Myanmar as an emerging military power

[Razia Sultana]

Agreed.

Bangladesh government have repeatedly stabbed Pakistan even taking the feud to Islamic Development Bank where Bangladesh backtracked on its commitments. This sort of stuff has created trust issues. Though I personally like Bangladeshis, the relations between our two nation are not getting better. Not anytime soon. Pakistanis should have a more realistic outlook of Government of Bangladesh.

Why do you forget that Bangladesh was born because of the atrocities perpetrated by pakistanis on them. Pakistanis still consider Bangladeshis as lower people who are dark, poor and can do with 3rd class products. Someone above is talking about giving the discarded weapons, aircraft to bangladesh army.... they forget that bangladesh is fastest developing economy in South Asia, they have several defence orders in place like sub marine and soon going to launch a satelite. Their foreign currency reserves are way ahead of Pakistan's.

 

[Bad Wolf]

Pakistanis still consider Bangladeshis as lower people who are dark, poor and can do with 3rd class products.

Bull.

World's values survey found Indians to be the most racist people on the planet whereas Pakistanis were the least racist. This is why caste-based apartheid continue to this day in India and horrendous cases like the low-caste Indian boy who was burnt to death over straying goat happens are a common place. This is all nothing new as Gandhi had similar disdain for "darkies" and Blacks.

Why do you forget that Bangladesh was born because of the atrocities perpetrated by pakistanis on them.

Let me bring you to the 21st century, its the brute Indian Border Security Force that has killed over 1,000 Bangladeshi civilians over the past decade in what Human Rights Watch has termed as a "trigger happy" force involved in "torture", "rape", "shoot-to-kill" policies and "indiscriminate killings" of innocent Bangladeshi civilians.

Here's what Human Rights Watch has been saying for the past few years:
(2010) Trigger Happy: Excessive Use of Force by Indian Troops at the Bangladesh Border
(2010) India/Bangladesh: Indiscriminate Killings, Abuse by Border Officers
(2011) India's shoot-to-kill policy on the Bangladesh border
(2011) India: New Killings, Torture at Bangladeshi Border
(2012) India: Prosecute Security Forces for Torture
(2012) India: Abuses by Border Force Increasing

Brutality of BSF in Bangladesh Border
youtu.be/uE1Wng7lEWQ

I won't even go into the despicable human trafficking of innocent Bengali women that is taking place in India where women are lured with a promise of work and then forced into prostitution.

 

[Razia Sultana]

Bull.

World's values survey found Indians to be the most racist people on the planet whereas Pakistanis were the least racist. This is why caste-based apartheid continue to this day in India and horrendous cases like the low-caste Indian boy who was burnt to death over straying goat happens in India. This is all nothing new as Gandhi had similar disdain for anyone "darkies" and Blacks.

Let me bring you to the 21st century, its the brute Indian Border Security Force that has killed over 1,000 Bangladeshi civilians over the past decade in what Human Rights Watch has termed as a "trigger happy" force involved in "torture", "rape", "shoot-to-kill" policies and "indiscriminate killings" of innocent Bangladeshi civilians.

Here's what Human Rights Watch has been saying for the past few years:
(2010) Trigger Happy: Excessive Use of Force by Indian Troops at the Bangladesh Border
(2010) India/Bangladesh: Indiscriminate Killings, Abuse by Border Officers
(2011) India's shoot-to-kill policy on the Bangladesh border
(2011) India: New Killings, Torture at Bangladeshi Border
(2012) India: Prosecute Security Forces for Torture
(2012) India: Abuses by Border Force Increasing

Brutality of BSF in Bangladesh Border
youtu.be/uE1Wng7lEWQ

I won't even go into the despicable human trafficking of innocent Bengali women that is taking place in India where women are lured with a promise of work and then forced into prostitution.

What kind of a survey is this? Who you won't like as neighbour.... and what were the options? by the way, Indians believe that pakistanis and bangladeshis belong to same indian race or south asian race. Without knowing the other options, it wont be proper to comment. In my experience, most vegetarians do not want non-vegetarians to be their neighbours. most religious groups would like their own religious people to be their neighbours. Bangladeshis have similar score as India and even Africans seem to be pretty racist as per the survey. So this survey isn't effective to measure racism. But its a fact that you hated bangladeshis when they were east pakistanis. you called them by dirty names. When a bangladeshi got the mandate to rule the pakistan, he was denied the opportunity and this resulted in their independence.

