NAB laid down condition for Nawaz Travel to the UK

[Shane]

To the discussion of whether Govt. can ask for security bond or not & its legalities, truth be said, its actually questionable to allow a criminal convict to go outside Pakistan in first place, not to mention that sending him outside of Pakistan court and law jurisdiction will in itself be like another added issue.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1194226770087686145

So if these condition actually puts a stop on convict being able to go out of Pakistan, then imo Govt. isn't really committing some illegal crime even if putting condition itself is under question. The question will arise if Nawaz does go and then challenge the condition. Then courts will decide. But it will lessen any political damage to Govt. though in such case. Currently everyone just wants to put in on Govt & IK. And still despite so much of concession then go on and use it for narrative building. Its like head i win, tail you lose.
For now the Govt. imo has played smartly & refused to play in the hands of all who want the task done but also have clean hands.

But you missed one thing.
Govt. has set this as a security/indemnity bond. The jurmana imposed by court will be returned by the govt. back to Nawaz Sharif once he is back..The govts outside see into nitty gritties and they will see this isnt really an admission when the crook is getting the fine back
Is this a joke?
I hope the court strikes down this illegal deal asap before he flies out.

1. if the courts strike it down then the government said that "zimaydari" for gongla's life is now on the court, not the government.
2. once the government gets the security bonds, it can just forward it to the courts as well and say here's all the jurmana you imposed on the gonglas. if the courts return it to gongla when gongla is back (if he is back, highly doubt it) then that TOO will be on the courts.

See how Imran Khan has check mated a corrupt judiciary?

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To me, the real proponent of this proposal of surety bond or indemnity bond to be precise, who advised IK to adopt this approach to counter PMLN propaganda and expose their narrative, was Babar Awan.

So I looked for specific explanation from the very guy who proposed this line of approach towards Nawaz Sharif going abroad and the rest of the Government law team then worked out legal pros and cons etc.

While most law experts are saying that Government cannot impose indemnity bond condition, Babar Awan quotes the exact law that provides such condition its legal grounds.

If the following is the letter of the law and correct interpretation by Baber Awan then all the media persons and legal experts crying and shouting that this demand of indemnity from Nawaz Sharif is illegal, stand exposed yet again for siding with Nawaz and trying to make a fool out of people on Sharif's behalf - not that it would make any difference to the shameless khotapatwari lot.

Watch and decide.

 

[GumNaam]

why was there no security, maturity, austerity,whtever bond for camanndo mushi...

ask the gongla league.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

1. if the courts strike it down then the government said that "zimaydari" for gongla's life is now on the court, not the government.
2. once the government gets the security bonds, it can just forward it to the courts as well and say here's all the jurmana you imposed on the gonglas. if the courts return it to gongla when gongla is back (if he is back, highly doubt it) then that TOO will be on the courts.

WImran Khan has check mated a corrupt judiciary?

Why would I want to save ik at the cost of courts. This whole "getting responsibility of someones natural death" is a flawed argument. State let alone judiciary cant guarantee anyone's life. Btw he is not going outside for treatment but diagnosis.. big difference... If Nawaz dies today its the lack of health Infrastructure in the country to be blamed. Pti doesn't need to worry if Nawaz dies. The whole thing has been cleverly extrapolated.but looks like its more than that .pti ministers are saving their future with Nawaz if pti loses 2023 elections.. if Pakistani politics has to stay that way where anyone can use such an excuse to escape imprisonment then a precedent will be set which would be devastating for the state. I'm sure this permission will be striked down.. cj should take a Suo Moto here.. if he doesn't he is equally responsible.

 

[Shane]

Let us see what NarcoLeague doesn't tomorrow... if they go to court and get the NOC then IHC gets so exposed that only a public suicide can restore their honour...

Isb High Court CJ already stands known for writing 41 page verdict on appeal in Nawaz Case which was pointed out as unheard of before, by no less than the CJ Supreme Court of Pakistan. That should have been enough of a dressing down by SCP yet here we are, still looking to fire pot shots against ministers for Sharifs in hopes of facilitating the convicts however and where ever possible.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Yeah... I watched the Vlog and also of today... one wise voice in otherwise not so wise cabinet...

Anyhow, what stand exposed is the nexus of CriminalEnterprise which cann't be complete without the Liars/Lawyers... or NooraJudges ...

Fact remains.. Noora is NOT Dying... GoP is just making sure that it remains clean... and money under the table is welcome...

Cases against Noora and Nanni remain and more will be opened through NAB to make sure they remain hanging out with IshaqDollar and get Brit nationality..

I just want to see Jati Umra demolished... that is an ugly edifice of the DarkDecades ... which needs to become an oasis for nature.. trees and birds..

Let us see what NarcoLeague doesn't tomorrow... if they go to court and get the NOC then IHC gets so exposed that only a public suicide can restore their honour...

Next Episode: Zardari is Dying!

