Muslims mob attacks Christian villagers in Kasur district

[Durran3]

no dont get me wrong!
I unequivocally condemn such behavior everywhere!
It sickens me...my point was that...when such stuff happens in India...most people here bash us like anything...and forget that such stuff is prevalent in most countries with diversity and limited literacy.
my country has suffered a lot because of intolerance of some renegade groups who claim to represent the majority...I feel what you must be feeling.
there'd be a day when education would enlighten everyone and such things would be avoided...but that doesn't mean that pakistan doesn't care for it's minorities today...or that India is nonsecular.

Its close to impossible in educating people with considering the population size of both our countries. Higher Population leads to economic problems, social problems, inequality, lack of education, health and many other issues. Many people in Pakistan for e.g especially in villages have more than 6 kids because they believe it helps having many children

Countries who dont have a high population tend to do much better in terms of all things i listed above

 

[Durran3]

Muslim Students in India beaten by Hindus... - uTube.com.pk - All About Broadcasting Yourself

The above video graphically highlights sergente rehans post.

You will see 2 Muslim students being beaten by about 50 Hindus, with the Indian police just standing there letting it happen.

Thats completely bullshit learn to do a little research before posting your videos next time..Here is the real video..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=IN&hl=en-GB&v=Opy-a1M__GQ

These guys were of the lower caste (dalits i believe in india) nothing to do with Muslims.. Terrible terrible video nonethless and shameful to say the least

 

[fhassan]

Thats completely bullshit.. here is the real video.. These guys were of the lower caste (dalits i believe in india) nothing to do with Muslims.. Terrible terrible video nonethless and shameful to say the least

Ok, thanks for that.

Seems that very few believe that these are Muslims being beaten and so there may be some truth to that.

Some have said that these are lower castes of India, some say they are Tamils, and some even say that this was a fight between two student groups.

Conflicting reports all the way...For me personally, them being Muslim is the only explanation why the police just stood and watched, but I may be mistaken.

 

[Durran3]

Ok, thanks for that.

Seems that very few believe that these are Muslims being beaten and so there may be some truth to that.

Some have said that these are lower castes of India, some say they are Tamils, and some even say that this was a fight between two student groups.

Conflicting reports all the way...For me personally, them being Muslim is the only explanation why the police just stood and watched, but I may be mistaken.

I would rather listen to the official national news report than 'Assume' they are Muslim because i want to ..

Thats one problem i have with Muslims is that they like to assume and believe things which even if its not true want to prove that its against them for some odd reason. Muslims enjoy having people against them and posting links, videos and label them as facts and show as if Muslims are oppressed even if its not true..Am i the only one who finds this ridiculous?.

 

[TruthSeeker]

fhassan, Sir:

It seems, to speak about Dhimmitude, is no longer acceptable. The moment one broaches this subject strong feelings are easily aroused among Muslims. Nevertheless, I go forth to the fury.....

The dhimmi is someone who lives in a Muslim society without being a Muslim (Jews, Christians, and occasionally "animists"). He has a particular social, political, and economic status.

Dhimmitude is rooted in a Qur’anic tradition, and was codified in the legal arrangements that covered every aspect of the lives of non-Muslims living within Daru’l Islam. It cannot be altered or changed without doing violence to the very essence of Islam. Non-Muslims do not and cannot have the same rights as Muslims. By their very persistence in remaining as non-believers living under the rule of their Muslim conquerors, they give evidence to their stubbornness and faithlessness. Thus a non-Muslim is regarded as a Kafir or a Mushrik.

The word Dhimmi means “protégé” or “protected person.” This is one of the arguments of the modern defenders of Islam: the dhimmi has never been persecuted or maltreated (except accidentally); on the contrary, he was a protected person. What better example could illustrate Islam’s liberalism. Here are people who do not accept Islam and, instead of being expelled, they are protected. When this Kafir lives in Islamic countries, he is protected . Against who?, against the Muslims themselves ... sometimes.

Even so, dhimmitude is not an inherent right for a Christian, a Jew, or a Zoroastrian; in Islam, it remains a given or a granted right that can be revoked any time.

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Why is it so that when ever there is such an incident, Indians and Pakistanis start fighting like children..... Incidents happen and its our responsibility to stop these, instead of saying that this same happens across the border so it OK.

Grow up People!

No body is saying that it's OK if its happen across the border. The Point is why Indians come and lecture us for Human rights when they are don't the same.

Yes two wrong doesn't make one right but before pointing fingers on others one should look into their own affairs too.

The world buys how you sell your self and Indians sells them as Gandhi and Muslims as extremists.

 

[fhassan]

Brother truth seeker

A link to your source of truth would have sufficed.

Nevertheless, I will go through your material and even the site from where you got it; you have only reproduced a fraction of the material here for me to read.

Expect a refutation within a few days (probably by tuesday, as I am busy on weekend. I will also post some historical documents translated by non-Muslim scholars which are very interesting indeed)

 

[fhassan]

Thats one problem i have with Muslims is that they like to assume and believe things which even if its not true want to prove that its against them for some odd reason.

Stop hyperventilating.

My “assumptions” are well grounded and are based on several instances in the past that tie in with what I “assumed” originally. I read a report recently commissioned by an American agency commenting on the Gujarat riots; the similarity between that report and what I saw in the video was uncanny.

Moreover, I was not aware that the Indian police exhibited a similar attitude towards “lower caste” individuals and that is why I found it hard to believe.

