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Myanmar Peace Prize laureate criminally silent on Muslims cleansing

Just yesterday one Bengali Hindu from Bangladesh won Silver in Math Olympiad. Does that mean he is a Ghoti or Indian?

According to Bangladeshis here, his heart lies in India and he is secretly buying property in Calcutta so that he can come to his land of salvation.

I don't know if it's true, but surely do sympathize with the boy.

We will take him into our fold.
 
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Not sure how credible this is:

Burma: Regime behind Rohingya ethnic cleansing | Green Left Weekly

Burma: Regime behind Rohingya ethnic cleansing

Tuesday, June 26, 2012
By Tony Iltis

Rohingya refugees trying to make it to Bangladesh.
There are wildly divergent estimates of the death toll from ethnic and religious violence in the Burmese state of Arakan.

Mainstream media reports and the Burmese government are claiming that fewer than 100 people have been killed in violence they describe as clashes between the Buddhist Rakhine majority and Muslim Rohingya minority communities.

However, Rohingya sources estimate thousands of deaths from a planned campaign of violent ethnic cleansing by Burmese government forces. Rohingya sources say the regime has been instigating Rakhine mob violence as part of their campaign.

France 24 said on June 22: “More than 80 people have been killed and thousands displaced in a wave of violence between Muslims and Buddhists in west Burma.”

On June 21, the Burmese government put the death toll at 62, Associated Press reported.

But the National Democratic Party for Human Rights (NDPHR), a Rohingya political party that won four seats in the democratic 1990 Burmese elections, said on June 19: “The information from Arakan confirmed that the death toll of Rohingya has exceeded 10,000 from Sittwe city alone, and a few thousand from Maungdaw, Rathedaung and Kyauktaw townships.

“Most of them were shot dead, brutally beaten to death, burnt alive and the rest were those taken away by security forces into hidden areas.”

Reports on social media from Rohingya sources inside Arakan, such as the NDPHR, have been published in English on Malaysian-based website The Sail and the site of the Ethnic Rohingya Committee of Arakan in Malaysia.

These reports make a grim catalogue: along with mass killings, alleged atrocities include burning of villages, mass rape, mass arrests, torture, looting and extortion.

Rakhine mobs and armed Rakhine elements have been responsible for much of the violence, but the main perpetrators have been the military and paramilitary forces of the Burmese government: the police, the army, the navy and in particular the Nasaka border security forces.

There are also reports of clashes between Rohingya and Rakhine rioters and clashes between government forces and armed Rakhine groups.

The violence started on June 3 in Taungup township when 10 Rohingya bus passengers were beaten to death by a 300-strong lynch mob. For the preceding week, Buddhist extremist hate groups ― assisted by the local media in Arakan ― had been blaming Muslims for the May 28 rape and murder of a Rakhine woman in the village of Thabyaychaung.

This was used as a pretext to whip up violent anti-Rohingya sentiment.

The NDPHR said activists from the Wanthanu Rakheta Association were distributing anti-Muslim leaflets in Taungup on the morning of June 3 immediately before the lynching.

On June 18, three Rohingya men were sentenced to death for the May 28 rape and murder, Democratic Voice of Burma reported. One of the three, “accused of masterminding” the crime, had already died in custody (officially suicide), but death sentences can be given retrospectively under Burmese law.

Phil Robertson, head of the Asia division of Human Rights Watch (FRW), told DVB: “We condemn the imposition of the death penalty in all cases as cruel and inhumane treatment. But we’ve also had no access to information about this case, so there is no way to say whether the three men on trial are in fact guilty.”

Chris Lewa, Director of the Arakan Project, told DVB: “My concern would be whether there was any kind of proper judicial system. This was quite quick.”

More than a third of Burma’s population belongs to oppressed nationalities and dozens of national liberation struggles have been ongoing since Burma won independence in 1948. In the past, both Rakhine and Rohinhya armed groups have fought the Burmese government in Arakan, and sometimes each other.

No Rohingya groups have been involved in armed struggle for 10 years. The main Rakhine rebel group, the Arakan Liberation Party, entered peace talks with the government this year.

Successive US governments have had a strained relationship with Burma’s military rulers. The US even provides not-so-covert support to some of the insurgent groups.

However, a confidential October 10, 2002, cable from the US embassy in Rangoon ― published by WikiLeaks on August 30 last year ― repeats in good faith spurious allegations by Burmese military intelligence linking the Rohingya national movement with Osama bin Laden.

The same cable expresses scepticism at Burmese government charges of terrorism against other armed national movements.

The Burmese government has used the anti-Islam bias in the “war on terror” narrative, which the West now uses to justify its wars, to delegitimise Rohingya self-determination to Western policy makers.

Reporting the current violence in Arakan, the Western media have generally repeated claims by the Burmese regime and Rakhine chauvinists that the Rohingya are not indigenous to Arakan, but are immigrants from Bangladesh or their descendants.