Now come to India. A fragmented society surviving thousands of years of civilization and neglect by the rulers has at least a system to do away with inequalities. The Dalits, though still exploited, have a reservation system not only in govt. jobs, educational institutions but also in the govt. as legislators plus special laws to deal with exploitation. No system can overnight get rid of a social evil but what is important is whether that society recognizes those evils and have mechanism to fight it. Any citizen of India whether a dalit or a muslim or a jew or a tribal can aspire to become the prime minister of India as our constitution treats all citizens as equals unlike Pakistan where system deprives the non muslims from aspiring and i am not even talking about the blasphemy laws.

Leave aside your selective picks of thorns, India-Bangladesh relations are much much better than Pak-BD relations or Af-pak relations. Its only the jihadi or pro-pak elements in BD that try to spoil Indo-BD relations.

 

[Bad Wolf]

Its only the jihadi or pro-pak elements in BD that try to spoil Indo-BD relations.

So the brute "trigger happy" Indian Border Security Force force involved in "torture", "rape", "shoot-to-kill" policies and "indiscriminate killings" of over 1,000 innocent Bangladeshi civilians is now a pro-Pak and Jihadi organization?

What kind of a survey is this? Who you won't like as neighbour.... and what were the options? by the way, Indians believe that pakistanis and bangladeshis belong to same indian race or south asian race. Without knowing the other options, it wont be proper to comment. In my experience, most vegetarians do not want non-vegetarians to be their neighbours. most religious groups would like their own religious people to be their neighbours. Bangladeshis have similar score as India and even Africans seem to be pretty racist as per the survey. So this survey isn't effective to measure racism. But its a fact that you hated bangladeshis when they were east pakistanis. you called them by dirty names. When a bangladeshi got the mandate to rule the pakistan, he was denied the opportunity and this resulted in their independence.

Its a survey that shows the true face of India where racism runs riot. There is no denying that Indians are one of the most racist people, in fact India is the mother of all racist societies. Indians discriminate not only on basis of color, caste, sex, housing, social status, religion, sub-caste, sub-sub caste, but also on dietary preferences. Even in so called cosmopolitan cities like Mumbai, Gujjus, Jains and Marwaris have built special vegetarian enclaves which are off limits to non-vegetarians. Next they will build enclaves for people who do not eat onions, potatoes and any stuff that grows underground. No wonder, Indians in UK, US, Canada and even in Gulf are safer and happier than Indians in India.

Now come to India. A fragmented society surviving thousands of years of civilization and neglect by the rulers has at least a system to do away with inequalities. The Dalits, though still exploited, have a reservation system not only in govt. jobs, educational institutions but also in the govt. as legislators plus special laws to deal with exploitation. No system can overnight get rid of a social evil but what is important is whether that society recognizes those evils and have mechanism to fight it. Any citizen of India whether a dalit or a muslim or a jew or a tribal can aspire to become the prime minister of India as our constitution treats all citizens as equals unlike Pakistan where system deprives the non muslims from aspiring and i am not even talking about the blasphemy laws.

Which Bollywood film are you talking about here?

There never was a "India" in history, ever. India as a nation is born out of a joke that you still haven't figured out. The word India derives from the Greek word Indos given to you by Alexander The Great who defeated King Porus of the Hindū Paurava Kingdom on the banks of the Hydaspes. Brits played a joke on you after defeating you calling the land "India" (Indos) to honor the victory of Alexander The Great and now you can't relieve yourself of this shame because you are "Indian". And if that isn't enough, the river to which Indos was ascribed to is river Indus which flows through Pakistan. Like you changed Bombay to Mumbai, there needs to be a new name because "India" is too colonial and a billion people should not be named after a defeat.

 

[Razia Sultana]

Which Bollywood film are you talking about here?

