Muslim Indians Should Demand A Seperate Nation:--

[atatwolf]

Well before trying to change Hindu's mentality I would ask you guys change your mentality of Muslims killing Muslims in the name of Islam...

No other religion in this world endorses this except Islam...where you guys kill each other just by misinterpreting your own holly book....

I choose to comment on your post because I saw Turkish flag...Turkey should take responsibility for brutality committed in the name of Islam because Turkey is responsible for spreading Islam all over the world....

Our (Turkic) army and economy are not strong enough to silence the trouble makers in the Muslim world such as Iran and also deal with the backers of those countrus such as Russia for example. We can't do much if some of the Muslims are allying with the devil to spill Syrian blood to prop up Assad. Within 10 years our armies will be ready though. There is no other choice than use share force to consolidate the Muslim world.

 

[Max]

For that very same reason your establishment had to send terrorists like Kasab & co. from Pakistan to carry out 26/11 attacks. It's because your establishment were incapable of finding Indian Muslims who would betray our country. On another note Pakistani support to terrorist organizations like Indian Mujahideen , Lashkar-e-Taiba and other terror outfits are well known and well documented.

Where u proved it? in vedic shithole? u yet to have prove hafiz saeed Mumbai mastermind and u are blaming ISI here. all ur whining over the yeasr won u a bounty of 10 million that to by only US which ask for proofs against hafiz saeed? even US does not believe ur shitty propaganda...

Your country tried to do it but it miserably failed

When.. i dont need ur whining tell me where Pakistan exploit Muslims in India? Location? how we failed to exploit Indian Muslims? where we tried to exploit Hindu Muslim divide?

unlike your Islamic republic of Pakistan where millions are ready to take up AK's for religious wars

They are doing it for centuries even they were ur rulers when there was no Pakistan...we kept them peaceful for last 60 years.. last decade was unfortunate 30 years of war in neighboring Afghanistan and wrong policies expose them to wars again...

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Pakistan should look at the way it treats its own minorities before it starts to criticize India.

Nothing to do with us... u can never quote a Gujrat like massacre of Hindus in entire history of Pakistan... where Muslim gangs burned women and children of Hindus.. Hindus from childhood are taught to be be fearful of evil Muslims hence these coward even after living 68 years in Pakistan without any state sponsored brutality (which happen in India) are looking for India...

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Okay everyone. To all those who think indian Muslims are the same as us or need the help of Pakistanis, here is a reality check:

India: Poor Muslims 'lured' into mass Hindu conversions by extremists

Like I've said before, indian Muslims are not part of the international Islamic/Muslim mainstream like Pakistanis are. There issues and problems are not ours.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

Of course....It is the their problem that they realized late...Either they should have realized at that point of time or they should have being part of the culture of this land...There is no excuse for being late to the party...World does not wait for you always...It is you choice..

There is no expiry date ...

Oh yeah muslims in india are idiots and you are smart. This comes from a person who stays in a alien country rather than his own. ppl will always move to better place based on their capability & capacity. If pakistan was better muslims would have already done that.

If muslims of the other country were so welcoming than there was no need for pakistan every one could go to saudi and be happy.
LOL....Your own country is good example why pakistan is a unmitigated disaster and you end up preaching to others says volumes about your thinking capacity.

I live in an alien country? Bangladesh an alien country? Both Pakistan and Bangladesh would be better places if India did not keep on screwing around in these countries.

But you realized just in 24 years the exact opposite.

What Bangladesh realised was that the leaders of West had no understanding of the ethnic and cultural differences and outlook of this part but that does not mean that we accept Indian hegemony as an alternative.

 

[Arsalan mehmud]

Of course it exists...I am at no point of time denying that...We Hindus are so stupid that we do not give respect to our own people..So giving respect to Muslims, is a too much to ask for...But again,is it not something Indian Muslims should have thought at the time of partition? If they did not think about it, I am sorry, they missd the bus...Either they have to leave with it...Or they have to talk with BD and Pakistan to make their own arrangement to move to that country if it will work out for them...It is not a problem or concern for us about why they could not integrated to the mainstream of India...

Just give me one answer...If muslims living in india is not getting what administration of India promised them during partition..Then what would they do...
Why some of hindus always ask do this do that or leave India..
If not getting justice.. Then in that condition definitely UN and other nation will interfere and will create one more pakistan just as south sudan..
Pakistan or Bangladesh is not going to take them but definitely help them to take their part of land from India..
But instead will urge you people to accept them and behave in equality...Instead of gharwapsi, love jihad, roits..