In reality, the Rohingya can trace their existence in Arakan as far back as the Rakhine can. There are records of Islamic political entities in Arakan more than a millennium ago.

Antipathy between different ethnic and religious groups was fostered by the British during the colonial period. In World War II, just before Burma won independence, Arakan was the site of some of the biggest clashes between the British and Japanese empires.

Intersecting with this conflict was Burma’s struggle for independence and many local conflicts. This resulted in large-scale violence between Japanese-armed Rakhine and British-armed Rohingya militias.

Both sides committed massacres of civilians, but the Rohingya bore the brunt of them. There was a large flow of Rohingya refugees to the nearest British territory: what is today Bangladesh.

Since independence in 1948, there have been anti-Rohingya pogroms in 1949, 1967-8, 1978 and 1991, sending more refugees to Bangladesh.

Encouraging Buddhist chauvinism and anti-Rohingya prejudice is the Burmese state’s political response to Rakhine nationalism. For its part, Bangladesh sees the Rohingya as illegal immigrants from Burma.
 
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According to Bangladeshis here, his heart lies in India and he is secretly buying property in Calcutta so that he can come to his land of salvation.

I don't know if it's true, but surely do sympathize with the boy.

We will take him into our fold.

I dont think this analogy stands true anymore as the economic condition in India specially WB and Tripura is in dire condition according to many Hindus I talked to. Most of them returned back who migrated in the 90's.
 
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We need another Mohammed Bin Qasim to win Teknaf for the Rohingyas.
 
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I dont think this analogy stands true anymore as the economic condition in India specially WB and Tripura is in dire condition according to many Hindus I talked to. Most of them returned back who migrated in the 90's.

Although West bengal is far ahead of Bangladesh when it comes to economy and standard of living, but it's not about economy as according to Bangladeshis here they want to settle in india because of their religious affinity. In other words they are not loyal to Bangladesh.
 
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Although West bengal is far ahead of Bangladesh when it comes to economy and standard of living, but it's not about economy as according to Bangladeshis here they want to settle in india because of their religious affinity. In other words they are not loyal to Bangladesh.

That's not what the returnee says. And most of them don't go to Calcutta but Rural West Bengal. According to them, those areas dont even have roads and not much economic activities to make 2 meals a day. I dont know exactly and dont know the ground realities but that is what I heard from Hindus. Hindus also make fun of the people who migrated there as they say that these idiots were branded as Bangal etc.

No matter what people say, but its all end up in economy. Most Hindus migrated in the 70's and 80's were basically economic migrant. There were not much happening here in those days and condition of the poor were really bad. So, it was an easy choice for Hindus. Now the situation is completely different.
 
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Labong,

If you did some research you will see that Hindus are very integrated in every sphere of life in Bangladesh. That does not mean that there is no discrimination but muslims are treated much much worse in India. Even if we are to look at West Bengal which is 35% Muslim but in government jobs they are barely 3%.

A country that treats its minorities badly only ends up creating a 5 column in their midst. I do not know how you have to conclusion that you have but it does not seem to be from anything any bd poster here. You are simply reflecting your own prejudice and anti Muslim everything rhetoric.
 
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What makes me worry is that why there's no call for resistance against this ethnic cleansing yet? I know Rohingya guys they are peaceful people,They don't fight unless you take them to the last limit of their patience and bearing,My heart bleeds for them,The ignorance and silence of international media,UN and so called liberal human right activist is unbelievable,Its not only about being a Muslim its about thousands of human beings getting killed for literally no reason.
 
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Labong,

If you did some research you will see that Hindus are very integrated in every sphere of life in Bangladesh. That does not mean that there is no discrimination but muslims are treated much much worse in India. Even if we are to look at West Bengal which is 35% Muslim but in government jobs they are barely 3%.

A country that treats its minorities badly only ends up creating a 5 column in their midst. I do not know how you have to conclusion that you have but it does not seem to be from anything any bd poster here. You are simply reflecting your own prejudice and anti Muslim everything rhetoric.

That's an incorrect conclusion..
Their educational and social status are not good in West Bengal..
How can they qualify for a job which is based on educational qualification and merit
That they do not get quuota on the basis of religion signifies the secualar nature of India..
You know the two most backward districts of West Bengal..
They are Muslim majority and migration to other places is a well known industry over there..
India is a secular country and Govt does not discriminate on the basis of religion..
It is upto you how you make up ur future..
Govt should not interfere...
So, give up on your assertion that Muslims are discrumnated..
You can research on the conditions of South Indian Muslims which are far better and at par with the general population of their states..
And another example..
A couple of years ago the topper of India's most coveted IAS was a Kashmir Muslim..
Google it..
As I said , the Indian Constituion does not discrimnate on religion
 
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Labong,

If you did some research you will see that Hindus are very integrated in every sphere of life in Bangladesh. That does not mean that there is no discrimination but muslims are treated much much worse in India. Even if we are to look at West Bengal which is 35% Muslim but in government jobs they are barely 3%.

