Myanmar as an emerging military power

[Indos]

OK....You have missile there. Man, you really don't know us.......OK...How about this one, please treat your Rohingya people well and we will forget all of this.

 

[Min Ye Kyaw Swar]

1 . There is no Rohingya just the refuge of Bagali
There are 135 ethnic groups in Myanmar , with different culture and religious nowaday . It can't be 136 by adding Rohingya . Even Burmese Muslim or Christian don't support consider them as a ethnic even they insurgent and war with what you called majority Burmese . All of the world is blaming by sitting behind the computer , believe everything what the media say . The Arkran people are the very first Buddhism in Myanamar and the only palace where Lord Buddha came and vist "The Vasalia Kindom " since BC 3325 and they are the one of the ancient civilization which aganist Burmese Kingdom and empier till 1782 AD . Find at read at right and good book by great authors and westerner who are professional in history not the cheater and faker .
2 . We can take care them as refuge even if their country don't want to take responsible for them ,but now it not a very easy job to do . I admite that their lack of responsible of Myanmar government to handel this issue and there are some bad worms in Buddhism just like other religious have . And I blamed some of media without ethic ,both local and global like prees and Al Jezzera they have the responsible for the deaths of all people of this conflict . These media not only make killing people but also make worse the situation to help the Bangli or so called Rhinogyan but also make the conflict with some of uneducated local Muslim and Buddhist in Meik Htee lar . Now completely mees up there are so many innocent Bangli who don't give trouble to us like some do but we can't do nothing . We do the best we can for them , now government is try to give white card(Refuge card) to 2M Bangli , futher more I don't heard anything yet . We just cleaning the Bangladish Mess .
3. It is not just a misslie ,it can be become doom day instrument of , I still not yet know what the stage they have reach of developing nuclear .
4 . And I do know about Indonesia and I admite that you guy have better navy than us but land forces are still need to be experienced not lager than us 4sure . But it will be very interesting when hardwares from China and Russian meet with the hardware of U.S and Australia in the hand of Myanmar and Indo in the place of terrian like Indochina .
5 . We don't care about you try to forgive or not , we will to help these stateless Banglia or Rhinogyan as much as we can with aganist our own uneducated people but not gonna be done easily but we don't care about the world and other extermiest Muslim coz sooner or later the truth will be now and the world will know who is liar and who is distroted the History .
6 . If Indonesia want to invade to Myanmar make your land forces strong enough and pepare for advance anti missile system , we all now without Uncle San you are nothing . We are ready for anything whoever come in not gonna take back a live , and you will see all of the sons of Myanmar who are Buddhists, Christians and even muslim will defend their mother land as all cost .

 

[Aung Zaya]

Hey give me a chance to talk here, our Indonesian and Myanmar friends.

We don't have to do anything about Rohingya @Indos @nufix they are not our brother and sisters, just because they are moslem is not giving them free access to be in our care. We had our lots of problems, we had our genuine brother and sisters who suffering in poverty and mistreatment inside of Indonesia border, inside of our numerous Islands. We don't need to care about troublemaker like Rohingya, let them, Myanmar and the Bangladeshi solves their own problems. Heck, even they are to be slaughtered by the Myanmar locals enforcement agency and the Buddhist monk in thousand hundreds we can't suddenly jump to Myanmar and put pressure to Myanmar government, it is their internal problems and we can't intervene that. Because it will violent our country way of life not to intervene other countries matter, as has been stated in our Constitution.

My self is the proponent supporters of Indonesia first Policy, we had our own problems, our own messy conditions at homes, we don't have the luxury nor resources to jump into someone else problems. Our International Relational policy should be put as support policy for our National Interest and our peoples needs and peace. That's why i am against China meddling in Natuna and SCS, and doesn't care or give a shit about Rohingya people in Myanmar.

My point of view about current Myanmar condition is, Indonesia should support Myanmar democratization, their economics reforms and giving advice to them how to treatment their own peoples. If they can take a better care about all of those points i had mentioned, i think it will be less boats peoples from Myanmar to come to our shore, we can expand our economics influence to them and they can reap the benefit to become one of ASEAN Economic Zone, and give ASEAN community common grounds and boost in economic ties for all of its members. And all will be in line with Indonesia First Policy, that's what Jusuf Kalla had mentioned before when someone asking him why he is trying to brokering Myanmar Democratization process back in 2006-2007.

agree with u...