 

[Assange]

Our (Turkic) army and economy are not strong enough to silence the trouble makers in the Muslim world such as Iran and also deal with the backers of those countrus such as Russia for example. We can't do much if some of the Muslims are allying with the devil to spill Syrian blood to prop up Assad. Within 10 years our armies will be ready though. There is no other choice than use share force to consolidate the Muslim world.

That was really a sensible and more mature reply from a member in PDF...

But still your comment leaves me wondering here because you are saying Iranians and Russians are the trouble makers in the middle east but you did not even mention about ISIS....So are you saying IS is spreading the correct version of Islam and you are supporting it?

Just give me one answer...If muslims living in india is not getting what administration of India promised them during partition..Then what would they do...
Why some of hindus always ask do this do that or leave India..
If not getting justice.. Then in that condition definitely UN and other nation will interfere and will create one more pakistan just as south sudan..
Pakistan or Bangladesh is not going to take them but definitely help them to take their part of land from India..
But instead will urge you people to accept them and behave in equality...Instead of gharwapsi, love jihad, roits..

All you are posts suggest one thing break India into pieces....

I really don't think that will ever happen...even Indian Muslims will oppose this decision because Hindus and Muslims in this country are interrelated and inter dependent too much if they separate they will struggle in their day to day life....

And you are equating South Sudan and India in this context that is really hilarious....

India is the fastest growing economy now and it is spending on defense is also very high compared to others....just think a nation with a growing GDP will ever collapse??? Of course the more money you people get in their hand the more troublesome they become...but that does not mean that nation will collapse....

Gharwapsi, love Jihad, riots etc., etc will happen in this country even after 10 years from now but this country will remain resilient ...after this is a country which was founded on the basic principals of Ahimsa....

 

[Arsalan mehmud]

That was really a sensible and more mature reply from a member in PDF...

But still your comment leaves me wondering here because you are saying Iranians and Russians are the trouble makers in the middle east but you did not even mention about ISIS....So are you saying IS is spreading the correct version of Islam and you are supporting it?



All you are posts suggest one thing break India into pieces....

I really don't think that will ever happen...even Indian Muslims will oppose this decision because Hindus and Muslims in this country are interrelated and inter dependent too much if they separate they will struggle in their day to day life....

And you are equating South Sudan and India in this context that is really hilarious....

India is the fastest growing economy now and it is spending on defense is also very high compared to others....just think a nation with a growing GDP will ever collapse??? Of course the more money you people get in their hand the more troublesome they become...but that does not mean that nation will collapse....

Gharwapsi, love Jihad, riots etc., etc will happen in this country even after 10 years from now but this country will remain resilient ...after this is a country which was founded on the basic principals of Ahimsa....

Hahahahaha... amazed with your reply..
Ahinsa... a word from Mahatma gandhi..
But now-a-days people from india use vulgar language against him.. and termed Nathu ram godse as true patriot....

 

[Kaniska]

Just give me one answer...If muslims living in india is not getting what administration of India promised them during partition..Then what would they do...
Why some of hindus always ask do this do that or leave India..
If not getting justice.. Then in that condition definitely UN and other nation will interfere and will create one more pakistan just as south sudan..
Pakistan or Bangladesh is not going to take them but definitely help them to take their part of land from India..
But instead will urge you people to accept them and behave in equality...Instead of gharwapsi, love jihad, roits..

Here is my answer.

My Indian Muslim brothers have exactly equal rights as any Hindu or any one in my nation...Their rights are not a favor to Indian Muslims. If there is anything wrong with them, they have equal right to protest and show their frustration in a peaceful manner like many other people are doing it...In India, it is not that only Muslims are not being mistreated...We are such a f** nation where we even do not treat well to our Hindu people too...Does that mean they will start asking for a new nation?

My answer to all the quesries is for the question if Indian Muslims should ask for a separate nation...So i have never ever asking them or considering them anything less Indian than me or any f*** Hindu people...But being not provided rights is not eligibility to ask for a separate nation...So i hope you understand my intent of my reply to this post...So do not misunderstand my answer that i do not want Muslims to stay in India..Rather, i would like them to be part of the system where like many other Indian people, they should learn how to fight back to get their rights democratically....

 

[Arsalan mehmud]

Your country tried to do it but it miserably failed because unlike your Islamic republic of Pakistan where millions are ready to take up AK's for religious wars , in India it's not easy to get proxies.

