Muslim Indians Should Demand A Seperate Nation:--

[Winchester]

No offense, but being proud of worshiping rocks, cows, and penises isn't something to be proud of. Wherever Hinduism goes, degeneracy follows. It's not about will, it's about logic. The people who were tired of a disgusting caste system where the superior Aryan invaders (like me, for I have Kashmiri Brahmin roots) assumed superiority over their inferior Brown, short and stubby lower-caste lackeys (who foolishly accepted a belief system which meant they didn't have access to goddamn toilets) or a belief system where a smelly and dirty cow was your mother, a monkey was your father, a elephant man was your cousin twice-removed and a pig was your brother-in-law. Did you ever realize that maybe, just maybe there are people out there who do not like wading in rivers filled to the brim with corpses and defecation? This is the fault of you foolish lower-caste Indians. You've spent your entire lives living among defecation and unwashed Hindutva fanatics, you think it's the norm and a perfect life system. No, it's not traitorous. We just don't like worshiping a magic monkey man riding a spaceship off to Mars. It's that simple, lad. No elaborate Islamist-Reptilian conspiracies. No Islamic F-16s firebombing Rajauptuatrajsvis, forcing the natives to convert. Plain old logic. A clean, well-structured and egalitarian religion. That's it.

Blunt

This will shut them up !

 

[Kaniska]

It took a further 80 years for Indian Muslims to realize that Jinnah was right after all ....

Of course....It is the their problem that they realized late...Either they should have realized at that point of time or they should have being part of the culture of this land...There is no excuse for being late to the party...World does not wait for you always...It is you choice..

 

[Assange]

That's mean there is propaganda by your govt who shows census about growth of muslim population rises...

So if Muslim population increases in a non-Muslim country means that country need to broken and Muslims should be given a new country is that what you are implying?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

a 1000 years ago, what religion did your ancestors follow? Was it hinduism? Bhuddism? Jainism? You are right in the sense that 1000 years we followed the same religion, but that's it. I know you don't want to associate with us, and the feeling is mutial. But when one of your convert member suffering extreme insecurities mentions that we(indians) were ruled for 1000 years, he fails to mention that HIS ancestors were also ruled for 1000 years. Just think about it, 1000 years they tried to break hinduism, the weak-willed fell(i.e. you) while the strong willed are still found today, and hinduism stands as the third largest religion in the world. Wherever Islam and Christianity went, forced conversions followed. Just take a look at Africa, Middle Eastern, and parts of Asia.

Till the time the identity crisis and the obsession with India continues, this is going to be their fate.

This whole thread is about such wet dreams, self loathing and identity crisis.

Rather than following the sane advice of Hussain Haqqani to stop obsessing with India, such people find no other way to vent out their insecurities and the need for validation. Every bloody second.

Husain Haqqani to Pakistan: Stop competing with India and start focusing on our own welfare
But you realized just in 24 years the exact opposite.

It is not about you saying something. It is about the facts on the ground and a large number of Pakistanis (and in facts most subcontinental Muslims) claiming something.

And no, most of you neither look like nor have anything to do with those invaders though most of you pretend to. In fact I have seen them having contempt for Pakistanis when they claim such connections. Right here on this forum. There is enough stuff out there to prove this and you can easily look that up.



As I said, let's not belabor this point. I am not keen on pointing out any similarities or resemblance.

Chinese, Koreans and Japanese may resemble each other and even many of them may not be able to tell each other apart. That doesn't mean they are not different nations.



Facts are facts. Genetics doesn't lie. In fact even many Pakistanis claim that their ancestors converted because of caste oppression. If true, it was only replaced by Ashraf oppression.

Also, agree that Indians of any caste are the same people racially.



The two-nation theory (Urdu: دو-قومی نظریہ‎ — Dō-qaumī naẓariyah, Devanagari: दो-क़ौमी नज़रिया, Bengali: দ্বিজাতি তত্ত্ব— Dijati totto) is the ideology that the primary identity and unifying denominator of Muslims in the South Asian subcontinentis their religion, rather than their language or ethnicity, and therefore Indian Hindus and Muslims are two distinct nations, regardless of ethnic or other commonalities.[1][2] The two-nation theory was a founding principle of the Pakistan Movement(i.e. the ideology of Pakistan as a Muslim nation-state in South Asia), and the partition of India in 1947.