 

[Tagaung]

Myanmar is stronger than it appear.. we have tanks, migs, antiaircraft missiles, radars, armoured vehicle....etc but that is not very important. If in case of war, there is many points that we can win. We produce our own arms, artillery, armoured vehicles, frigates, AA guns & missiles and Radar ( under licence) and even assemble K8 aircraft. This is the real game changing.

 

[Tagaung]

The most important point that will win the war is myanmar medium ranged missiles and chemical or nuclear warheads. There are many proves that myanmar has smuggled medium ranged missiles because we have very good relation with N Korea. ( US News) There are some pic of suspect chemical weapon factory of myanmar.
This facility is near Pauk Township central burma.

 

[nufix]

4 . And I do know about Indonesia and I admite that you guy have better navy than us but land forces are still need to be experienced not lager than us 4sure . But it will be very interesting when hardwares from China and Russian meet with the hardware of U.S and Australia in the hand of Myanmar and Indo in the place of terrian like Indochina .

6 . If Indonesia want to invade to Myanmar make your land forces strong enough and pepare for advance anti missile system , we all now without Uncle San you are nothing . We are ready for anything whoever come in not gonna take back a live , and you will see all of the sons of Myanmar who are Buddhists, Christians and even muslim will defend their mother land as all cost .

What experience? warfare? no need to worry, you can compare wars that involved both country here:
List of wars involving Burma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
List of wars involving Indonesia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anyway, the land forces of Indonesia are projected mainly to protect the country from possible invasion, the main strike force is the navy and its marines. Indonesia is an island nation, the navy and its marines forces have played vital roles much more than the land forces in the history of war. Indonesian invasions, since 50's, were mostly spearheaded by the marines and the navy, of course the navy and its marines seem much stronger. Meanwhile, warfares that involved myanmar so far were mostly conducted on land and were pretty much inner conflicts (rebellions, fraction wars), of course your land elements are bigger than that of indonesia which is heavily dependant on beachhead and amphibious operations.

Who gave you the idea of Indonesia wanting to invade Myanmar? we have no interest in invading anyone right now, wars have wrecked indonesian economy twice. Our today's interest is mainly in trades and economics, and we are happy that Myanmar finally opens itself to international trade. Myanmar and Indonesia could be trade partners instead of enemy, after all, Indonesia and Myanmar never really had any conflicts and are not natural enemy.

 

[Nike]

It is true

What in Indonesia interest right now is how to fulfilling her role as a responsible emerging global player through economic and cultural cooperation with other country. Not to waging another insensible war against other country

 

[Tagaung]

But the government spokesman said this is a ordinary DI. But expects from western dont agree with. They said it is look like a high valued defence industry. This site is heavily guarded by special forces and including tanks. The total area of this building including 5 large warehouses and barrack style building for foreign workers is 200,000 sq meters. This factory include helipads so high level generals can visit. And they visit. The former senior general Than Shwe, former vice president Tin Aung Myint Oo, commander in chief Min Aung Hlaing and now vice president Nyan Tun Had been visited there. Some buildings from that facility had been built in mountains and some have ventilation system. Because these facts, many people think it is a WMD factory.View attachment 32941

You are right...When myanmar invade Indonesia, we have to come from the sea. our navy is not strong as yours. So we will lose. If Indonesia invade to us, you have to march on the land to reach capital. And your land troops are not as strong as myanmar. So we will win.

 

[Inception-06]

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MI 2 light attack helicopters of MAF. MAF received 20 MI 2 in 1990s and they performed very well in the operations in the Ayerwaddy delta region in 1990s. MI 2 were grounded since 1998. However MAF upgraded MI 2 in 2007 with the help of Serbia technicians. Only 18 MI 2 LAH are fully operational now.

The same upgrade Pakistan should do with its PUMA Helicopters and the Mi-8 M-17 line !

