manners and abuse leaders of both sides
Israelis are happy to see destruction of Muslim Powers whether it is Hizbollah or KSA/Iran.
We should n't forget our history inthe past Muslims have lost many strongholds due to infighting like Spain.

 

[بلندر]

My friends it is a tough time for whole Islamic Umma either Shia or Sunni all shall face consequences. Please don't forget ur manners and abuse leaders of both sides
Israelis are happy to see destruction of Muslim Powers whether it is Hizbollah or KSA/Iran.
We should n't forget our history inthe past Muslims have lost many strongholds due to infighting like Spain.

there is no point of show any respect to extremist sunni while they wish us dead ....
and there is no Ummah with this level of hatred between us ...

 

[CHI RULES]

People like u spread hate for other sects and then blame KSA to be friend with Israel and USA. It is responsibility of every Muslim to create harmony between different sects. If KSA is not safe than Iran shall also face instability

I hope u r all well educated people belonging to noble families show some respect to other Muslims

 

[بلندر]

People like u spread hate for other sects and then blame KSA to be friend with Israel and USA. It is responsibility of every Muslim to create harmony between different sects. If KSA is not safe than Iran shall also face instability

I hope u r all well educated people belonging to noble families show some respect to other Muslims

when was this coalition army when ISIS was in killing spree in Iraq ... oh well , they were like " Shiia are killing innocent sunni " , " innocent sunni revolution against Shiia " ... no sunni country condemn them and no one tried to stop them ....

there is good words but you don't believe it in bottom of your heart ...

 

[500]

What does it imply? Elie Hobeika was a Lebanese MP and minister for several years .. is it odd two political figure meet each other in israel?

Thats another good question. How could this butcher of the Palestinians became a minister in Assad/Hezbollah controlled Lebanon?

That shows a lot how Iran aka Assad aka Hezbollah really care about the Palestinians.

And they also butchered them by themselves too:

 

[CHI RULES]

Every one condemned ISIS in same way as the condemned the other rogue elements in Iraq. It is a question of whole Muslim world , Pakistan has done enough to stop sectarian violence in the country but in new situation consequences will be faced by ordinary Pakistanis. So far people like me mostly condemned what ever happened in Syria against Asad's Govt however it do not justify what is happening in Yemen.
Both sides should rethink in broader spectrum if they have brains

 

[Finer]

ME is in the mess not because of USA/Israel, rather due to Saudi Arabia and Iran. Given the sectarian war promoted by Saudi Arabia and Iran in ME, it is imperative that the main source of terrorism fueled by sectarian war's policy should be negated to bring peace in ME. As long as Saudi Arabia and Iran exist, ME will cease to exist unfortunately.

 

[raptor22]

Thats another good question. How could this butcher of the Palestinians became a minister in Assad/Hezbollah controlled Lebanon?

That shows a lot how Iran aka Assad aka Hezbollah really care about the Palestinians.

And they also butchered them by themselves too:

Mr 5-hundreds, the photo was taken back 1980 while the massacre took place in 1982 so he wasn't guilty back then ....
And why he was in power despite the fact that he was a criminal could be this "Letting bygones be bygones" :

After the war, Mr. Hobeika benefited from a 1991 general amnesty for all those involved in the fighting.​

And this happened as a result of the "Taif Agreement" (The agreement, which ended the civil war in Lebanon, was negotiated in Ta'if, Saudi Arabia, in September 1989 and approved by the Lebanese parliament on 4 November 1989.) to put an end to long Lebanese civil war.

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You always like to look at the story as if you are innocent, whatever he did he did on your command:

"...Hobeika claimed that there were 2,000 Palestinian terrorists hiding in the Sabra and Chatila camps. When given the green light by Israel, whose defence minister was then Ariel Sharon, to enter the camps, the Phalangist militiamen slaughtered more than 1,000 men, women and children...."

