Myth of IAF shooting F-16 Debunked - Indian Lies Exposed Again

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Falcon vs Bison: Verifying a MiG-21 Wreck
March 2, 2019

By Veli-Pekka Kivimäki


On February 27th amid heightening tensions between India and Pakistan in Kashmir, an Indian Air Force MiG-21 aircraft was shot down by Pakistan. In the ensuing war of words over the incidents, both sides made varying claims about the incident, with India saying they had downed a Pakistani aircraft, while Pakistan stated it had downed two Indian aircraft. India acknowledged the loss of one, while Pakistan denied any losses of aircraft.

Against this backdrop, when images of apparent aircraft wreckage started popping up on social media, different interpretations were offered on what the images actually show. This post focuses on claims that pictures released by Pakistan actually showed parts of an F-16, purportedly downed by India.

The two tweets below are examples of claims made regarding the aircraft pieces.





The tweets above claimed to show F-16 parts, so we’re focusing on these for the verification. First, comparing two of the images released by Pakistan, we can determine they are two different perspectives of the same aircraft part. The colored arrows point out details that can be used for matching, such as a service hatch and a bent metal pipe.

A YouTube video from the scene also presents a walkaround view of the same part, establishing the same. (1:56 onwards)


The imagery appears to show an exhaust consistent with an R-25 engine found on the MiG-21bis. Additional imagery from the scene helps us verify this is the tail section. For example, this image:

If we rotate the image 180 degrees and put it side-by-side with a MiG-21’s tail, we have a good match.

For completeness, we can also match the section with the box which was claimed to contain an F-16 serial to this same piece.

According to a MiG-21 service manual available through CIA’s archive, we can determine that this is the thermocouple service hatch. Another manual for the aircraft states that the thermocouple junction box is located in this part of the aircraft, so it’s possible that is the function of the numbered box.

In fact, if we take a closer look at the service hatch, we can see a “CU” format serial number on there, which is used on the upgrade Indian MiG-21bis aircraft.

So, taken together, this is all so say that the claim about the writing on the junction box proving this is be an F-16 part is not correct. This is in fact very much part of an Indian MiG-21.

But what about the other fragment that was matched to an F-16, suggesting it was part of the engine? We don’t have a good match to an F-16 there, either. On the left below, we see an F-16 GE F110 engine being removed from the aircraft. (U.S. Air Force photo) On the right, a close up of the fragment from Pakistan. Note the uniform rectangular distribution on the F-16 engine cover, while the piece in Pakistan in showing different patterns and thicknesses of supports on the piece, while also curving inward.

Here, YouTube gives us another interesting point of comparison. Reportedly, a MiG-21bis was shot down in Croatia in 1991, and the wreckage of the aircraft is on display at the “museum collection of the homeland war in Turanj“. The YouTube walkaround of this wreckage shows features which match better to a MiG-21 than an F-16.

In summary, there’s no compelling evidence offered as of yet that an F-16 would have been shot down, and all signs point to MiG-21 wreckage having been on display thus far.

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[Raider 21]

People. This is how a wreckage looks like.

 

[Philip the Arab]

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My bad I didn't see a post like this.

 

[FuturePAF]

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People. This is how a wreckage looks like.

If this from the Soviet war days?

Falcon vs Bison: Verifying a MiG-21 Wreck
March 2, 2019

By Veli-Pekka Kivimäki


On February 27th amid heightening tensions between India and Pakistan in Kashmir, an Indian Air Force MiG-21 aircraft was shot down by Pakistan. In the ensuing war of words over the incidents, both sides made varying claims about the incident, with India saying they had downed a Pakistani aircraft, while Pakistan stated it had downed two Indian aircraft. India acknowledged the loss of one, while Pakistan denied any losses of aircraft.

Against this backdrop, when images of apparent aircraft wreckage started popping up on social media, different interpretations were offered on what the images actually show. This post focuses on claims that pictures released by Pakistan actually showed parts of an F-16, purportedly downed by India.

The two tweets below are examples of claims made regarding the aircraft pieces.



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File picture of cross section of F16 engine and wreckage of downed Pakistani F16 jet


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step to confirm that its a F16 debris

1. check box no. in 1st img.

