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Communist:

Totally on different topic. My brother is "commrade" too. He really believes in Bhagat Singh's ideas and if I am correct he is a member of "Taraksheel society", dedicated to eliminate tantarism, superstions and many other things.
 
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Communist:

Totally on different topic. My brother is "commrade" too. He really believes in Bhagat Singh's ideas and if I am correct he is a member of "Taraksheel society", dedicated to eliminate tantarism, superstions and many other things.

Nice to know that. Harkishan Singh Surjeet is still remembered and revered by the communist party members. He was a Sikh by birth. He was a good person.
And Bhagat Singh is one of my idols.
 
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provided that the third party cannot form a govt of their own,it would have been wise to be with the congress for the time being.....and after the elections force more of your men into the govt......btw the congress said they would rebuild the mosque in their manifesto i guess,what do you think,is this empty talks pre-election or a true promise??? I doubt the hindutva parties will ever let this happen....

Actually you know Congress has no ideology and without any ideology a Party becomes opportunistic since the party members and workers come from different sections to exploit the forum and serve their own interests. That is why Communist party maintains an ideology through Polit Bureau. No party has Polit Bureau. This is a system. Here no individual or group can exploit the issues for own interests.

And regarding this LS election, just wait for the result.
 
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Well if Indians are predicting of their politics so are their astrologers.

Indian astrologers predict coalition govt after polls - GEO.tv

I think that congress is the best party to uphold secular values in India though some experts say a revenge taste has been on Indias tongue and BJP is promising that which is terrible for secularism in India.

These stupid astrologers comes every election. If they could predict and tell you the future, why didn't they predict Mumbai attack and 9/11?

Anywho.. I was happy with congress/Left government. It ensured that communal forces were at bay and some educated people were at the helm. I didn't like what LEFT did during nuclear deal. Some time you have to grow beyoud your own beliefs and think nation first. Nuclear could solve India's energy needs.
 
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Well if Indians are predicting of their politics so are their astrologers.

Indian astrologers predict coalition govt after polls - GEO.tv

I think that congress is the best party to uphold secular values in India though some experts say a revenge taste has been on Indias tongue and BJP is promising that which is terrible for secularism in India.

yes you are correct,though congress is a secular and efficient govt they are considerd soft and weak to tackle terrorism and also in foreign affairs by many(though i think of their decsions as rather witty) ,on the other hand with all odds against them bjp promises total national security(though i think most of their politicians rather than competing in the elections,should go to jail,bloody communals they are)......so who are we left with-THE THIRD FRONT.....thnx
 
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yes you are correct,though congress is a secular and efficient govt they are considerd soft and weak to tackle terrorism and also in foreign affairs by many(though i think of their decsions as rather witty) ,on the other hand with all odds against them bjp promises total national security(though i think most of their politicians rather than competing in the elections,should go to jail,bloody communals they are)......so who are we left with-THE THIRD FRONT.....thnx

Third front is weak on foreign policy (anti-America, anti-Europe) and bad for economy.If have have decided to move in the capitalistic direction, I'd rather have us move decisively, not 10 years forward, 5 back sort of thing. I also hate to think that Mayavati, campaigning on a clearly caste-ist plank (SC/ST + Brahmin this time, apparently) will end up being the PM. I'd rather not see the country split by caste or religion. And then there is Dewe Gowda, the man who single handedly stalled the growth of Bangalore in 5 years.

I'll vote for the left in the local elections, but for the center, I don't think so. (The whole thing is moot if I can't fly back for elections - rendering my opinion purely theoretical).
 
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These stupid astrologers comes every election. If they could predict and tell you the future, why didn't they predict Mumbai attack and 9/11?

Anywho.. I was happy with congress/Left government. It ensured that communal forces were at bay and some educated people were at the helm. I didn't like what LEFT did during nuclear deal. Some time you have to grow beyoud your own beliefs and think nation first. Nuclear could solve India's energy needs.

Gabbar please try to understand Left parties are not against Nuclear technology. But we protested the controversial deal with America. Please try to know about the 123 and other subsidiary contracts. The basic problem of Congress is that it compromises with India's sovereignty when any deal with the US and Israel comes. US and Israel are not friends for Indians. They always think of their own profits. They provoke terrorism. When a Swadesi type Nuclear program can be achieved without US interference, then why India should buy US technology? Rather Russia and China can help, as recently the SCO is trying to accomplish in other matters.

I request you and also Jako to visit youtube and type Howard Zinn to listen to him. Professor Howard Zinn is an American but he criticizes the American foreign policy. America wants to set up its military base to counter Russia and China under the guise of Nuclear Deal. But if direct confrontation begins by any chance, it will be India who will suffer the most, remember. America will be safe.
 