A country that treats its minorities badly only ends up creating a 5 column in their midst. I do not know how you have to conclusion that you have but it does not seem to be from anything any bd poster here. You are simply reflecting your own prejudice and anti Muslim everything rhetoric.

Well I'm reiterating what Bangladeshis told me. As far as I'm concerned, I believe Bangladeshi Hindus are Bangladeshi citizen and have nothing to do with India. Yeah they do have cultural ties with West Bengal along with Bangladeshi Muslims.

There are historic reasons behind only 3% contribution of Muslims in Govt job, it has nothing to do with any sort of discrimination.
 
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What makes me worry is that why there's no call for resistance against this ethnic cleansing yet? I know Rohingya guys they are peaceful people,They don't fight unless you take them to the last limit of their patience and bearing,My heart bleeds for them,The ignorance and silence of international media,UN and so called liberal human right activist is unbelievable,Its not only about being a Muslim its about thousands of human beings getting killed for literally no reason.

Everybody knows muslims are very peaceful its obvious. Pakistan claiming that she is a ultimate savior of muslims community in the world then better deploy its troops to Myanmar and save muslims by providing asylum in your country.
 
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Everybody knows muslims are very peaceful its obvious. Pakistan claiming that she is a ultimate savior of muslims community in the world then better deploy its troops to Myanmar and save muslims by providing asylum in your country.

First I don't know what made you think that Pakistan will intervene in this matter,We have got a government which does not even care about its citizens getting killed everyday let alone Muslims of Rohingya,They don't give a rat's arse second where is the largest democracy? Not a single condemn why? Third how do you expect to migrate thousands of Muslims family from Rohingya to Pakistan? Please enlighten me,The responsibility lies on BD then India and finally Pakistan
 
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First I don't know what made you think that Pakistan will intervene in this matter,We have got a government which does not even care about its citizens getting killed everyday let alone Muslims of Rohingya,They don't give a rat's *** second where is the largest democracy? Not a single condemn why? Third how do you expect to migrate thousands of Muslims family from Rohingya to Pakistan? Please enlighten me,The responsibility lies on BD then India and finally Pakistan

Muslim ummah. largest democracy remained silent during SL tamils genocide so if she open her mouth it would be a great trouble.

You people supporting muslims(or terrorists) in Palestines , Kashmir , Afghanistan and took part in middle east war hence I thought that Pakistan having responsibility to save them.
 
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So Muslims in west bengal is backward and is under represented in government jobs after 70 years of independence. You guys see no systemic problem with your statement.

A rational mind would not come up with crap like Indian constitution does not discriminate. The constitution probably does not but your hindutva ideology does. There can be only two explanation for Muslim disenfranchisement, first the Hindu administration of India has institutional framework to disbar Muslim from fully participating in national life by blocking educational, political and economic opportunities. Secondly muslims are genetically inferior beings incapable of pursuing education or exploiting political or economic opportunities.


So please enlighten us, which is it. What exactly explains the plight of Muslims in India. And given you are so brilliant at creating a harmonious society which so values all it's diversity please break it down at how you feel you are in a position to comment on Bangladesh. I would not say Bangladesh is perfect by any means but when it comes to minority rights although we as a nation are younger than you, are doing much better than you.
 
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So Muslims in west bengal is backward and is under represented in government jobs after 70 years of independence. You guys see no systemic problem with your statement.

A rational mind would not come up with crap like Indian constitution does not discriminate. The constitution probably does not but your hindutva ideology does. There can be only two explanation for Muslim disenfranchisement, first the Hindu administration of India has institutional framework to disbar Muslim from fully participating in national life by blocking educational, political and economic opportunities. Secondly muslims are genetically inferior beings incapable of pursuing education or exploiting political or economic opportunities.


So please enlighten us, which is it. What exactly explains the plight of Muslims in India. And given you are so brilliant at creating a harmonious society which so values all it's diversity please break it down at how you feel you are in a position to comment on Bangladesh. I would not say Bangladesh is perfect by any means but when it comes to minority rights although we as a nation are younger than you, are doing much better than you.


You have not lived in West Bengal..
I have .. ..
and for your kind information.. there is nothing called Hindutva in Bengal..
We were ruled by Communists for 35 long years.. they are atheists and include Hindus, Muslims etc etc..
You agree that Indian Constitution does not discrimnate..
So if you feel that Muslims are getting discrimnated then why not file a litigation in courts ..
The courts run accoring to Indian constitution and not yours and mine idealogy !!!!
Once again.. notice the plight of South Indian Muslims..
Don;t try to teach me about my country and my land
 
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