They neither intermarry nor interdine together and, indeed, they belong to two different civilizations which are based mainly on conflicting ideas and conceptions. Their aspect on life and of life are different. It is quite clear that Hindus and Mussalmans derive their inspiration from different sources of history. They have different epics, different heroes, and different episodes. Very often the hero of one is a foe of the other and, likewise, their victories and defeats overlap. To yoke together two such nations under a single state, one as a numerical minority and the other as a majority, must lead to growing discontent and final destruction of any fabric that may be so built for the government of such a state.

Two-nation theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the justification and it basically means that Muslims can't live with any non Muslims. Most of it would apply to Christians as well where many Pakistanis are so keen to go in a reverse hijarat, despite claiming Islamophobia!

There is no concept o ethnicity here. Just conversion to an Arab origin religion that is supposed to change your history and identity. Makes one reject all that was his own for thousands of years and claim "When we are in Spain...".

Apparently Arabs laugh at Pakistanis when they make such statements. They call you Mussalli...

Also, a bit on the identity crisis that is also at display here.

Again, no one has disproved the ground realities. I live in London (UK), the most advanced, developed, multiracial and cosmopolitan city in the entire world. I have seen and observed ALL races for over 28 years. I have seen 1000s of indians and Pakistanis. I don't live in the deepest of india were I'm surrounded only by indian people. My experience therefore puts me in a position wherby I can make valid judgements of the racial and physical nature of both Indians and Pakistanis. For some reason, Indians from india claim that Pakistanis are the same race as them wheras Indians born and raised in the west admit that Pakistanis are a completely different racial stock to them. Most educated Pakistanis and those brought up in the west all know this to be true. The only Pakistanis who say otherwise are those that live in Pakistan and who are anti-Muslim liberal traitors. As I have said before (despite all the propaganda and BS) Pakistanis differ to Indians in terms or race, physical appearance & features, culture and heritage. In nearly 30 years I have never mistook a Pakistani for an indian or vice-versa. When I see a Pakistani man, woman or child and then I see an indian man, woman or child I know that they are not the same race or have the same heritage. Indians have distinct features and physical traits that non-indianss don't have. I have worked with, studied with and done business with many Indians over 20 years and not on one occasion did I ever feel or notice anything remotely similar with them nor did I feel any sort of connection with them like I do with Pakistanis or other Muslims. In fact 2 years ago, an indian from india said to a Pakistani colleague of mine that he had been taught that Pakistanis were the "same race" as Indians but coming to London had completely dispelled that myth. That Pakistanis are not indian in any way whatsoever. As far as identity crises goes, the only Pakistanis who say that are the brainwashed anti-Muslim, anti-patriotic limp-wristed liberal traitors. Pakistani culture is based on our unique racial heritage and Islam (something an indian can never understand). By the way, the difference between Pakistanis and Indians is far far greater than that between Chinese, South Koreans and Japanese. I can testify to this 100%.

Again, please can someone explain that if Pakistanis are descendants of weak minded and low caste hindus than why do Pakistanis not resemble or bare any physical resemblance to modern day hindus?

 

[Kaniska]

Go check inside India first...There are many muslims colonies where it is named as chota pakistan by hindu administration..

Electricity bills list 'Chota Pakistan' as address for Muslim families in Mumbai suburb

FIR brands Ahmedabad's Muslim area as Pakistan - The Times of India

Disqus - After 'Chhota Pakistan', now a 'Bangladesh' in Thane - Hindustan Times

They way you people are treating them will definitely create pakistan-II in near future..
You are banning them their choice what to eat in india...condition to live in india.. Killing them at your will...
Your only sachar committee Sachar Committee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia report in 2010 expose the pathetic condition of muslim in india.... Whenever muslims tried to rise economically and socially you performed riots and drag them to worst condition....

Your only mentality is hating muslims.... You entered Bangladesh and Afghanistan to create division among us...

We know your chanakya brain.... Wait and watch...now its our turn to strike back...

Of course it exists...I am at no point of time denying that...We Hindus are so stupid that we do not give respect to our own people..So giving respect to Muslims, is a too much to ask for...But again,is it not something Indian Muslims should have thought at the time of partition? If they did not think about it, I am sorry, they missd the bus...Either they have to leave with it...Or they have to talk with BD and Pakistan to make their own arrangement to move to that country if it will work out for them...It is not a problem or concern for us about why they could not integrated to the mainstream of India...

 

[AshishDelhi]

Blunt

This will shut them up !