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Myanmar is stronger than it appear.. we have tanks, migs, antiaircraft missiles, radars, armoured vehicle....etc but that is not very important. If in case of war, there is many points that we can win. We produce our own arms, artillery, armoured vehicles, frigates, AA guns & missiles and Radar ( under licence) and even assemble K8 aircraft. This is the real game changing.

No, the problem with Myanmar is that your weaker than you appear. Some of your soldiers still uses flip-flop for **** sake. With the exception this lovely photo-ops you blokes posted here & beside the country's weapons seems to be of dubious quality. I never once impressed by the quality of the Myanmar armed forces except when its used for parade.I can picture a Thai army taking Rangoon or Naypidaw or whatever, but not vice-versa.

 

[nufix]

No, the problem with Myanmar is that your weaker than you appear. Some of your soldiers still uses flip-flop for **** sake.

I think their infantry level equipments are not so different than Cambodian's, I have seen some photos of cambodian infantries fought in flips flops and saroong during thai-cambodian border clashes.

 

[Kutuzov]

Myanmar plans JF-17 production

Burma Times: 15 June 2014

The Government of Myanmar is planning to acquire technologies from China and Pakistan to build JF-17 multirole combat aircraft at its own aircraft factory to boost its Air Force.

If JF-17 production is carried out in Myanmar it may induce an arms race with neighbouring countries who would in turn acquire sufficient air defence capabilities of their own. The Royal Thai Air Force already operates 12 Saab JAS 39C/D Gripen’s whilst the Bangladesh Air Force is planning to acquire combat aircraft from China and Russia.

At present the Myanmar Air Force is composed of 23,000 personnel. It is primarily responsible for the air defence of Myanmar and counter insurgency operations in support of the ground forces.

There are 10 operational air bases in Myanmar where its inventory of up to 32 MiG-29B and MiG-29SE’s are stationed along with 25 older F-7M, 21 Nanchang A-5C and a mix of 16 Chinese and Serbian jet trainers used for ground attack roles besides providing pilot training. The air force is also equipped with 9 Mi-35 attack helicopters over 90 transport and utility helicopters. In recent times it acquired Chinese 11 Sky 02A UAV’s to perform basic surveillance missions. Another 24 has been built in-country as Yellow Cat A2. The fixed wing transportation fleet consists of 4 Shaanxi Y-8, 2 Fokker F-27, 2 ATR-72, 2 Harbin Y-12 and 5 Pilatus PC-6. Maritime surveillance is conducted by 5 unarmed Britten-Norman Islander aircraft transferred by India.

The force is plagued by serviceability issues due to lack of spare parts and trained manpower however introduction of JF-17 would mean that Myanmar Air Force will be investing in such areas to mitigate its short comings.

Author Tony David from Jane’s notes that “In both new fixed-wing and rotary-wing capabilities, regional analysts note that a lack of pilot experience and weaknesses in maintenance and ground-to-air links still limit the operational effectiveness of the [Myanmar Air Force],”

The JF-17 is a light weight single engine multi-role combat aircraft developed jointly by China and Pakistan. It can be armed with a variety of bombs and missiles including PL-5EII, PL-9C and PL-12 AAMs, C-802A anti-ship missiles, general purpose bombs, laser guided munitions and countermeasures on its 7 hard points (four underwing, 2 wingtip, 1 under fuselage). The aircraft’s standard set of armaments are supplemented by a 23 mm GSh-23-2 twin barrel cannon or 30 mm version of the same.

The avionics suite includes DEEC electronic warfare suite, NRIET KLJ-7 multi-mode fire control radar, night vision goggles compatible with glass cockpit, helmet mounted sights (HMS) and externally mounted pods such as KG-300G self-protection radar jamming pod and WMD-7 day/night targeting pod.

A Russian RD-93 powers the JF-17 to a maximum speed of Mach 1.6. The combat radius of the aircraft is 1,352 km, ferry range being 3,482 km and service ceiling 16,920 m. The thrust to weight ratio on the aircraft is 0.95. Its maximum takeoff weight is 12,383 kg.
The standard export price for the JF-17 Block I is $20 million and Block 2 being $25 million.
Pakistan Air Force is the lone operator of the JF-17 with 54 aircraft operational including 6 prototypes.