There never was a "India" in history, ever. India as a nation is born out of a joke that you still haven't figured out. The word India derives from the Greek word Indos given to you by Alexander The Great who defeated King Porus of the Hindū Paurava Kingdom on the banks of the Hydaspes. Brits played a joke on you after defeating you calling the land "India" (Indos) to honor the victory of Alexander The Great and now you can't relieve yourself of this shame because you are "Indian". And if that isn't enough, the river to which Indos was ascribed to is river Indus which flows through Pakistan. Like you changed Bombay to Mumbai, there needs to be a new name because "India" is too colonial and a billion people should not be named after a defeat.

No one requires a history lesson from Pakistan who think India did not exist before Mohd Bin Qasim. For your info the official name of India is "Bharat Varsh", in ancient times it was also known as Aryawart and Jambu Dweep. Greeks gave the name India because of river Indus which in Sanskrit is called Sindhu which literally means water body. The Arabs and Iranians called it as Hind, a distorted form of Sindh and people began calling it by the names that were convenient to them like Hind, Hindustan, India. When Indians are speaking native language they refer their nation as Bharat.

As regards to Pakistan, we cant help it if you changed the name of your land after you separated from India. When Germany became two nations they retained the name Germany as East / west Germany, same about north and south Korea and also Yemen. Pakistan is only nation that artificially coined its own name which has no relevance to its soil or culture and opted to lose her claim on a great historical heritage. Now when world refers the history and heritage of the south asian land and ocean as Indian, you get jealous. And we are not such people that we will change the name of our father because he was not a rich man. We take pride in what we are - rich or poor. Unlike most pakistanis who hate their rich heritage and try to get a remote arabic link in their genetics, we Indians take pride in what we are.

So the brute "trigger happy" Indian Border Security Force force involved in "torture", "rape", "shoot-to-kill" policies and "indiscriminate killings" of over 1,000 innocent Bangladeshi civilians is now a pro-Pak and Jihadi organization?



Its a survey that shows the true face of India where racism runs riot. There is no denying that Indians are one of the most racist people, in fact India is the mother of all racist societies. Indians discriminate not only on basis of color, caste, sex, housing, social status, religion, sub-caste, sub-sub caste, but also on dietary preferences. Even in so called cosmopolitan cities like Mumbai, Gujjus, Jains and Marwaris have built special vegetarian enclaves which are off limits to non-vegetarians. Next they will build enclaves for people who do not eat onions, potatoes and any stuff that grows underground. No wonder, Indians in UK, US, Canada and even in Gulf are safer and happier than Indians in India.



Which Bollywood film are you talking about here?

There never was a "India" in history, ever. India as a nation is born out of a joke that you still haven't figured out. The word India derives from the Greek word Indos given to you by Alexander The Great who defeated King Porus of the Hindū Paurava Kingdom on the banks of the Hydaspes. Brits played a joke on you after defeating you calling the land "India" (Indos) to honor the victory of Alexander The Great and now you can't relieve yourself of this shame because you are "Indian". And if that isn't enough, the river to which Indos was ascribed to is river Indus which flows through Pakistan. Like you changed Bombay to Mumbai, there needs to be a new name because "India" is too colonial and a billion people should not be named after a defeat.

 

[Bad Wolf]

No one requires a history lesson from Pakistan who think India did not exist before Mohd Bin Qasim. For your info the official name of India is "Bharat Varsh"

Wrong, its Republic of India or Bharat Ganrajya. Here's Wikipedia for you:

India, officially the Republic of India (Bhārat Ganarājya) is a country in South Asia.

in ancient times it was also known as Aryawart and Jambu Dweep.

In ancient times, South Asia wasn't united regardless of the name so your point is moot. Its not the same entity.

Greeks gave the name India because of river Indus

I just said that.

which in Sanskrit is called Sindhu which literally means water body

Genius, Sindh, again, is a province of Pakistan along with the River Indus.

The Arabs and Iranians called it as Hind, a distorted form of Sindh and people began calling it by the names that were convenient to them like Hind, Hindustan, India.