2. search it in F16 database, link below.http://www.f-16.net/aircraft-database/F-16 …

3. It's Jordan F16. How it's reached Pak, link below.https://thediplomat.com/2016/06/us-pakistan-f-16-deal-is-dead-islamabad-mulling-jordan-f-16-fighter-jets-instead/ …

credit of info- @SamStein357 #Abhinandan


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The tweets above claimed to show F-16 parts, so we’re focusing on these for the verification. First, comparing two of the images released by Pakistan, we can determine they are two different perspectives of the same aircraft part. The colored arrows point out details that can be used for matching, such as a service hatch and a bent metal pipe.

A YouTube video from the scene also presents a walkaround view of the same part, establishing the same. (1:56 onwards)


The imagery appears to show an exhaust consistent with an R-25 enginefound on the MiG-21bis. Additional imagery from the scene helps us verify this is the tail section. For example, this image:

If we rotate the image 180 degrees and put it side-by-side with a MiG-21’s tail, we have a good match.

For completeness, we can also match the section with the box which was claimed to contain an F-16 serial to this same piece.

According to a MiG-21 service manual available through CIA’s archive, we can determine that this is the thermocouple service hatch. Another manual for the aircraft states that the thermocouple junction box is located in this part of the aircraft, so it’s possible that is the function of the numbered box.

In fact, if we take a closer look at the service hatch, we can see a “CU” format serial number on there, which is used on the upgrade Indian MiG-21bis aircraft.

So, taken together, this is all so say that the claim about the writing on the junction box proving this is be an F-16 part is not correct. This is in fact very much part of an Indian MiG-21.

But what about the other fragment that was matched to an F-16, suggesting it was part of the engine? We don’t have a good match to an F-16 there, either. On the left below, we see an F-16 GE F110 engine being removed from the aircraft. (U.S. Air Force photo) On the right, a close up of the fragment from Pakistan. Note the uniform rectangular distribution on the F-16 engine cover, while the piece in Pakistan in showing different patterns and thicknesses of supports on the piece, while also curving inward.

Here, YouTube gives us another interesting point of comparison. Reportedly, a MiG-21bis was shot down in Croatia in 1991, and the wreckage of the aircraft is on display at the “museum collection of the homeland war in Turanj“. The YouTube walkaround of this wreckage shows features which match better to a MiG-21 than an F-16.

In summary, there’s no compelling evidence offered as of yet that an F-16 would have been shot down, and all signs point to MiG-21 wreckage having been on display thus far.

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/rest-of-world/2019/03/02/falcon-vs-bison-verifying-a-mig-21-wreck/

Any Idea if the plane came down with missiles intact. If they find R-77 and R-73 missiles or if the pilot was wearing a HMS Helmet, this should be a dead giveaway (if you pardon the pun).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21_variants#Upgrade_programmes

Also Any of the other things found that are stated in this video like self protection jamming pod (warning: robot voice)

 

[Raider 21]

If this from the Soviet war days?



Any Idea if the plane came down with missiles intact. If they find R-77 and R-73 missiles or if the pilot was wearing a HMS Helmet, this should be a dead giveaway (if you pardon the pun).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21_variants#Upgrade_programmes

Also Any of the other things found that are stated in this video like self protection jamming pod (warning: robot voice)

Yes from the Soviet-Afghan war. It is a Viper that came in the cross hairs of an AIM-9 that was launched for an intended MiG-23. Pilot ejected safely and was recovered.

 

[Thorough Pro]

What's with people trying to match parts and part numbers? Look at the fucking flag, PAF didn't ran to the crash site with brush and bucket of paint and painted Indian flag over Pakistani flag on the tail of crashed f16

Falcon vs Bison: Verifying a MiG-21 Wreck
March 2, 2019

By Veli-Pekka Kivimäki


On February 27th amid heightening tensions between India and Pakistan in Kashmir, an Indian Air Force MiG-21 aircraft was shot down by Pakistan. In the ensuing war of words over the incidents, both sides made varying claims about the incident, with India saying they had downed a Pakistani aircraft, while Pakistan stated it had downed two Indian aircraft. India acknowledged the loss of one, while Pakistan denied any losses of aircraft.

Against this backdrop, when images of apparent aircraft wreckage started popping up on social media, different interpretations were offered on what the images actually show. This post focuses on claims that pictures released by Pakistan actually showed parts of an F-16, purportedly downed by India.

The two tweets below are examples of claims made regarding the aircraft pieces.





The tweets above claimed to show F-16 parts, so we’re focusing on these for the verification. First, comparing two of the images released by Pakistan, we can determine they are two different perspectives of the same aircraft part. The colored arrows point out details that can be used for matching, such as a service hatch and a bent metal pipe.