The JF-17 was offered to the Bangladesh Air Force on numerous occasions but it was declined in favour of more sophisticated multi-role combat aircraft from China and Russia.

@http://Myanmar looks to acquire JF-17 aircraft - IHS Jane's 360
@http://burmatimes.net/myanmar-plans-jf-17-production/

Eurosatory 2014: France's Nexter exports Nerva UGV to Myanmar

Nexter Robotics has delivered two Nerva mini unmanned ground vehicles (UGVs) to Myanmar, the company confirmed to IHS Jane's at Eurosatory 2014 in Paris.

The two 4 kg Nerva 4x4 mini-robots will be tested by Myanmar and could meet a total requirement estimated at 50 robots. Myanmar ordered the systems in November 2013.

Nerva has been designed to meet military specifications, and is designed for all-weather, all-terrain usage, with a robust (throwable) design and is backpack transportable.

Designed for military users, Nerva is being sold under civilian contract for Myanmar, in order to avoid any blockade from French government export commission. Accordingly, the system's electro-optic infrared (EOIR) sensor has been downgraded in order not to fall foul of export restrictions of military technology to Myanmar. They have, however, been fitted with additional battery packs to provide an improved 24 hours of operational capability.

Speaking to IHS Jane's , company director Joël Morillon said that Nexter Robotics has also entered into advanced negotiations with Vietnam and the Philippines to provide 10 robots to each country.

First showcased in Paris at Eurosatory 2012, this is the first contract for the Nerva UGV. The system has also been tested by the French Army's 13th Parachute Dragoon Regiment special forces unit. Their "impressions were enthusiastic" Morillon said. France's Gendarmerie special forces unit, the GIGN, is also understood to soon begin trials of a Nerva fitted with non-lethal weapons systems.

The Nerva can be fitted with a wide variety of sensors, including day/EOIR cameras, and explosive ordnance disposal systems. Nexter Robotics has also created a smaller 2x2 version, called Nerva S, and is currently working on a larger 6x6 UGV.

@http://Eurosatory 2014: France's Nexter exports Nerva UGV to Myanmar - IHS Jane's 360

 

[BDforever]

I think their infantry level equipments are not so different than Cambodian's, I have seen some photos of cambodian infantries fought in flips flops and saroong during thai-cambodian border clashes.

BD infantry

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Myanmar plans JF-17 production

Burma Times: 15 June 2014

The Government of Myanmar is planning to acquire technologies from China and Pakistan to build JF-17 multirole combat aircraft at its own aircraft factory to boost its Air Force.

If JF-17 production is carried out in Myanmar it may induce an arms race with neighbouring countries who would in turn acquire sufficient air defence capabilities of their own. The Royal Thai Air Force already operates 12 Saab JAS 39C/D Gripen’s whilst the Bangladesh Air Force is planning to acquire combat aircraft from China and Russia.

At present the Myanmar Air Force is composed of 23,000 personnel. It is primarily responsible for the air defence of Myanmar and counter insurgency operations in support of the ground forces.

There are 10 operational air bases in Myanmar where its inventory of up to 32 MiG-29B and MiG-29SE’s are stationed along with 25 older F-7M, 21 Nanchang A-5C and a mix of 16 Chinese and Serbian jet trainers used for ground attack roles besides providing pilot training. The air force is also equipped with 9 Mi-35 attack helicopters over 90 transport and utility helicopters. In recent times it acquired Chinese 11 Sky 02A UAV’s to perform basic surveillance missions. Another 24 has been built in-country as Yellow Cat A2. The fixed wing transportation fleet consists of 4 Shaanxi Y-8, 2 Fokker F-27, 2 ATR-72, 2 Harbin Y-12 and 5 Pilatus PC-6. Maritime surveillance is conducted by 5 unarmed Britten-Norman Islander aircraft transferred by India.

The force is plagued by serviceability issues due to lack of spare parts and trained manpower however introduction of JF-17 would mean that Myanmar Air Force will be investing in such areas to mitigate its short comings.

