Muslims in India fear for their future under Narendra Modi

[Tom M]

Do you know how to count or did your papa Modi give these figures to you?

Well with the counting logic you displayed in this thread, it would be not less than 30 Million minimum in East Pakistan.

Look we believe in live and let live

We have very few expectations from Muslims and Christians. How difficult it is to fulfill them
1 Don't plant bombs and go on shooting spree in railway stations
2 Don't pelt stones
3 Don't burn down railway coaches
4 Don't smuggle cows
5 Don't make open provocation to Hindus that see we are eating what you consider sacred
6 Don't multiply like rabbits
7 Don't use underhanded illegal rice bag conversion tactics
8 Don't do love jihad
9 don't dress up as ninjas and expect other people to be comfortable in interacting with you
10 Don't destroy temples to build your Masjid

Tell me are these expectations so hard to fulfill

Well is this your analogy of "Live and let live" ????

Then sorry it's a perfect recipe of disaster, but I guess guy's like you will be perfectly OK with the idea of losing few of your family members and loved ones in the ensuing riots or even a civil war (in extreme case) just to uphold your idea of nationalism. All the best.

 

[Viny]

who are you trying to fool here with your low IQ response? your own govt consider them most backward among backwards.

even if someone accept your narrative, then answer How much % of your parliament is Muslim? when was the last time they got their representation according to their population? This is nothing but systematic oppression and discrimination against Bharati Muslims.

true, you never believed and you will never believe bcoz you Hindus desire to treat bharati Muslims like lowly voiceless third grade subhumans not citizens, and i proved it with stats.

blabbering, No one is asking for separate electorate, neither we have separate elections or election rolls for minorities in Pakistan. We have quota of Seats for Women and minorities which is awarded according to seat share of parties, all Women and minorities except Qadiyanis are allowed to contest Elections on General seats.

No, the few we have in parliament are doing fine Jobs, at least they can whine about their problem in parliament and make sure they are not treated as subhumans like gangadeshi Muslims. They can talk about Jobs, They can talk about personal community laws etc.

i understand, there is no chance Hindutva will ever give scattered Muslim population their share. they will always be massacred, treated worst then subhumans and under represented on every forum. Hence they should try to deal it with systematic manner, migrate to west bengal and Kerala and turn them into Muslim majority states.

Nor i claimed their is constitutional bar. their is systematic discrimination and oppression by Hindu PMs, MPs, Cheif Ministers, they reward their major communities and voters and dont give two hoots about minority and its backed by stats.

Dear Sir, Parliament is not a religions congression. Its a governing body of of country, which has to work for welfare of each indian. Thus the cast, color, religion etc doesnt matter. When decisions are made here its made for Indians. Any parliamentarian irrespective of his reglious beliefs have to work for every member in his constituency. So if any group of people are having a problem, they can report to there elected minister to raise the concerns.

This in inline to ethos of secularism that India follows and thats what differs here unlike yours being Islamic state, which in order to safeguard other religions need there representatives.

 

[Soumitra]

Words of a true Nazi, congrats for proving your credentials.

Which of the 10 points look like Nazi to you?

Well is this your analogy of "Live and let live" ????

Then sorry it's a perfect recipe of disaster, but I guess guy's like you will be perfectly OK with the idea of losing few of your family members and loved ones in the ensuing riots or even a civil war (in extreme case) just to uphold your idea of nationalism. All the best.

Which of these 10 points will lead to riots and civil war?

 

[Max]

Any parliamentarian irrespective of his reglious beliefs have to work for every member in his constituency.

in ideal world it should be the case but its not the case in bharat, Plz read articles about Sachar commission report. 15% Muslims have less then 3% Jobs and are most backward among backwards, its due to discrimination.

Dear Sir, Parliament is not a religions congression

i agree, but its parliaments responsibility to protect the rights of minorities and giving them rights, are 15% Indians who happen to be Muslims dont deserve proportional representation in parliament? if you are against proportional, why dont parties give 15% direct tickets to Muslim candidates so they can have voice?

 

[Viny]

in ideal world it should be the case but its not the case in bharat, Plz read articles about Sachar commission report. 15% Muslims have less then 3% Jobs and are most backward among backwards, its nothing but due to discrimination.