Persians took the word "Hind" from Arabs who called the region "al-Hind". And its not called that for convenience sake, its because THEY KEPT WRITTEN RECORDS on Sindh which superseded the verbal history of the region. You're now officially a clown.

to them like Hind, Hindustan, India

What the hell are you talking about? Hindustan and India don't have common origins. One is Greek (India), the other is Arabic / Persian (Hindustan). We just discussed that!

When Indians are speaking native language they refer their nation as Bharat.

Make it official, don't shame one billion "Indians" who are named after a conquest or a river in Pakistan.

As regards to Pakistan, we cant help it if you changed the name of your land after you separated from India.

We separated from British India, not India. British India didn't belong to "Indians", you were merely slaves in it. And we changed the name because we have a perspective on history which you obviously don't considering you still ignorantly label yourself "Indian".

When Germany became two nations they retained the name Germany as East / west Germany, same about north and south Korea and also Yemen.

There is no North/South or East/West Yemen. EPIC FAIL.
Above all, do you have any idea of what a "Nation-State" is? Do tell what is America, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, if not a bunch of British renegades. And I'm not even going touch South America or Africa, like South Africa is the name of a "tribe".

Pakistan is only nation that artificially coined its own name which has no relevance to its soil or culture and opted to lose her claim on a great historical heritage.

First, let me breakdown India and its "heritage" for you.
a. India = Named after a river in Pakistan and conquests/defeats from Alexander and Brits.
b. Hindu = Persian word for Sindhu people who are happily living in the Sindh province of Pakistan. And whose identity and honor was revived by Jinnah who demanded that Sindh be separated from Bombay Presidency.
c. Hinduism = English word invented British in 17th century like any sort of "ism" can possibly a Sanskrit word.
d. Hindu "culture" is a derivative of a Sindhi civilization, Indus Valley Civilization, which predates Hinduism. And I'm not even going to get into Mehrgar civilization and Rawat where the earliest evidence of "Out of Africa" theory in South Asia are found.

So what exactly is yours? It's all Pakistan's heritage. The word "India" is meaningless whereas the word PAKISTAN represents the people of Pakistan. P for Punjabis and Pashtuns, K for Kashmiris, S for Sindhis and "stan" from Baluchistan. Ergo, its "India" that is the definition of fake and artificial state.

Now when world refers the history and heritage of the south asian land and ocean as Indian, you get jealous.

Professor, its British history that the world is following and you so slavishly are parroting. Where is the sense of your own history when you take pride in labeling yourself "Indian"?

Unlike most pakistanis who hate their rich heritage and try to get a remote arabic link in their genetics, we Indians take pride in what we are.

Let's not get into genetics. Pakistan has a very different genetic makeup than India. We fall primarily into ANI (Ancestral North Indian) while India is dominated by ASI (Ancestral South Indian).

Now stop embarrassing yourself and stick to the topic of Myanmar military.

 

[TopCat]

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While BD is receiving 4 K8 W a/c, Myanmar is producing those a/c locally.
50 K 8 W a/c are in service with Myanmar AF. Some of them are upgraded with advanced ground attack systems.
Myanmar is getting JF 17 very soon.
Myanmar AF chief is currently in Russia to negotiate buying of a squadron of MiG 35.
Myanmar is operating 32 MiG 29 UB/B/SE/SMT.
@BDforever

If actually true, it will be too much for Burmese tiny economy when Tax/GDP ratio is only 6%. Where will you fund these from? What is the total size of your budget?

 

[Razia Sultana]

Wrong, its Republic of India or Bharat Ganrajya. Here's Wikipedia for you:



In ancient times, South Asia wasn't united regardless of the name so your point is moot. Its not the same entity.

I just said that.

Genius, Sindh, again, is a province of Pakistan along with the River Indus.

Persians took the word "Hind" from Arabs who called the region "al-Hind". And its not called that for convenience sake, its because THEY KEPT WRITTEN RECORDS on Sindh which superseded the verbal history of the region. You're now officially a clown.

What the hell are you talking about? Hindustan and India don't have common origins. One is Greek (India), the other is Arabic / Persian (Hindustan). We just discussed that!

Make it official, don't shame one billion "Indians" who are named after a conquest or a river in Pakistan.

