My view on Iran

[nirreich]

This coming from an Israili. Strange to my eyes.

In Israel we have a democratically elected government by all citizens, and Israel's policy will never be to kill innocent people. On the other hand, the current regime of Iran is not democratically elected, there is no possibility to change the current ruling Ayatollahs, and they advocate murdering anyone who oppose them: in Iran and in the region. Similar problem exist in Pakistan with its Army in control and with no moral problem to murder his opponents.

Hence, you should get use to Israelis condemning barbaric regimes like in Iran and in Pakistan.

 

[Zabaniyah]

I forced to start this thread to show exactly my view on Iran and who I defend, please don't mess up this thread as its for peaceful discussion.

Okay, well I was 8 years old when I alongside my family left Iran and came here in the U.K.
alot of people here think I am an anti-islamic person but in reality I only dislike the Idea of an Islamic Iran, you see I am an atheist and I believe all religions are an Ideology, so I hate the Idea of persians following an arabic ideology called Islam.

When I was on school in Iran and I was about 7 years old I actually won a quran competition, where we had to sing (I don't know what it actually called) some parts of quran, and I actually won, so I was a very religious Person when I was in Iran. when i came to the UK I realised the glory of ancient Iran such as the time of the Zoroastrian kings cyrus,darius etc this was something i did not get taught in Iran because in Iran they keep everything Islamic and I realised how from a young age the regime fills head of the youth with junk and forces them to follow their ideology...I am now extremely anti islamic Iran and always will be. I believe everyone in Iran should have the right to choose their own religion and not get forced, our very great nation of Persian was created in that great image by the great Cyrus...he is a symbol of resistance to current day Iran to me, because he stood for freedom.

My family were Zoroastrian originally but where extremely opressed by the regime to a point where they actually had to follow Islam just to be accepted. My brother was kicked out of uni in Iran just because he said he will always value our ancient root over this current BS.

Even isrealis these days respect out culture more than these other peoples in the region, people like redbeard in this forum disrispect our great religion Zorasotrain by saying we worship fire, which is weird since if that is true then that means muslims must worship mecca since they face it when they pray...Zoroatrians face towards light when they pray whether Its the sun or fire, it does not mean they worship it.

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I dont dislike Islam as a whole, I have pakistani,Iraqi muslim friends who I get on with fine and they respect my opinion, I Hope people in Iran know how I feel, And please dont see me as some sort of enemy of yours, All I want is our nation to be Great again and not be run by another countries culture.

I am sorry to hear about your loss. And hope you experience many returns in life.

Well, for starters...I am not a great fan of the current Iranian regime. You see, the flaw in their thinking is that they are Islam. They believe that they alone represent Islam as a whole. This is factually flawed.

Imams are not supposed to be politicians and heads of state.

I am a great admirer of Cyrus the Great. And Persian history and culture. Frankly, I do not see how and where the mullahs in charge are heading the entire country.

Further, it seems that there are various splinter groups in the Middle East fueled by the Iranian regime. You see, they know that Iran is militarily no match against the USA. So they set these splinter groups all around the Middle East to make it hard for the Americans and others in the region.

Although, it'd be agreeable that Iran safeguards its sovereignty and interests from foreign hostile powers. At the same time, the mullahs in charge do not want to lose power no matter what. The bigots are actually dividing people with the Shia-Sunni card.

Can't say that the Arabs are innocent though

 

[nirreich]

oooo man ... it is a big nonsense!!!

Of course you are right. Your carefully chosen and articulated argument convinced me. If you say so of course it is nonsense.

 

[T-Rex]

and Israel's policy will never be to kill innocent people.

Yeah, israel's policy is to kill 'terrorist' children going to school with their fathers!

 

[nirreich]

Yeah, israel's policy is to kill 'terrorist' children going to school with their fathers!

That only happens in Bangladesh, not in Israel. Writing lies in bold letters will not increase their credibility, but nice try.

 

[T-Rex]

That only happens in Bangladesh, not in Israel. Writing lies in bold letters will not increase their credibility, but nice try.

No, it happened in occupied Palestine and the culprits were israeli soldiers!

 

[nirreich]

No, it happened in occupied Palestine and the culprits were israeli soldiers!

Repeating lies in bold letters is pathetic.

Read the title of this thread - your nonsense is not the topic.

 

[nirreich]

Your lies never convinced me and I know you're too slow to understand that.

I am stopping with this quarrel because this is not the issue, so if you want to continue with your slandering, go somewhere else.

 

[PERSIAN GOD KING]

Guys please keep the thread about what its about.

 

[yahya07]

Arabic ideology? Do you know how much of our understanding of Islam was contributed by Persian scholars?

Hakim al-Nishaburi , Imām Abū Ḥanīfah, Al-Shafi‘i are just some of them.

 

[PERSIAN GOD KING]

^^
I did not say we did not contribute. Iranian contribute to string theory but that does not mean an Iranian created it.

 

[yahya07]

^^
I did not say we did not contribute. Iranian contribute to string theory but that does not mean an Iranian created it.

Never claimed Iran created Islam. My point is Islam isn't some monolithic "ideology" that spurned from Arabia. Our knowledge of Islam has evolved over time with contributions from many different cultures and races, and this has been right from the beginning. It is certainly not an "Arab" product.

I also never understand this logic, if Islam came from Iran would people call it a "persian idealogy", or china a "chinese idealogy" etc. It doesn't matter where an idea or religion originates but the actual content does. i think there is always an undercurrent of racism when people say this, hinting arabs are an "inferior" race, hence have an "inferior" religion.

 

[Takaavar]

well you say so because you consider Islam an ideology but muslims themselves (I for one) do not consider it an Arabic thing

 

[dabong1]

Your understanding and knowledge about Israel is even smaller than my understanding about KSA. Israel is a pluralistic society with Jewish religious communities of all kind, some are more modern than then others. And this was always the situation. Religious people in Israel has the right for freedom of expression, so they can say what they want, but there is a long distance of Israel becoming a religious state like KSA.

But you right about the dangers with religious-run countries, and I hope Iran will be free from this situation soon.

Your country isreal was made because of religion.....whats the chance of getting a palestinian as president or PM of your country?

 

[Takaavar]

It doesn't matter where an idea or religion originates but the actual content does

Exactly.......