Did you also read about that over 35% non muslims dont even have even 1% of reserved Jobs?
Various states give anywhere between 3-6% reservations in jobs for muslims.
Given that we have 15% muslims, 3-6% reservations means reservation available to 20-40% of muslim population.
And given that we have arround 23% people who are below poverty, if we are offering jobs to more than 20% of muslim population that means we are able to take care of poors in the given community. Going by that its fair to say they probably have more then required share in reservations.

i agree, but its parliaments responsibility to protect the rights of minorities and giving them rights, are 15% Indians who happen to be Muslims dont deserve proportional representation in parliament? if you are against proportional,

We have a ministry of minority affairs, its the job of that ministry to protect rights of minorities.
Representation in parliament is of people elected by public and not religion elected by public. So parliamentarians collectively work towards protecting rights of every individual including minorities . Any you know till date this ministry is headed by someone from minority community itself.


There use to be ministry of minority affairs in pakistan which then became ministry of national harmony which further diluted to ministry of religious affairs , in totality minorities are just given lolipops on the name of reservations in parliament.

why dont parties give 15% direct tickets to Muslim candidates so they can have voice?

We are not a religious state, so our parliamentarian elections are not fought on basis of religious representation.
Going by your logic, every community will then ask for there reservations to represent there rights. Say group of industrial labours will say we are X% give us reservations, unorganized labour will say y% give us represetnation to put our rights and then business house will say we are z% give us rights to represent so that present our case.
This is not how parliament works. To represent this various groups interests we have ministries like ministry of commerce, ministry of labour employment etc etc.

Each ministry then have organizational structure working at central level similarly at state levels too which then co-ordinate together to bring there issues and representations.

I think you need to read more about a democratic secular parliamentarian system of governance to understand how good this structure works.

 

[namefield_empty]

15% Muslims have less then 3% Jobs and are most backward among backwards, its due to discrimination.

The number of muslims in government jobs have doubled in the last 5 years. Recruitment in the private sector is merit based, there is no concept of positive discrimination in the private sector. Yet, there has been a sustained campaign from the government via the Affirmative Action policy to urge the private sector to enrol more muslims. But efforts have to be made from both parties, madrassa education in its traditional form won't produce technically qualified and skillful workers that private sector seeks to hire. It is only in the last couple of years that our Madrassas in some states have started changing their curriculum to incorporate science based teachings and vocational training.

As it was already pointed out to you, many muslims are engaged gainfully in their traditional businesses and in the informal sector and with reforms in the Madrassa curriculum more of them can compete with those from other communities.

 

[Gadkari]

Meanwhile Muslims are so "scared" that they have announced from mosques that Hindus should leave Muslim majority villages in west Bengal and there is a mass exodus happening.

Illegal Bangladeshi Muslims are forcing Hindus to Leave their village in BagaKhali, West Bengal

https://twitter.com/x/status/1128629134920306690

https://twitter.com/x/status/1128646671766671360

Illegal Muslim immigrants burnt Hindu houses in Bagakhali in West Bengal

https://twitter.com/x/status/1128667911382417408

 

[namefield_empty]

Illegal Bangladeshi Muslims are forcing Hindus to Leave their village in BagaKhali, West

The situation is no better in Assam, illegal and legal Bengali speaking muslims clashed with the Hindus in Hailakandi after they were stopped from offering namaz on a public road. They went on a rampage pelting stones and selectively targeting Hindu shops by looting and burning them. Those lecturing us on minorities wouldn't have let the minorities get away unpunished had it happened in their country.

 

[Vanamali]

Pakistan is flourishing so much that Indian and Bangladeshi muslims are repenting for not joining Pakistan. Anyday Indian Muslim us better than Pakistani Muslim.

One new Muslim country in Making from india. Suggest name

Pukistan.....

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Indians are so obsessed, they are coming in hordes to a Pakistani forum.

Their very existence here proves how important we are in their minds.

 

[Max]

The number of muslims in government jobs have doubled in the last 5 years. Recruitment in the private sector is merit based, there is no concept of positive discrimination in the private sector. Yet, there has been a sustained campaign from the government via the Affirmative Action policy to urge the private sector to enrol more muslims. But efforts have to be made from both parties, madrassa education in its traditional form won't produce technically qualified and skillful workers that private sector seeks to hire. It is only in the last couple of years that our Madrassas in some states have started changing their curriculum to incorporate science based teachings and vocational training.