A YouTube video from the scene also presents a walkaround view of the same part, establishing the same. (1:56 onwards)


The imagery appears to show an exhaust consistent with an R-25 engine found on the MiG-21bis. Additional imagery from the scene helps us verify this is the tail section. For example, this image:

If we rotate the image 180 degrees and put it side-by-side with a MiG-21’s tail, we have a good match.

For completeness, we can also match the section with the box which was claimed to contain an F-16 serial to this same piece.

According to a MiG-21 service manual available through CIA’s archive, we can determine that this is the thermocouple service hatch. Another manual for the aircraft states that the thermocouple junction box is located in this part of the aircraft, so it’s possible that is the function of the numbered box.

In fact, if we take a closer look at the service hatch, we can see a “CU” format serial number on there, which is used on the upgrade Indian MiG-21bis aircraft.

So, taken together, this is all so say that the claim about the writing on the junction box proving this is be an F-16 part is not correct. This is in fact very much part of an Indian MiG-21.

But what about the other fragment that was matched to an F-16, suggesting it was part of the engine? We don’t have a good match to an F-16 there, either. On the left below, we see an F-16 GE F110 engine being removed from the aircraft. (U.S. Air Force photo) On the right, a close up of the fragment from Pakistan. Note the uniform rectangular distribution on the F-16 engine cover, while the piece in Pakistan in showing different patterns and thicknesses of supports on the piece, while also curving inward.

Here, YouTube gives us another interesting point of comparison. Reportedly, a MiG-21bis was shot down in Croatia in 1991, and the wreckage of the aircraft is on display at the “museum collection of the homeland war in Turanj“. The YouTube walkaround of this wreckage shows features which match better to a MiG-21 than an F-16.

In summary, there’s no compelling evidence offered as of yet that an F-16 would have been shot down, and all signs point to MiG-21 wreckage having been on display thus far.

 

[Philip the Arab]

What's with people trying to match parts and part numbers? Look at the fucking flag, PAF didn't ran to the crash site with brush and bucket of paint and painted Indian flag over Pakistani flag on the tail of crashed f16

They are trying to make sure its a Mig and which Mig it is. You don't believe an F-16 was shot down do you?

 

[Thorough Pro]

how many types of single engine migs are active in indian AF besides MIG21BIS?

 

[Philip the Arab]

how many types of single engine migs are active in indian AF besides MIG21BIS?

Mig-27, Mirage,Tejas albeit not Migs but still.

 

[Thorough Pro]

read my post again.

Mig-27, Mirage,Tejas albeit not Migs but still.

 

[Philip the Arab]

read my post again.

The MIG-27 is still active and is single-engined as I said and I was just listing single engine aircraft in the Indian air force.

 

[Yankee-stani]

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Renowned expert debunks Indian claims of shooting down Pakistan's F-16
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Indian claims of shooting down a Pakistan F-16 jet along the Line of Control (LoC) during the recent standoff between the two neighbouring countries have been debunked by an investigative website, Bellingcat.

The website, which is known for its accurate analysis of war zones, exposed the India’s false claims with the help of thorough research and technical explanation.

Finnish expert Veli-Pekkalt, who authored the report, concluded in his research that evidence shared by the Indian government and media proved that a Soviet-era MiG 21 belonging to the Indian Air Force (IAF) was shot down during the dogfight instead of an F-16.



“All signs point to a downing of a Soviet-era MiG 21 belonging to the Indian Air Force, instead of a Pakistani F-16 as claimed by India”.

Pakistani forces remain on alert despite ‘calm along LoC’

In his comprehensive findings, it was stated that there was no “compelling evidence” that an F-16 was shot down by India.

The expert also referred to the pictures shared by the Indian media claiming to be the wreckage of Pakistan’s F-16.

Pictures shared by both Pakistan and India were examined by the website before reaching to the conclusion.

On February 27, Pakistan Air Force fighter jets shot down two Indian warplanes after they intruded into its airspace while responding to a Pakistani aerial mission on targets inside Indian Occupied Kashmir and arrested one Indian pilot, Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman.

 

[Pakistani Aircraft]

One by one, everyone is releasing reports that do not favour India.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

One by one, everyone is releasing reports that do not favour India.

I have read many reports on western media. There is absolute consensus that Pak shot and captured one Indian pilot, with some coverage relating to two Indian fighters shot down by Pakistan. But non has mentioned the F-16. Besides the gullible Indian public nobody is buying into the false Indian claim.