‘Mysterious metal objects’ in Dadu fell from Hatf V missile: ISPR

[Safriz]

In that case the reliability of the INS guidance is questionable.

This is simple physics my dear.
Fluctuations in gravity effect INS,no matter how sophistocated.

 

[Safriz]

corrections are applied via data accumulated by gravity surveys or by satellite navigation,or a constant fed into flight computer which is mean of all errors the INS can experience while flying on a certain terrain.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

This is simple physics my dear.
Fluctuations in gravity effect INS,no matter how sophistocated.

So then the missile or projectile being guided by that INS, just falls out of the sky? What a facetious argument.
If that INS is so underdeveloped and unreliable then it will be unwise to use that system to guide a BM carrying a Nuclear Warhead.
Simpler Logic (than the Physics), my dear.

 

[Safriz]

So then the missile or projectile being guided by that INS, just falls out of the sky? What a facetious argument.
If that INS is so underdeveloped and unreliable then it will be unwise to use that system to guide a BM carrying a Nuclear Warhead.
Simpler Logic (than the Physics), my dear.

I was mentioning a probable reason of why the missile was launched over land.
Most Pakistani missile tests are launched from deep inland anyway.
So nothing new here.
But testing INS may be a reason.

This time they were testing the starategic command and control system for the first time on a Ballistic missile.
So consider this first test of ts kind,and error can happen in a first test.

 

[karan.1970]

So has this been established that the test was a failure or is ISPR still trying to brush it under the carpet?

 

[Capt.Popeye]

I was mentioning a probable reason of why the missile was launched over land.
Most Pakistani missile tests are launched from deep inland anyway.
So nothing new here.
But testing INS may be a reason.

This time they were testing the starategic command and control system for the first time on a Ballistic missile.
So consider this first test of ts kind,and error can happen in a first test.

Your explanation(s) is/are still not credible.
You say that:
1.this was the first test of the INS over land.
2.fluctuations in gravity affect INS, no matter how sophisticated.
3.this was the first test of the Strategic Command and Control system on a BM.


So you mean to say that:
1.the INS system is not fully tested and reliable given that this BM (or any other BM) will not be designed to fly only over water. Unless this missile was only designed to fly over the Arabian Sea to .....................Somalia or Antarctica?
2.the Strategic Command and Control system is still not up and running yet?

BTW, have'nt these missiles been validated and inducted in to service already?
If they have been inducted without sorting out the glitches above, will not the missiles be a greater danger to the good folks of Dadu (or any other village/town in Pakistan); than to some target across the borders?

 

[Safriz]

No PR260/2012-ISPR Dated: November 28, 2012
Rawalpindi - November 28, 2012:
Pakistan today successfully conducted the training launch of Medium Range Ballistic Missile Hatf V (Ghauri). The launch was conducted by a Strategic Missile Group of the Army Strategic Force Command on the culmination of a field training exercise that was aimed at testing the operational readiness of the Army Strategic Force Command. Ghauri ballistic missile is a liquid fuel missile which can carry both conventional and nuclear warheads over a distance of 1300 kms.
The test monitoring of the launch was conducted at the National Command Centre through the medium of National Command Authority’s fully automated Strategic Command and Control Support System (SCCSS). It may be recalled that the SCCSS enables robust Command and Control capability of all strategic assets with round the clock situational awareness in a digitized network centric environment to decision makers at the National Command Centre (NCC). The test consolidates and strengthens Pakistan’s deterrence capability, and national security.
The President and Prime Minister congratulated all ranks of the Army Strategic Force Command on the excellent standard achieved during training which was reflected in the proficient handling of the weapon system in the field and the accuracy of the training launch.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...le-test-fired-successfully.html#ixzz2DpeNJK5A


SCCSS has been tested for the first time with a Ballistic missile...apparently.

 

[arushbhai]

It was NOT an experiment. It was an user trial conducted by the SFC in real time conditions. In all probablilty this was a random missile taken out from the production lot. Missile failing is not a great deal..all countries have failures, but the apparent lack of transparency and the great cover-up attempted by ISPR is a concern. Now this questions the validity of their previous sucesses as well.

lol no, it doesnt work like that. Pak army doesnt just randomly pick missiles from its inventory for random testing. For random testing, they conduct experiments. As far as this missile is concerned, it was an experiment, and experiments are meant to fail sometimes. I just dont like how everyone here is getting all defensive about this. You learn from your mistakes.