As it was already pointed out to you, many muslims are engaged gainfully in their traditional businesses and in the informal sector and with reforms in the Madrassa curriculum more of them can compete with those from other communities.

doubled? Says who? Modi Media or any reputed independent organization?

who is talking about quota in private sector? we were discussing about representation in parliament, Govt Jobs, Bureaucracy, Military, etc. So now you want to sell manjan that Madrassa are reason behind all this?

Sorry we discussed enough. people can reach on conclusion.

Did you also read about that over 35% non muslims dont even have even 1% of reserved Jobs?

What this got to with discrimination against Muslims or what i stated? those 35% maybe well off and not considered most backward communities by your Govt.

We have a ministry of minority affairs, its the job of that ministry to protect rights of minorities.

It failed miserably when it comes to Muslims of Bharat.

There use to be ministry of minority affairs in pakistan which then became ministry of national harmony which further diluted to ministry of religious affairs , in totality minorities are just given lolipops on the name of reservations in parliament.

it failed miserably in Pakistan too and have no job except organizing Hajj, few reports and seminars., we are good without it, Christians and Hindus can take other technical ministries where they have to work hard. i am more for proportional representation in parliament and Govt jobs then any ministry.

We are not a religious state, so our parliamentarian elections are not fought on basis of religious representation.

Yeah We Pakistani fight elections on Hindutva and teaching lesson to Muslims. our Cheif Minister of Punjab say says kill 10 Muslims if they kill 1 Pakistani. you are democratic shupppppaaaa powwwaaaa..

do you think we live in cave? Do you think we are low IQ chu****.. just say we Hindu want Muslims to be third grade subhumans always under thumb of Hindus.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ts-fear/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b0ec19682fa8

 

[Mamadouso]

I really feel for them. There was a time when India had a good impression, now it is like a fraying cloth. The irony is that India as multicultural it had its glory - it is simply too diverse to be a Hindu state, too many minorities exist and they will all be stamped on by majority rule.

 

[hussain0216]

Meanwhile Muslims are so "scared" that they have announced from mosques that Hindus should leave Muslim majority villages in west Bengal and there is a mass exodus happening.

Illegal Bangladeshi Muslims are forcing Hindus to Leave their village in BagaKhali, West Bengal

https://twitter.com/x/status/1128629134920306690

https://twitter.com/x/status/1128646671766671360

Illegal Muslim immigrants burnt Hindu houses in Bagakhali in West Bengal

https://twitter.com/x/status/1128667911382417408

They have no option

They are forced to create muslim majority areas for protection as hindutva increases

 

[Gadkari]

I really feel for them. There was a time when India had a good impression, now it is like a fraying cloth. The irony is that India as multicultural it had its glory - it is simply too diverse to be a Hindu state, too many minorities exist and they will all be stamped on by majority rule.

Yes, too bad the Hindus are not allowing the muslims to basked in their reflected glory.

Now compare how the Hindus were ethnically cleansed out of kashmir , and now out of West Bengal with the Buddhist Myanmar who kicked out the Rohigya.

West bengal which gave refuge to those same Rohigyas (and earlier Bangladeshis) is now being reward by having their homes burnt down and being asked to leave their homeland.

What a shame that "hindutva" India is shameless enough to expose this acts and showcase muslim behavior without being apologetic about it.

If only we could pretend that Hindu lives does not matter, we would regain our "image". How exciting.

They have no option

They are forced to create muslim majority areas for protection as hindutva increases

Ah yes, like Gandhi said. Its the fault of the Hindus

Its always the fault of the Hindus ....... when muslims attack them.

 

[hussain0216]

I really feel for them. There was a time when India had a good impression, now it is like a fraying cloth. The irony is that India as multicultural it had its glory - it is simply too diverse to be a Hindu state, too many minorities exist and they will all be stamped on by majority rule.

Its actually reaaaallly stupid what the indians or shoul i say hindus are doing

Ah yes, like Gandhi said. Its the fault of the Hindus

Its always the fault of the Hindus ....... when muslims attack them

Yep, hindutva is extremism and as its poison spreads

Indians who are not hibdutva will have to create safe zones