Author Tony David from Jane’s notes that “In both new fixed-wing and rotary-wing capabilities, regional analysts note that a lack of pilot experience and weaknesses in maintenance and ground-to-air links still limit the operational effectiveness of the [Myanmar Air Force],”

The JF-17 is a light weight single engine multi-role combat aircraft developed jointly by China and Pakistan. It can be armed with a variety of bombs and missiles including PL-5EII, PL-9C and PL-12 AAMs, C-802A anti-ship missiles, general purpose bombs, laser guided munitions and countermeasures on its 7 hard points (four underwing, 2 wingtip, 1 under fuselage). The aircraft’s standard set of armaments are supplemented by a 23 mm GSh-23-2 twin barrel cannon or 30 mm version of the same.

The avionics suite includes DEEC electronic warfare suite, NRIET KLJ-7 multi-mode fire control radar, night vision goggles compatible with glass cockpit, helmet mounted sights (HMS) and externally mounted pods such as KG-300G self-protection radar jamming pod and WMD-7 day/night targeting pod.

A Russian RD-93 powers the JF-17 to a maximum speed of Mach 1.6. The combat radius of the aircraft is 1,352 km, ferry range being 3,482 km and service ceiling 16,920 m. The thrust to weight ratio on the aircraft is 0.95. Its maximum takeoff weight is 12,383 kg.
The standard export price for the JF-17 Block I is $20 million and Block 2 being $25 million.
Pakistan Air Force is the lone operator of the JF-17 with 54 aircraft operational including 6 prototypes.

The JF-17 was offered to the Bangladesh Air Force on numerous occasions but it was declined in favour of more sophisticated multi-role combat aircraft from China and Russia.

@http://Myanmar looks to acquire JF-17 aircraft - IHS Jane's 360
@http://burmatimes.net/myanmar-plans-jf-17-production/

Eurosatory 2014: France's Nexter exports Nerva UGV to Myanmar

Nexter Robotics has delivered two Nerva mini unmanned ground vehicles (UGVs) to Myanmar, the company confirmed to IHS Jane's at Eurosatory 2014 in Paris.

The two 4 kg Nerva 4x4 mini-robots will be tested by Myanmar and could meet a total requirement estimated at 50 robots. Myanmar ordered the systems in November 2013.

Nerva has been designed to meet military specifications, and is designed for all-weather, all-terrain usage, with a robust (throwable) design and is backpack transportable.

Designed for military users, Nerva is being sold under civilian contract for Myanmar, in order to avoid any blockade from French government export commission. Accordingly, the system's electro-optic infrared (EOIR) sensor has been downgraded in order not to fall foul of export restrictions of military technology to Myanmar. They have, however, been fitted with additional battery packs to provide an improved 24 hours of operational capability.

Speaking to IHS Jane's , company director Joël Morillon said that Nexter Robotics has also entered into advanced negotiations with Vietnam and the Philippines to provide 10 robots to each country.

First showcased in Paris at Eurosatory 2012, this is the first contract for the Nerva UGV. The system has also been tested by the French Army's 13th Parachute Dragoon Regiment special forces unit. Their "impressions were enthusiastic" Morillon said. France's Gendarmerie special forces unit, the GIGN, is also understood to soon begin trials of a Nerva fitted with non-lethal weapons systems.

The Nerva can be fitted with a wide variety of sensors, including day/EOIR cameras, and explosive ordnance disposal systems. Nexter Robotics has also created a smaller 2x2 version, called Nerva S, and is currently working on a larger 6x6 UGV.

@http://Eurosatory 2014: France's Nexter exports Nerva UGV to Myanmar - IHS Jane's 360

The specs n price of JF-17 seem to be taken from wikipedia.. Outdated n not accurate. N nor was it offered to Bangladesh .. Bd showed interest in it.. N bought F-7s from china ..

 

[Kutuzov]

The specs n price of JF-17 seem to be taken from wikipedia.. Outdated n not accurate. N nor was it offered to Bangladesh .. Bd showed interest in it.. N bought F-7s from china ..

32 A/Cs will be assembled in Meikhtila, Myanmar.
Production will be finished by 2016.