 

[Safriz]

 

[Abingdonboy]

I don't know if this has been posted, but found this on another forum:

circle in red shows launch site and the arrow head show the target site, blue area is where these parts fell at night

 

[Capt.Popeye]

No PR260/2012-ISPR Dated: November 28, 2012
Rawalpindi - November 28, 2012:
Pakistan today successfully conducted the training launch of Medium Range Ballistic Missile Hatf V (Ghauri). The launch was conducted by a Strategic Missile Group of the Army Strategic Force Command on the culmination of a field training exercise that was aimed at testing the operational readiness of the Army Strategic Force Command. Ghauri ballistic missile is a liquid fuel missile which can carry both conventional and nuclear warheads over a distance of 1300 kms.
The test monitoring of the launch was conducted at the National Command Centre through the medium of National Command Authority’s fully automated Strategic Command and Control Support System (SCCSS). It may be recalled that the SCCSS enables robust Command and Control capability of all strategic assets with round the clock situational awareness in a digitized network centric environment to decision makers at the National Command Centre (NCC). The test consolidates and strengthens Pakistan’s deterrence capability, and national security.
The President and Prime Minister congratulated all ranks of the Army Strategic Force Command on the excellent standard achieved during training which was reflected in the proficient handling of the weapon system in the field and the accuracy of the training launch.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...le-test-fired-successfully.html#ixzz2DpeNJK5A


SCCSS has been tested for the first time with a Ballistic missile...apparently.

@Safriz, thanks for quoting the ISPR press release.

Apparently......though the ISPR press release in no way indicates that.

It also says that: "a field training exercise that was aimed at testing the operational readiness of the Army Strategic Force Command."

Which indicates an 'User trial of an operational' missile.

However in Post#150, you said:

some launches have to be made over land to assess the INS.
Gravity hubs such as mountain ranges effect to Inertial navigation system.

And in post#156 you added:

I was mentioning a probable reason of why the missile was launched over land.
Most Pakistani missile tests are launched from deep inland anyway.
So nothing new here.
But testing INS may be a reason.

This time they were testing the starategic command and control system for the first time on a Ballistic missile.
So consider this first test of ts kind,and error can happen in a first test.

Which is all about a first test of the INS Guidance system in certain conditions; i.e. over land to test the INS because, in your words (post#153):

This is simple physics my dear.
Fluctuations in gravity effect INS,no matter how sophistocated.

Which brings me back to my post#158:

Your explanation(s) is/are still not credible.
You say that:
1.this was the first test of the INS over land.
2.fluctuations in gravity affect INS, no matter how sophisticated.
3.this was the first test of the Strategic Command and Control system on a BM.


So you mean to say that:
1.the INS system is not fully tested and reliable given that this BM (or any other BM) will not be designed to fly only over water. Unless this missile was only designed to fly over the Arabian Sea to .....................Somalia or Antarctica?
2.the Strategic Command and Control system is still not up and running yet?

BTW, have'nt these missiles been validated and inducted in to service already?
If they have been inducted without sorting out the glitches above, will not the missiles be a greater danger to the good folks of Dadu (or any other village/town in Pakistan); than to some target across the borders?

Those points have not been answered yet.

Finally;
No PR260/2012-ISPR Dated: November 28, 2012
Rawalpindi - November 28, 2012:
says "Pakistan today successfully conducted the training launch of Medium Range Ballistic Missile Hatf V (Ghauri)."

In the light of the episode at Dadu, that is questionable.

 

[SHAMK9]

An Indian source reporting it as a missile failure



Hatf-V/Ghauri test fails, missile crashes in Pakistani village

and that surprises you because.....??

 

[Safriz]

@Capt.Popeye Obviously none of us is here to pass verdicts,we can only speculate,and your guess is as good as mine.

 

[Safriz]

No PR261/2012-ISPR Dated: November 30, 2012

Rawalpindi - November 30, 2012:

A spokesman of ISPR has said that the Hatf V (Ghauri) missile test conducted on Wednesday was a complete success. The missile during its flight remained within the designated flight path and corridor. The metal parts found in a remote area of Dadu, as reported in media today, were part of the motor body, which separated from the missile as planned, well within the safety corridor.

It was ensured that at no point, would human life or property be at risk. There is no cause for alarm or concern, the spokesman concluded.

 

[The Deterrent]

I don't know if this has been posted, but found this on another forum:

circle in red shows launch site and the arrow head show the target site, blue area is where these parts fell at night

Completely wrong info about the target area. It is eastern Baluchistan, not north western region.