For that very same reason your establishment had to send terrorists like Kasab & co. from Pakistan to carry out 26/11 attacks. It's because your establishment were incapable of finding Indian Muslims who would betray our country. On another note Pakistani support to terrorist organizations like Indian Mujahideen , Lashkar-e-Taiba and other terror outfits are well known and well documented.

Pakistan and state-sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now-a-days.. people are too clever.. and knows what's going around...
Hadley was CIA agent who clearly work for CIA only. He came pakistan to do 26/11 conspiracy. But now totally exposed by your personnel only.. You people followed chaknaya niti..
It was planned attack and motive behind was to show pakistan as a terrorist country..

You have done this again and again....
Kashmir Is Killing India’s Military and Democracy - Bloomberg View

 

[nForce]

Gentlemen and ladies,

It gives me great pride to start this thread----. A lot of changes have occurred in the indian sub-continent in the last year or two.

The relationship of the hindus towards other minorities has taken a dive for the worst. The persecution of the Christians, Sikhs and muslims is reaching new heights.

The ban on eating cow meat and the execution of those who do---is going to setup a new trend in the hate relation between the different ethnic groups of Hindustan.

With the police and state agencies supporting the hindu extremists and participating in the killing of the minorities----gentlemen---and ladies----I give the muslims of India a new slogan----

A SEPERATE NATION FOR MILLION MUSLIMS

that constitute almost 1/3rd the population of india---so they should ask for 1/3rd the land to create their own state.

It is about time---that the indian muslims come out of the subjugation and the rule of tyranny and ask for their rightful position in the society and a country of their own.

I would recommend the Pakistani readers on ths thread---those who have feelings and have writing skills and better knowledge about this issue----to propagate this idea in all the web pages and threads that they can come up----write up in the news papers and if they knw any TV hosts----let us start a movement----.

Let payback those who wanted our separation and breakage----. This is the time---this is the place---let us start a movement---let us forget our differences for a while----gentlemen and ladies---let us do this for Pakistan.

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My apologies to other Pakistanis---if you read this thread spread it like a wild fire---and if you know anyone in the Pakistani media---ask them to talk about it---.

Let this be my salvation for the sins that I have committed in my life---make me proud----light the fire---start the fire---let it burn---let it rip---. Pakistan zindabad----Pakistan zindabad---Pakistan zindabad.

hehe.. but isn't it the Pakistanis, who believe in nation on the basis religion ? And not Indians. Some Hindus/Sikhs/Christians/Ahmadiyas are still left in Pakistan. So, I guess, it should be the natural course of action for Pakistan!

I tell you what.. There is even a better solution. Might as well take it to the next level and this time, do it on the basis of sects of a religion, that is, Shia and Sunni.

 

[Kaniska]

There is no expiry date ...



You are welcome to have a noble thought as you mentioned..But again, i have a different perception..This is not 1947 nor people like Gandhi like people have a say in Indian politics now..We are too much idiotic nation who are empathetic to others now..

 

[Arsalan mehmud]

hehe.. but isn't it the Pakistanis, who believe in nation on the basis religion ? And not Indians. Some Hindus/Sikhs/Christians/Ahmadiyas are still left in Pakistan. So, I guess, it should be the natural course of action for Pakistan!

I tell you what.. There is even a better solution. Might as well take it to the next level and this time, do it on the basis of sects of a religion, that is, Shia and Sunni.

Hahahahaha... In that case you will be in total loss..
Dalit, lower caste, muslims, christian, sikhs, north indian, north east indians, mau, naxsal, south indian, khalistan do exist in india...

 

[prashantazazel]

Where u proved it? in vedic shithole? u yet to have prove hafiz saeed Mumbai mastermind and u are blaming ISI here. all ur whining over the yeasr won u a bounty of 10 million that to by only US which ask for proofs against hafiz saeed? even US does not believe ur shitty propaganda...



When.. i dont need ur whining tell me where Pakistan exploit Muslims in India? Location? how we failed to exploit Indian Muslims? where we tried to exploit Hindu Muslim divide?




They are doing it for centuries even they were ur rulers when there was no Pakistan...we kept them peaceful for last 60 years.. last decade was unfortunate 30 years of war in neighboring Afghanistan and wrong policies expose them to wars again...




Nothing to do with us... u can never quote a Gujrat like massacre of Hindus in entire history of Pakistan... where Muslim gangs burned women and children of Hindus.. Hindus from childhood are taught to be be fearful of evil Muslims hence these coward even after living 68 years in Pakistan without any state sponsored brutality (which happen in India) are looking for India...

riots have always happened in India. You can't just blame one side for that.
But Indian Muslims aren't trying to leave to other safe havens- they know they are safer here than theocracies.
Almost all major Islamic countries are dealing with extremism- they don't paint a pretty picture for other Muslims.