We separated from British India, not India. British India didn't belong to "Indians", you were merely slaves in it. And we changed the name because we have a perspective on history which you obviously don't considering you still ignorantly label yourself "Indian".

There is no North/South or East/West Yemen. EPIC FAIL.
Above all, do you have any idea of what a "Nation-State" is? Do tell what is America, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, if not a bunch of British renegades. And I'm not even going touch South America or Africa, like South Africa is the name of a "tribe".

First, let me breakdown India and its "heritage" for you.
a. India = Named after a river in Pakistan and conquests/defeats from Alexander and Brits.
b. Hindu = Persian word for Sindhu people who are happily living in the Sindh province of Pakistan. And whose identity and honor was revived by Jinnah who demanded that Sindh be separated from Bombay Presidency.
c. Hinduism = English word invented British in 17th century like any sort of "ism" can possibly a Sanskrit word.
d. Hindu "culture" is a derivative of a Sindhi civilization, Indus Valley Civilization, which predates Hinduism. And I'm not even going to get into Mehrgar civilization and Rawat where the earliest evidence of "Out of Africa" theory in South Asia are found.

So what exactly is yours? It's all Pakistan's heritage. The word "India" is meaningless whereas the word PAKISTAN represents the people of Pakistan. P for Punjabis and Pashtuns, K for Kashmiris, S for Sindhis and "stan" from Baluchistan. Ergo, its "India" that is the definition of fake and artificial state.

Professor, its British history that the world is following and you so slavishly are parroting. Where is the sense of your own history when you take pride in labeling yourself "Indian"?

Let's not get into genetics. Pakistan has a very different genetic makeup than India. We fall primarily into ANI (Ancestral North Indian) while India is dominated by ASI (Ancestral South Indian).

Now stop embarrassing yourself and stick to the topic of Myanmar military.

Neem Hakeem Khatrae jaan. Half knowledge is dangerous. If you are educated in Madrassa then please restrict yourself to religious discussions. We know the name of Pakistan was coined by a handful of people in 20th century. It was India before and is still the part of Greater India. You separate that piece of land from mainland India and call it by any fancy name, it doesn't change your origin. You can never be a part of Arab world, howsoever you may try. You have been taught distorted history not us. You should know that even Bangladesh was part of Pakistan and it no where existed in your P K S and stan and there is no M in Pakistan to represent Mohajirs while Kashmir is part of India. Just because someone fancied it to be part of Pakistan, it does not become one. Also, a part of Punjab is in India and majority of Pashtuns are actually Afghans. Nations dont form on the basis of acronyms. Thats why Pakistanis suffer from perpetual insecurity and keep repeating that no one can undo pakistan.
I cant say much about Hindu and hinduism but hinduism is english translation of Hindutva. Good that you have accepted your genetics to be an Indian (ANI) and not called it a Pakistani. That explains it all.

 

[Bad Wolf]

More Bollywood stories.

It was India before and is still the part of Greater India.

India, named after a river in Pakistan that you've admitted yourself, never existed in the pages of history and you've been unable to produce any evidence to support your claim. As for British India, your status was nothing more than a slave. Hence, my advice to you is to build more toilets than dream of "Greater India".

I cant say much about Hindu and hinduism but hinduism is english translation of Hindutva.

Not your fault, you're simply incapable of saying much other than parroting stale thoughts. And Hindutva is a nationalist movement, Hinduism is a religion, the name of which was ascribed by British writers in 17th century. Yet more evidence that you are clueless.

You can never be a part of Arab world, howsoever you may try.

We have great relations with Arab states and we're part of the Muslim world which includes people and nations from Europe, Africa, Middle East, and Asia. So was Hindustan for over 600 years. Of course, that part of your "heritage" is difficult to swallow for you while being slave in colonial British India is somehow a badge of honor. I'm guessing that's what being an "Indian" means to you.

Good that you have accepted your genetics to be an Indian (ANI) and not called it a Pakistani.