Looks like a silent "revolution" via "evolution"!!!! An empty house is better than a bad tenant....

 

[ejaz007]

Depends on which legal expert you ask. The former NAB prosecutor Raja Amir Abbas and Barrister Ali Zafar say that collateral can be obtained.

And he is free to do whatever he wants, as per the bail order. But it doesn't specify that his name be taken of the ECL. Both things are mutually exclusive. Why could not the court have done the same as it did with Maryam? Taking away her passport? Because the deal was that Nawaz only goes abroad, while Maryam does not.

Barrister Ali Zafar who belongs to PTI is also of the same view. Watch geo news yesterday program.

Since court has not put any condition on his bail government can not.

Farogh Nasim right now on TV saying that the Federal Govt can obtain an "indemnity" bond, not a bail bond though.

He quoted some section which didn't quite catch.

Indemnity bond can be obtained in a civil case not in a criminal case.

 

[Jango]

Since court has not put any condition on his bail government can not.

The govt isn't putting the condition on his bail though is it?

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This is quite a compelling argument on the face of it.

Yesterday Kashif Abbasi put up a question, keh agr aap humanitarian grounds par chor hi rahay hain, to phir sab kuch hi maaf kar dain.

The flaw in that logic is pretty obvious. You are making an exception because of a humanitarian case, but that doesn't mean you let the guy go completely and totally break the law. A convict cannot go as the law says, and already the government has made an exception.

Hath do, bazu lay lete hain, yeh to wohi baat ho gayi.

 

[Xestan]

Depends on which legal expert you ask. The former NAB prosecutor Raja Amir Abbas and Barrister Ali Zafar say that collateral can be obtained.

Barrister Ali Zafar, in Hamid Mir's show last night said that there's no justification from the constitution and the law to obtain such surety bond.

Please watch the starting few minutes of the show.

 

[Jango]

Barrister Ali Zafar, in Hamid Mir's show last night said that there's no justification from the constitution and the law to obtain such surety bond.

Please watch the starting few minutes of the show.

He said something else on ARY

 

[Shane]

Barrister Ali Zafar, in Hamid Mir's show last night said that there's no justification from the constitution and the law to obtain such surety bond.

Please watch the starting few minutes of the show.

Ali Zafar or whoever are just Humans who can make mistakes, just like Baber Awan.

Already posted video of exact legal grounds and law available for asking indemnity bond or any conditions it deems appropriate and befitting the situation.

ECL is government prerogative, courts can however overrule anything in Pakistan as is evident in giving relief to Nawaz Convict when convicts are not allowed to leave as per ECL law.

Lets see how SCP interprets the letter of the law.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

All the NS supporters can raise the funds and buy him the freedom!! I think IK is quite candid about the amount of the blood money....

 

[SIPRA]

He said something else on ARY

He will give a third view, on another program. He is quite a Chutiya.

 

[Shane]

All the NS supporters can raise the funds and buy him the freedom!! I think IK is quite candid about the amount of the blood money....

Lol, that's certainly an option when Nawaz jumps his bail abroad.

This indemnity is just a 100Rupee stamp paper that has to state clearly that Shahbaz Sharif, the ECL removal requester, pledges to pay 7 billion if Nawaz Sharif does not come back after treatment. NO FUNDS NEED SUBMISSION AT ANY POINT NOW BUT ONLY WHEN AND IF NAWAZ REFUSES TO RETURN.

Not submitting such indemnity and trying to find excuses shows what else but gives away the desire to abscond from law after all.

 

[Jango]

ECL is government prerogative, courts can however overrule anything in Pakistan as is evident in giving relief to Nawaz Convict when convicts are not allowed to leave as per ECL law.

That is an interesting point.

The court (AFAIK) did not specify anything regarding foreign travel. Is that because the court knew that a convict cannot be removed from the ECL, and that is self explanatory in the ECL rules? So they did not state the obvious? Or did they deliberately keep a loophole in the judgement? But now when the N-league goes to court, akar inhi ki jholi main masla giray ga. And both the PTI and N-league can come out with partial points for themselves.

Can the court also strike down PTI's decision to remove his name from the ECL? Since a convict cannot be removed from it. On the contrary, if a convict being removed from the ECL is a prerogative of the executive, then why not also the imposition of an indemnity bond?

Alot of questions.

 

[ejaz007]

Ali Zafar or whoever are just Humans who can make mistakes, just like Baber Awan.

Already posted video of exact legal grounds and law available for asking indemnity bond or any conditions it deems appropriate and befitting the situation.

ECL is government prerogative, courts can however overrule anything in Pakistan as is evident in giving relief to Nawaz Convict when convicts are not allowed to leave as per ECL law.

Lets see how SCP interprets the letter of the law.

Where does it say in ECL law that a convict can not leave.

Also legally the case has not been concluded. The appeal is pending in high court. Also when the high court granted bail the sentence has been set aside for 8 weeks.