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Gabbar please try to understand Left parties are not against Nuclear technology. But we protested the controversial deal with America. Please try to know about the 123 and other subsidiary contracts. The basic problem of Congress is that it compromises with India's sovereignty when any deal with the US and Israel comes. US and Israel are not friends for Indians. They always think of their own profits. They provoke terrorism. When a Swadesi type Nuclear program can be achieved without US interference, then why India should buy US technology? Rather Russia and China can help, as recently the SCO is trying to accomplish in other matters.

I am not claiming that I have read the whole report, which could be thousands of pages. But I know India has the right to back off the deal. Without Americas support, India would of never cleared IAEA safeguard agreement. India is buying Nuclear reactor from France and Russia and fuel from Russia and Kazakhastan. And Chinese who are commies are buying their fuel from Australia, who close ally of US. I have never trusted Israelies and I hope India keeps it's distance and only relationships with Isrealies should be business one and that's it.

And I trust Manmohan, who can pull country back from the brink of bankrupcy, won't just sell our sovergeinty over nuclear deal. Time will eventually judge this deal.
 
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Third front is weak on foreign policy (anti-America, anti-Europe) and bad for economy.

What do you know about economic prosperity? If economic prosperity means to you the surrender of sovereignty and independence, then we firmly reject such prosperity. Look at the economic prosperity of China, has China achieved it by begging alms from America? Now China is strong enough, that she has now entered the global economic game. But China has made the preparation by herself, not by any other's help, particularly help from the US. The The deal that Narasimha Rao made in the 90s was a curse for India, because before participating in a global economy you need to get prepared first.

The govt must think of the domestic agricultural economic boom, because the peasants are actually saving the country in the economic recession.
 
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I am not claiming that I have read the whole report, which could be thousands of pages. But I know India has the right to back off the deal. Without Americas support, India would of never cleared IAEA safeguard agreement. India is buying Nuclear reactor from France and Russia and fuel from Russia and Kazakhastan. And Chinese who are commies are buying their fuel from Australia, who close ally of US. I have never trusted Israelies and I hope India keeps it's distance and only relationships with Isrealies should be business one and that's it.

And I trust Manmohan, who can pull country back from the brink of bankrupcy, won't just sell our sovergeinty over nuclear deal. Time will eventually judge this deal.

Gabbar, when a man is hungry, what will he eat? Missiles, shells, bullets or wheat/rice? Look, in India still there people die out of hunger and famine, in places in Bidharva or Amlashole. India needs to concentrate her developmental attention to such issues rather than on Nuke Arms Program.

Are the Congress leaders mad? Or what? You know in what poor condition the peasants live in places like UP, Madhya Pradesh, Karnatak etc etc? You know the condition of the Govt sponsored Primary Education system? You know the condition of the Govt health centers?

But in the name of defense leaders are still making people fools....

Media allege corruption in massive Israel-India arms deal

By Yossi Melman

Tags: India, Israel News, IAI

Allegations of possible illegalities in a massive arms deal between Israel and India have surfaced over the weekend in the Indian media. The size of the deal between the Indian Ministry of Defense and Israel Aerospace Industries, estimated at $1.5 billion, had grown to allow for the payment of commissions, which is illegal in India, said the press there.

The deal in question, signed in late February between Israel Aerospace Industries and the Indian Defense Ministry, is for the delivery of 2,000 Barak Mark VIII missiles, which were originally designed as sea-based weapons.

According to the deal, a third of the value of the deal will be spent in India, where the IAI will make offset purchases from Tata, a local consortium.

An Indian daily from New Delhi, DNA, says it has information showing that $120 million of the overall deal is described as "business expenses." According to Josy Joseph, a journalist, officials familiar with the deal told him that an IAI representative explained these costs are meant to cover insurance, bank and transportation costs.

However, the newspaper hypothesizes the actual payments are for commissions, or even bribes, for senior Indian government officials who approved the deal.

IAI refused to comment on Saturday, but Israeli sources familiar with the deal said the entire process followed regulations and was clean.

Last week IAI filed a report with the regulatory authorities here that it had concluded a $1.4 billion deal but did not specify the country. Indian sources said New Delhi had requested the deal be kept secret.

The newspaper notes (although does not offer details) that Elul, a subsidiary of Elul Asia, belonging to David Kolitz and Israel Yaniv, was also involved in the deal. According to the report, Elul is known for its ties to Tata.

Nine years ago, Yaniv retired from the weapons development authority Rafael, where he worked in marketing, and then joined Elul, setting up a subsidiary where Elul is a co-owner.

Rafael is also involved in the deal, as a subcontractor in the manufacturing of the Barak missiles, but the extent of its role in the project is not known.