1400 years ago...a rich old sheikh married a 7-8 year old girl.
Now also rich old sheikhs marrying young girls.
If the foundation is strong and logical then there are no changes to structure. Islam has a strong foundation. Hinduism on the other hand is loosely defined. Hindus and Buddhists worship anything.

 

[Politico]

Point is that many indians keep cla





Again, no one has disproved the ground realities. I live in London (UK), the most advanced, developed, multiracial and cosmopolitan city in the entire world. I have seen and observed ALL races for over 28 years. I have seen 1000s of indians and Pakistanis. I don't live in the deepest of india were I'm surrounded only by indian people. My experience therefore puts me in a position wherby I can make valid judgements of the racial and physical nature of both Indians and Pakistanis. For some reason, Indians from india claim that Pakistanis are the same race as them wheras Indians born and raised in the west admit that Pakistanis are a completely different racial stock to them. Most educated Pakistanis and those brought up in the west all know this to be true. The only Pakistanis who say otherwise are those that live in Pakistan and who are anti-Muslim liberal traitors. As I have said before (despite all the propaganda and BS) Pakistanis differ to Indians in terms or race, physical appearance & features, culture and heritage. In nearly 30 years I have never mistook a Pakistani for an indian or vice-versa. When I see a Pakistani man, woman or child and then I see an indian man, woman or child I know that they are not the same race or have the same heritage. Indians have distinct features and physical traits that non-indianss don't have. I have worked with, studied with and done business with many Indians over 20 years and not on one occasion did I ever feel or notice anything remotely similar with them nor did I feel any sort of connection with them like I do with Pakistanis or other Muslims. In fact 2 years ago, an indian from india said to a Pakistani colleague of mine that he had been taught that Pakistanis were the "same race" as Indians but coming to London had completely dispelled that myth. That Pakistanis are not indian in any way whatsoever. As far as identity crises goes, the only Pakistanis who say that are the brainwashed anti-Muslim, anti-patriotic limp-wristed liberal traitors. Pakistani culture is based on our unique racial heritage and Islam (something an indian can never understand). By the way, the difference between Pakistanis and Indians is far far greater than that between Chinese, South Koreans and Japanese. I can testify to this 100%.

Again, please can someone explain that if Pakistanis are descendants of weak minded and low caste hindus than why do Pakistanis not resemble or bare any physical resemblance to modern day hindus?

y u talk so much shit and make fool 4 u ? we have indian muslim 4 north indian in my family and they look like pakistan. we pakistan people got no connection 4 indian but u making much 4 nothing in all u saying

 

[Assange]

Hindu Indians are really annoying on PDF. I would understand if Indian Muslims want to separate from them. They support Assad, Russia, enemies of Islam, drinking piss and killing Muslims for eating beef. I don't think Hindus can change.

Well before trying to change Hindu's mentality I would ask you guys change your mentality of Muslims killing Muslims in the name of Islam...

No other religion in this world endorses this except Islam...where you guys kill each other just by misinterpreting your own holly book....

I choose to comment on your post because I saw Turkish flag...Turkey should take responsibility for brutality committed in the name of Islam because Turkey is responsible for spreading Islam all over the world....

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

y u talk so much shit and make fool 4 u ? we have indian muslim 4 north indian in my family and they look like pakistan. we pakistan people got no connection 4 indian but u making much 4 nothing in all u saying

Didn't understand anything you just said there. You have family members that are north indian Muslims that look Pakistani but have no connection to india or Pakistan?

 

[Politico]

Didn't understand anything you just said there. You have family members that are north indian Muslims that look Pakistani but have no connection to india or Pakistan?

i say we pakistan people got no connection 2 india. but 4 u saying indian dont look like pakistan not true

 

[Winchester]

@waz post#414

 

[haviZsultan]

We Lucknowis and Hyderabadis are already demanding a separate state, at least some of us, or in my case a merger of Lucknow with Pakistan. There are many benefits to this and we clearly share a lot of commonalities. We have family divided by this pathetic border line, we all voted for the muslim league and an independent Pakistan, are being attacked by India with our culture being replaced by theirs and are also part of the same ummah.

The problem arises from India's enslavement of some muslims who have been won over by India. They play a negative role and do not have a high opinion of Pakistan. They do not look at the big picture-the ummah and the benefit as muslims for being with Pakistan. It is unfortunate but Pakistan as a state has done very little for them too.