"....On September 14 1982, Lebanon's president Bachir Gemayael was killed by an explosion at the Phalangist party headquarters. On the following day, the Israeli army occupied West Beirut. On September 16, the Israelis held a meting with Phalangist officers at which they agreed to allow Phalangist militiamen to hunt out terrorists in the Sabra and Chatila camps. A second meeting was attended by Hobeika. It was agreed that he would be in charge of the operation. The massacre began that night.

On the following day, Israel's General Drori ordered the militiamen to stop the operation, but, after a further meeting with the Phalangists, the Israelis agreed to allow them to remain until the following day.

The Phalangists rampaged until Saturday morning, killing and raping indiscriminately. On that day, Morris Draper, one of President Reagan's envoys, sent a message to Sharon, saying: "You must stop the massacres. They are obscene. I have an officer in the camp counting the bodies. You ought to be ashamed. The situation is rotten and terrible. They are killing childen. You are in absolute control of the area, and therefore responsible for the area."
The Guardian

"...Mr. Hobeika, 45, was the intelligence chief of the pro-Israel Lebanese Forces militia that was held responsible for the slayings of hundreds of men, women and children in the Palestinian refugee camps in September 1982. An Israeli commission of inquiry found that Mr. Sharon, then the defense minister and architect of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, was among those who bore ''indirect responsibility'' for the massacre...."
The New York Times

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ME is in the mess not because of USA/Israel, rather due to Saudi Arabia and Iran. Given the sectarian war promoted by Saudi Arabia and Iran in ME, it is imperative that the main source of terrorism fueled by sectarian war's policy should be negated to bring peace in ME. As long as Saudi Arabia and Iran exist, ME will cease to exist unfortunately.

And who was behind founding Jehadist in Afghanistan?

 

[Finer]

@raptor22

I guess you are not familiar with the history of 80's. CIA created and funded Afghan Mujahideen [title gave by USA itself] to resist USSR in Afghanistan, invading army and Pakistan provided manpower and logistical support. Credit goes to USA/Pakistan for successfully resisted against USSR, an invading army.

I think everyone have every rights to defend their own homeland against invading army. They didn't cause sectarian war unlike Arabians-Persians who fueled sectarian wars in the entire ME and made the mess. Ironically, those nations responsible for sectarian wars are enjoying as nations with peace.

 

[Solomon2]

@raptor22

I guess you are not familiar with the history of 80's. CIA created and funded Afghan Mujahideen [title gave by USA itself] to resist USSR in Afghanistan, invading army and Pakistan provided manpower and logistical support. Credit goes to USA/Pakistan for successfully resisted against USSR, an invading army.

That's the standard story. Much more accurate would be to point out that the afghan insurgency was begun by Z.A. Bhutto and continued by Zia. That helped drag the Russians in. After that the CIA and Arabs turned on the money spigots - but it was Pakistani leaders who did almost all of the directing, especially destroying the post-occupation government and Kabul and creating and the Taliban.
I figure it'll be another thirty years before this is taught in Pakistani schools which is bad because the Afghans know and resent Pakistan for its "strategic rear area" project.

...those who bore ''indirect responsibility'' for the massacre...."

what did that mean? It meant that Sharon should have known that their allies, the Christian militia, didn't follow the same ethics as his Jewish army: as in the Crusades, once presented with the opportunity, angry, offended Christians would not resist the temptation to slaughter their enemies, for they could ask God for forgiveness either before or afterward. Those Muslims who survived not only blamed Israel but testified in the same breath they were alive because they ran to startled IDF units for protection.

 

[Finer]

That's the standard story. Much more accurate would be to point out that the afghan insurgency was begun by Z.A. Bhutto and continued by Zia. That helped drag the Russians in. After that the CIA and Arabs turned on the money spigots - but it was Pakistani leaders who did almost all of the directing, especially destroying the post-occupation government and Kabul and creating and the Taliban.
I figure it'll be another thirty years before this is taught in Pakistani schools which is bad because the Afghans know and resent Pakistan for its "strategic rear area" project.

But CIA inspired that product, in fact created that product which later backfired on USA. USSR did dissolve eventually, and again, the credit goes to USA. What Zia did is provide manpower and logistical support in the battle against USSR.