The links between Elul and Indian business activities are, according to the daily, based on ties with the Indian businessman Sudhir Chowdhary, who resides in Britain.

"The Israelis joined up with Chowdhary for him to manage their contacts in India with officials in government and the army," according to the newspaper.

Kolitz said in response that he is not involved in any arms deal and has no ties with Chowdhary. "I wish I could benefit from a 6 percent commission," he said.

The daily maintains that Chowdhary has family connections with a senior minister in the Indian government and with senior army officials.

His name had previously been linked by the Indian media to another Israeli arms company, Soltam, in relation to a deal for an upgrade of artillery, in which there were suspicions of wrong doing.

The report in DNA raises questions about the new arms deal, including the actual approval of the deal by the government, which is currently led by the Congress Party; its head, Sonia Gandhi, is under investigation for her role in an earlier deal for Barak missiles, from the 1990s.

The newspaper article questions how it was possible to approve the deal on the day parliamentary elections (for the lower house) were declared, when Indian governments are forbidden from doing so since the deals will be binding on the incoming government.


Media allege corruption in massive Israel-India arms deal - Haaretz - Israel News


Left to PM: blacklist Israeli weapon firms

NEW DELHI, MARCH 18:

Making the most of the recent momentum provided by the CBI raids in the Barak missiles case, the Left has raised the issue to a political level and asked Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to take “strong action” against Israeli arms entities, including possible blacklisting.

In a letter to the PM, leaders of four Left parties, including CPM general secretary Prakash Karat, have expressed “growing concern over the manner in which arms deals with Israel are being conducted.” They have asked the PM to take strong action against the errant Israeli firms “immediately” and ensure that the CBI pursues the Barak case to its “logical conclusion”.

According to the letter, the Barak deal was rife with procedural violations and outright corruption. “It has now become clear that Israeli arms manufacturers, including government-owned entities, have been blatantly violating Indian laws by using middlemen and by giving kickbacks to officials involved in the decision-making process”, it says.

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While mentioning the recent CBI raids and subsequent arrests of the Nandas, the Left says that evidence has also emerged in Israel of the “bribery” and corruption, including payments to agents in India. “Regrettably, despite all this evidence, the UPA government has shown a remarkable reluctance to take action against IAI, Rafael and other Israeli arms companies,” the Left alleges.

Pointing to the blacklisting of the Swedish firm Bofors and the South African firm Denel, the Left asks why similar action cannot be initiated against Israeli firms. “Some high authorities have bent over backwards to argue that the cases were not similar in some unexplained manner,” the Left alleged.

Indianexpress.com : Left to PM: blacklist Israeli weapon firms
 
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What do you know about economic prosperity? If economic prosperity means to you the surrender of sovereignty and independence, then we firmly reject such prosperity. Look at the economic prosperity of China, has China achieved it by begging alms from America? Now China is strong enough, that she has now entered the global economic game. But China has made the preparation by herself, not by any other's help, particularly help from the US. The The deal that Narasimha Rao made in the 90s was a curse for India, because before participating in a global economy you need to get prepared first.

The govt must think of the domestic agricultural economic boom, because the peasants are actually saving the country in the economic recession.

I speak from having first hand experience of this. In the 80's due to Indias (Indiras) stupid socialist/communist setup, all the cars we could get were Ambassadors and a single model from Fiat (Premier Padmini). We did not have TV (in most parts atleast), no computers. Poor people were still poor and the rich people were all corrupt govt. officials. Even pakistan was ahead of us (due to their capitalist setup).
After the opening up we are richer, faster growing, we have choice of cars, have Cable TV and have the right to information from government. There is still a rich-poor divide, but the poorer people are richer (while the rich got really rich). As long as everyone gets enough to eat, I won't complain.
This is also why I said that I will (sometimes) support the left at Panchayat, corporation and state level, but never at the national level. They can plan how the government should allocate local resources, but never will I let them do foreign policy.
Oh and trade and nuclear deal is not losing sovereignty. As Laloo said, development kahaan se aatha hai Bhaiyon ? Development aatha hai infrastructure sey. We need the power and if we can also have Nukes with world approval along with it, that much the better.

China has made great progress, and I congratulate them for that. But the China model is not something that India should look at.And I think it is communist in name only.
We have much more freedom than China and have a weaker government system. We can't imitate China without losing that.Imagine India having government control of Mosques and Temples or the press. Easiest way to start an unending fight. Add to the fact that while (most) Chinese don't understand English and tend to remain isolated in their views from world influence, Indians are more influenced by what happens in the world. I'll let the people decide where the country should go, and not take my chances on a (possibly benevolent) single party rule.
 
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