 

[Rajesh12379]

Common Muslim masses shouting those slogans is one thing and Indian founding fathers claiming something about and against Pakistan altogether an another thing.

In your Mr. Jinnah's public rallies, there were slogans about killing all kaafirs. Was he your founding father?

Anyway, I have only seen Pakistanis make such claims. Never seen any proof. May be some of them believed that Pakistan won't last. It would have been their personal opinion, not a state policy as you have been led to believe.

where Ghaznvi comes from in this discussion?
hmmmmm seems you are still pissed off. anyway at least we are not taught that defeated Alexander

This was actually the belief of many Muslims who went to Pakistan that they were going temporarily and will be back with another Gazanavi. You can find out about it if you try.

Anyway this thread is about India and status of Indian Muslim. so what are you doing about it ? when will Hindu militants convert all these muslims to hinduism?

It is Pakistani imagination running riot. They are doing far better than Pakistani Muslims, especially the kabailis, Sindhis, Baloch etc.

Again, no one has disproved the ground realities. I live in London (UK), the most advanced, developed, multiracial and cosmopolitan city in the entire world. I have seen and observed ALL races for over 28 years. I have seen 1000s of indians and Pakistanis. I don't live in the deepest of india were I'm surrounded only by indian people. My experience therefore puts me in a position wherby I can make valid judgements of the racial and physical nature of both Indians and Pakistanis. For some reason, Indians from india claim that Pakistanis are the same race as them wheras Indians born and raised in the west admit that Pakistanis are a completely different racial stock to them. Most educated Pakistanis and those brought up in the west all know this to be true. The only Pakistanis who say otherwise are those that live in Pakistan and who are anti-Muslim liberal traitors. As I have said before (despite all the propaganda and BS) Pakistanis differ to Indians in terms or race, physical appearance & features, culture and heritage. In nearly 30 years I have never mistook a Pakistani for an indian or vice-versa. When I see a Pakistani man, woman or child and then I see an indian man, woman or child I know that they are not the same race or have the same heritage. Indians have distinct features and physical traits that non-indianss don't have. I have worked with, studied with and done business with many Indians over 20 years and not on one occasion did I ever feel or notice anything remotely similar with them nor did I feel any sort of connection with them like I do with Pakistanis or other Muslims. In fact 2 years ago, an indian from india said to a Pakistani colleague of mine that he had been taught that Pakistanis were the "same race" as Indians but coming to London had completely dispelled that myth. That Pakistanis are not indian in any way whatsoever. As far as identity crises goes, the only Pakistanis who say that are the brainwashed anti-Muslim, anti-patriotic limp-wristed liberal traitors. Pakistani culture is based on our unique racial heritage and Islam (something an indian can never understand). By the way, the difference between Pakistanis and Indians is far far greater than that between Chinese, South Koreans and Japanese. I can testify to this 100%.

Again, please can someone explain that if Pakistanis are descendants of weak minded and low caste hindus than why do Pakistanis not resemble or bare any physical resemblance to modern day hindus?

Supposedly empirical claims don't count. As I said, genetics disproves your "personal observations".

Pakistan is a product of two nation theory and that theory is based on Islam and nothing else. all else is trying for post facto justification that just doesn't wash.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

In your Mr. Jinnah's public rallies, there were slogans about killing all kaafirs. Was he your founding father?

Anyway, I have only seen Pakistanis make such claims. Never seen any proof. May be some of them believed that Pakistan won't last. It would have been their personal opinion, not a state policy as you have been led to believe.



This was actually the belief of many Muslims who went to Pakistan that they were going temporarily and will be back with another Gazanavi. You can find out about it if you try.



It is Pakistani imagination running riot. They are doing far better than Pakistani Muslims, especially the kabailis, Sindhis, Baloch etc.



Supposedly empirical claims don't count. As I said, genetics disproves your "personal observations".

Pakistan is a product of two nation theory and that theory is based on Islam and nothing else. all else is trying for post facto justification that just doesn't wash.

Are you seriously implying that Pakistanis look like indians and that Pakistanis are the same race as you people? Please just give a yes or no answer. By the way according to genetics, dolphins and humans share 90% dna, indians and Russian share common genetics and West Africans share common dna with Germans and Scandanavians.