At least Pakistan could offer those Mumbai and Gujarat riots victims homes in Pakistan. A small token message that we stood with the oppressed muslims in Indian occupied parts. I will always be loyal to Pakistan but we should never lose the opportunity to get the Lucknowis and Hyderabadis on our side.

Many of my relatives are loyal to Pakistan but living in Lucknow. Even we migrated late. So we have extra assimilation with Lucknow as our hometown. Also by moving from one place to another no one becomes muhajir. Our fault as mahajirs has been our failure to assimilate our relatives left there. We have played a very negative role since the formation of Pakistan. As a person who has stayed in Lucknow for a while I can see this.

 

[Spring Onion]

And there were Muslims who shouted "Hans ke liya hai Pakistan, lad ke lenge Hindustan". Those who were wet dreaming of returning with another Gaznavi. Those who thought that one Pakistani convert = 10 Indian Dharmic persons.

What happened to that?

We don't give a damn about Pakistan. You people need to move beyond 47 and stop obsessing about India and the fake history taught in Pakistan.

Common Muslim masses shouting those slogans is one thing and Indian founding fathers claiming something about and against Pakistan altogether an another thing.

where Ghaznvi comes from in this discussion?
hmmmmm seems you are still pissed off. anyway at least we are not taught that defeated Alexander

Anyway this thread is about India and status of Indian Muslim. so what are you doing about it ? when will Hindu militants convert all these muslims to hinduism?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

If we go by genetics than maybe Pakistanis and Indians can be considered part of the same race. But, then again race isn't a scientific concept so trying to use genetics to decide it is irrelevant. Since you're in the UK, all South Asians are listed as one Asian race aren't they?

Not anymore. Between the 60s and 90s they were but not now. The Sikh society of Britain mainly and to some extent the hindu and Pakistani/Muslim organisations have lead a public awareness campaign to highlight the differences between Indians, Pakistanis and Muslims. That has paid off and Indians (specifically Sikhs) are now classified as a distinct and separate race to Pakistanis/Muslims. The Sikhs even have laws to protect their religious and racial identity. Even the new generation of white people can tell the difference between a Pakistani/Muslim and an indian. Their forefathers could not though.

i say we pakistan people got no connection 2 india. but 4 u saying indian dont look like pakistan not true

Unfortunately for you that's not true. But we'll agree to disagree.

Again, no one has disproved the ground realities. I live in London (UK), the most advanced, developed, multiracial and cosmopolitan city in the entire world. I have seen and observed ALL races for over 28 years. I have seen 1000s of indians and Pakistanis. I don't live in the deepest of india were I'm surrounded only by indian people. My experience therefore puts me in a position wherby I can make valid judgements of the racial and physical nature of both Indians and Pakistanis. For some reason, Indians from india claim that Pakistanis are the same race as them wheras Indians born and raised in the west admit that Pakistanis are a completely different racial stock to them. Most educated Pakistanis and those brought up in the west all know this to be true. The only Pakistanis who say otherwise are those that live in Pakistan and who are anti-Muslim liberal traitors. As I have said before (despite all the propaganda and BS) Pakistanis differ to Indians in terms or race, physical appearance & features, culture and heritage. In nearly 30 years I have never mistook a Pakistani for an indian or vice-versa. When I see a Pakistani man, woman or child and then I see an indian man, woman or child I know that they are not the same race or have the same heritage. Indians have distinct features and physical traits that non-indianss don't have. I have worked with, studied with and done business with many Indians over 20 years and not on one occasion did I ever feel or notice anything remotely similar with them nor did I feel any sort of connection with them like I do with Pakistanis or other Muslims. In fact 2 years ago, an indian from india said to a Pakistani colleague of mine that he had been taught that Pakistanis were the "same race" as Indians but coming to London had completely dispelled that myth. That Pakistanis are not indian in any way whatsoever. As far as identity crises goes, the only Pakistanis who say that are the brainwashed anti-Muslim, anti-patriotic limp-wristed liberal traitors. Pakistani culture is based on our unique racial heritage and Islam (something an indian can never understand). By the way, the difference between Pakistanis and Indians is far far greater than that between Chinese, South Koreans and Japanese. I can testify to this 100%.

Again, please can someone explain that if Pakistanis are descendants of weak minded and low caste hindus than why do Pakistanis not resemble or bare any physical resemblance to modern day hindus?

Pakistanis obsessed with india???????????? There maybe a few but the majority I can assure you are not. But then again it's mainly Indians from india that say Pakistanis are the same race as them but not the other way around.

 

[jaiind]