 

[vandemataram]

Why there is capital punishment in India for crimes like murder, mutiny, terrorist activity? What if India hanged the wrong one? Executing the innocent is heinous than chopping a hand. Isn’t it?

Don't come - Indians perfect

It’s the responsibly of the govt. to appoint judges on merit. Besides that, there is a 3-tier system of judiciary in place in Pakistan where one can appeal if not happy with the verdict.

The minimum crime rate in the world is in Saudi Arabia, not in countries of highest literacy/wealth. The reason: Islamic laws implemented in true spirit there.

Hello there is no capital punicshment for any of those you mention...the last capital punishment awarded by the Hon. Supreme Court of India was an explemplary one whn the accused raped and killed a minor school girl ....

That was it....and let me tell you India is the only country in the world where the number of convicts awaiting death sentnces are the highest ..just because of the fact that it is just not executed ..citing various mercy petitions and activities of Human Rights Commission ...and even in this case there was a lot of writing in the newspapers and the media...

And that is why Mohammad Afzal Guru is still awaitng the Gallows...thank you

Wake up ..India is no Pakistan.....

 

[vandemataram]

@Gin ka Pakistan

Leave India out of it. You can NOT simply compare human rights violations and vandalizing of minorities in both courtiers.

Brutal killing & rape of Muslims in Kashmir & Gujarat, the genocide of Sikhs under the covert of Indra Gandhi assassination and persecution & murder of Christians in Andhra Pradesh puts any ‘human being’ on shame.

So does Jizya of Rs 6 million from the Hindus to ensure that they live in Pakistan ...this is Jannat ...accroding to you ...isnt it ?

Or threatening the Sikhs to pay Jizya or to leave thier houses is the blissful heaven that you think you are goin to go to ...


great way of turning away tides...hello the discussion is of Pakistan and the intolerance of other religions...and here we see that there exists an anomaly..

Even if everything is true for Gujarat, that is an incident...every day Hindus do not kill Mussalmans in Gujarat or in India...

And yes...do you think the Muslims were hiding in their houses when Hindu mobs were attacking and killing them?

Ya fir aapko lagta hai woh log chudiyan pehen ke baithe the? Bataiye....

 

[paritosh]

Why were the police just standing ther letting it happen?

Moreover, it does not look like a fight between "two parties" - it's dozens on one side beating up two individuals on another side.

The police in India are well known for allowing Muslims being beaten, Gujarat is another example where some police even took part in the riots.

well...why the police did not take action is another story.you should be more careful with your references.

 

[paritosh]

Its close to impossible in educating people with considering the population size of both our countries. Higher Population leads to economic problems, social problems, inequality, lack of education, health and many other issues. Many people in Pakistan for e.g especially in villages have more than 6 kids because they believe it helps having many children

Countries who dont have a high population tend to do much better in terms of all things i listed above

I agree...but educating the masses is the only way...it's awfully slow though.as long as people put religion before the concept of being in a nation of diversity and differences...laws alone wont stop them from engaging in 'social cleansing'.

 

[Durran3]

Stop hyperventilating.

My “assumptions” are well grounded and are based on several instances in the past that tie in with what I “assumed” originally. I read a report recently commissioned by an American agency commenting on the Gujarat riots; the similarity between that report and what I saw in the video was uncanny.

Moreover, I was not aware that the Indian police exhibited a similar attitude towards “lower caste” individuals and that is why I found it hard to believe.

Your assumptions are not well grounded as you need proper references to stand on what you think, assume or believe in especially if your telling someone else about it. Its true that the Gujrat massacre was a terrible and a disgraceful thing, its well documented, debated and is known everywhere, but just because that happened doesn't mean every video in India where someone is being beaten has to do with him being a Muslim.

Although i agree with you on the Police part, i think all those policemen who were standing there should be stripped off of their rights as police officers and never enrolled again in any security job. They should be fired and the officer, commisioner who ever was in charge of that needs to be fired immediatly as well. I can't even imagine what went on the minds of the family members. The Cast system in India is a terrible shameful thing to say the least and its sad that it exists in this day and age.

Ironically this incident took place at a 'Law' college, go figure!!

 

[paritosh]

Stop hyperventilating.

My “assumptions” are well grounded and are based on several instances in the past that tie in with what I “assumed” originally. I read a report recently commissioned by an American agency commenting on the Gujarat riots; the similarity between that report and what I saw in the video was uncanny.

your criticism of the gujrat police is understandable...and indisputable.
but do not generalize on that.Recent trends in India are promising.Take for example,The malegaon blasts in mumbai were aimeda t incite communal riots...they failed miserably when the hindua and muslims condemned the blasts and rallied together.Even the election results show a clear want of secularism over hindutva.
This thread is not about India...so let's refrain from making comparisons

Moreover, I was not aware that the Indian police exhibited a similar attitude towards “lower caste” individuals and that is why I found it hard to believe.

the police officers you saw were suspended and the DCP was either suspended or transferred.

 

[muse]

Lets first sort some things out - This Dhimmi and Jiziya business - there no such laws upheld in Pakistan - this is a canard and should have no place in this conversation.

"No body is saying that it's OK if its happen across the border. The Point is why Indians come and lecture us for Human rights when they are don't the same"


Well, if it is not OK, why do you care where the criticism comes from - you should be glad because wrong is wrong, is wrong!!!!
Seems as if even though you say it's wrong, you have not internalized that it is a crime against Pakistanis, you are more concerned what the Indian has to say simply because he or she is "indian" than the fact that a great crime against Pakistanis and the idea of Pakistan appears to have been committed.