You are clearly suffering from cognitive dissonance as I pointed to the fact that even at the genetic level there are difference between Pakistanis and Indians. Perhaps its your low self-esteem that forces you to insist that you are somehow just like us. I guess we all have two eyes and one nose. Homo-sapiens till the end!

You have been taught distorted history not us.

I've actually written articles on India and Hinduism on Wikipedia and debated with some very open-minded and honest people from India. They have tended to agree with me hence all of this material is in Wikipedia for your consumption. Meanwhile, you have been unable to produce any evidence or even anything worth reading. Seriously, stay in school.

Again, stop embarrassing yourself. This is a thread about Myanmar military. If you like to debate me, open a new thread.

 

[Bong]

See BD and Myanmar are not enemies. We are educating Myanmar officers

20 Myanmar military officers get English course at BIPSOT

DHAKA, Oct 2 2014 (BSS) - A total of 20 Officers of Myanmar Armed Forces have received English Language Course at Bangladesh Institute of Peace Support Operation Training (BIPSOT) at Rajendrapur Cantonment in Gazipur.

The course was conducted by the experienced instructors of English Language of Bangladesh Army who were attached to BIPSOT. Bangladesh Army carried out the course with a view to developing bi-lateral friendly relationship between Bangladesh and Myanmar, an ISPR press release said here today.

Myanmar Ambassador to Bangladesh Myo Myint handed over the certificate to the Myanmar military officers as the chief guest in a closing ceremony on Wednesday at BIPSOT Auditorium.

BIPSOT Commandant Major General Mohammad Maksudur Rahman, Defence Attache of Myanmar in Bangladesh Colonel Tin Aung and officers of BIPSOT were present at the closing ceremony.


Bangladesh Sangbad Sangstha (BSS)

We also given them education in 2013
BIPSOT : Bangladesh Institute of Peace Support Operation Training

 

[Aung Zaya]

If actually true, it will be too much for Burmese tiny economy when Tax/GDP ratio is only 6%. Where will you fund these from? What is the total size of your budget?

MM has not only defence bedget but also military owned international corporation which is worth billions dollar per year.. The corporation can earn 500 million dollar a year even only in mining sector... Dude.. And also operate in tourism, transportation, food and beverage and heavy industries....

See BD and Myanmar are not enemies. We are educating Myanmar officers

20 Myanmar military officers get English course at BIPSOT

DHAKA, Oct 2 2014 (BSS) - A total of 20 Officers of Myanmar Armed Forces have received English Language Course at Bangladesh Institute of Peace Support Operation Training (BIPSOT) at Rajendrapur Cantonment in Gazipur.

The course was conducted by the experienced instructors of English Language of Bangladesh Army who were attached to BIPSOT. Bangladesh Army carried out the course with a view to developing bi-lateral friendly relationship between Bangladesh and Myanmar, an ISPR press release said here today.

Myanmar Ambassador to Bangladesh Myo Myint handed over the certificate to the Myanmar military officers as the chief guest in a closing ceremony on Wednesday at BIPSOT Auditorium.

BIPSOT Commandant Major General Mohammad Maksudur Rahman, Defence Attache of Myanmar in Bangladesh Colonel Tin Aung and officers of BIPSOT were present at the closing ceremony.


Bangladesh Sangbad Sangstha (BSS)

We also given them education in 2013
BIPSOT : Bangladesh Institute of Peace Support Operation Training

.. May be more than Learning purpose.. Coz just learning eng isn't so far difficult in MM.. Lol

 

[NarThoD]

Why have Indonesians started acting up lately? I hope the Australian secret police are keeping an eye on you all.

ah don't worry about us. and one thing we are the ones who keeping an eye to Australia after the spying incident.

good job for Myanmar armed forces. MM should be another dark horse of SEA

 

[tarpitz]

Myanmar Navy launched its first stealth light frigate 773 UMS Ta Bin Shwe Htee.

 

[Sine Nomine]

It appears Myanmar would skin Bangladesh in any war.

Just get your politics out of Indian skin, Bangladesh can spent more then Myanmar..

 

[scholseys]

Just get your politics out of Indian skin, Bangladesh can spent more then Myanmar..

Stick to the topic, its not an Indian thread. Based on current inventory Myanmar would.