After USSR dissolved, that inspired product later used as weapon to resist anti-Pakistani element occupied by official positions in Afghanistan, and to protect the interest of Pakistan which any nations do and Pakistan was within its right to protect its interest. After all, Pakistan housed more than 1 million refugees in official record while more than 2 million refugees in unofficial record.

Both Pakistan and USA didn't anticipate this part where both nations will be fighting Afghan Taliban, inspired by the model of Afghan Mujahideen - created and funded by CIA. Call it lack foresight or fate, but both Pakistan and USA shouldn't regret because working together did come out one good thing; war against USSR.

USSR being dissolved was the best thing for Afghanistan and Pakistan and for the world as attested by USA.

Besides, USA shouldn't have to worry about Afghan Taliban since USA will be leaving in this year or next. After that, Afghan Taliban will be headache/problem for Pakistan to deal with.

 

[raptor22]

@raptor22

I guess you are not familiar with the history of 80's. CIA created and funded Afghan Mujahideen [title gave by USA itself] to resist USSR in Afghanistan, invading army and Pakistan provided manpower and logistical support. Credit goes to USA/Pakistan for successfully resisted against USSR, an invading army.

I think everyone have every rights to defend their own homeland against invading army. They didn't cause sectarian war unlike Arabians-Persians who fueled sectarian wars in the entire ME and made the mess. Ironically, those nations responsible for sectarian wars are enjoying as nations with peace.

Exactly... those who turned to AQ later on .... and why? and who is supporting moderate rebels right now in the region?

It's not Iran who add fuel to the flame of the sectarian war actually as my friend @Daneshmand stated in the other thread on the same topic:

1:

In Pakistan tens of thousands of people have been killed by this same ideology. And Pakistani government is not a Shia government or its army is not "Maliki army" under the "control" of Iran.

In Tunisia, the same ideology kills people. Tunisian government is not under "control" of Iran.

In Egypt the same ideology is active. Iran has no presence in Egypt.

In Afghanistan the same ideology is active and kills people

In Indonesia, the most populous Sunni country, the same ideology kills people. Indonesian government is not under the "control" of Iran.​

In Nigeria the same ideology is active and kills people

In Somalia the same ideology is active and kills people
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2:

"...This is a fight between two groups among Sunnis. The extremists and the puppets (you can call them seculars/nationalists). The extremists draw their power and legitimacy from a radicalized society whose ideology is based on crude and raw interpretation of religion. The puppets draw their power and legitimacy from outside their society, mostly from their military in addition to alliance with foreign countries and international law.

The reason for situation having become this way, is the lack of a political ideology among Sunnis. What do they want? What are their goals in life? How they are going to get it? Who are their leaders? They have no answer to these questions. Both the puppets and the extremists.

It is an intra-civilizational fight among Sunnis. Shias are just easy targets that both these groups can agree on. Apart from this, they have no commonality between themselves.

At its core, it is not a Shia-Sunni war. It is a Sunni-Sunni war. The Sunni world has failed to come up with its own political ideology relevant to modern times. So they have been left with only two options. Either embrace TTP/Isis type of ideology. Or live as a puppet under puppet governments for puppet purposes with no real political roots or goals.

Iran and the Shias were lucky to have had some one like Ayatollah Khomeini who created a modern political interpretation for them, so that they do not need to choose between only these two options of extremism and puppetry. They have their own interpretation of religion from which they can derive political solutions. Otherwise, Shias would not have been immune to what is happening among Sunnis..."

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@Solomon2 why is this happening?

 

[GBU-28]

Looks like a bit of desperation from Nasrallah. The attempt to bring Israel into discussion is such an over-used card, that most Arabs have stopped falling for it. They know that it's just Mullah talk and distraction.

Iran is expanding its borders by using proxies to do their bidding. Israel is tiny and has shrunk further and further since 1967 with giving Sinai back to Egypt, Southern Lebanon back, Gaza back and parts of the W.B.

 

[Solomon2]

But CIA inspired that product, in fact created -

It's like I didn't write anything. Full denial mode here.