Muslim gymnast criticised for 'revealing' costume as she wins double-gold!

[Norwegian]

Keep your bullshit grudge with me out of this.

LOL I have never had any personal grudge with you. I like your comments as long they are not about Islam

Saying that a woman can wear more modest clothes while doing gymnastics is not ''totalitarian domination of Mullahs''. We have a religion, keeping ourselves and our women a little covered is part of it. It has nothing to do with secularism, and quoting Ibne Rushd does not want me to abandon those parts of Islam. We are not saying it should be illegal for women to do gymnastics. We are saying she shouldn't do gymnastics in revealing clothes. It is an opinion and a perfectly valid opinion.

LOL Why are a bunch of Men "deciding" what "our" women SHOULD wear or not? Can't the women read? Let's educate "our" women in both Religious and Secular studies and let THEM decide if they wish to have their regular activities in a tent or in a bikini

You MEN have no right whatsoever to coerce, force, persuade "OUR" Women into wearing something that they do not wish for themselves . You MUST give them a freedom of choice without imposing Shariah on them yourself!

That's the difference between liberalism and pseudo-liberalism - the latter is just about shoving ''western values'' down everyone's throats.

LOL Did I specifically asked Muslim women to get dressed in Western Bikini like You claiming they "should" be dressed like this or that? No, What I meant was that Muslims worldwide adopt to same dress code as their peers in any field of life. And DO NOT demand "special" privileges just because their religion says so. If your religious rulings are so much of an importance to you, then DON'T participate in such activities in the first place. Instead of first participating in it on free will, and then whining about it later because the organizers forbid you from changing your dress code with your religious one

If you've abandoned a good portion of Islam, that's your problem. Don't expect everyone else to do the same.

LOL I haven't abandoned any part of Islam. My stance is pretty clear already regarding this funny issue. If that Muslim woman had decided to participate in Gymnastics in the same kind of sportswear as her other international competitors, she did NOTHING wrong. And these Mullahs had NO right to criticise her for her decision. Its HER decision after all what kind of clothes she SHOULD wear and not of some Madrassah clerics

She can practice gymnastics in stretchable fabrics that cover the legs if she wanted to. But not doing so is her choice. So be it.

Good. At least here you admit it's still HER choice what she should wear, and no one else's

And here I'll say it again, these so called clerics and Mullahs who impose their sh*t on others are the Biggest Cancer not only in the Muslim world but for the Whole Planet.

Agreed

They are the reason why Muslim image is derailed in the Whole World.

More Agreed

Forget about clerics and Mullah, they are what they are, I am also a huge critic of them. Please educate me on what are the orders of Allah regarding clothing?

ALLAH never ORDERED anything. He REVEALED his divine teachings through the Holy Prophet and then he gave US THE CHOICE what to do. AGAIN, ALLAH never ordered us to do anything. Its still our choice on how do we interpret his commandments and follow them in real life

O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and the wives of the believers that they shall lengthen their garments. Thus, they will be recognized (as righteous women) and avoid being insulted. God is Forgiver, Most Merciful. (33:59)

So just one Koranic verse, without any context attached to is enough of a proof?

Yes, I know that Purdah in Islam is necessary upon every woman who has reached adulthood. But thats in normal circumstances, no mention of dress code of women while performing different sports .

I don't think Women in Arabia during the time of revelation of the Holy Quran participated in regular sports as women do today???

Also these affairs are in b.w that person and the God himself, who are these 3rd persons to tell others what to do?? There are always means of forgiveness and har kisi ne apni apni kabr main jaana hai ..

LOL Great! WELL SAID

IMO, there are more important things to worry about than 'the revealing clothes of women' .

HAHAHAHAHHA

Bhai, are you suggesting that Allah forgot to make mention of how a Muslim woman should dress in what you describe as 'out of normal circumstances'? or Allah was unable to envision or foresee that one day Muslim women will take part in Gymnastic?

He is not "suggesting" anything. He is telling you a FACT right in your face that these Koranic verses regarding dress code of Muslim women are WAY out of context regarding present day situations
Unless some Mujtahid (learned Muslim scholar) reform 9th century interpretations of these verses and make the adjustable with modern day standards, there is no hope for gullible Muslims

This means that the Islamic dress code for women does not only consist of a scarf that covers the head, the neck and the bosom; it also includes the overall dress that should be long and loose. So, for instance, the combination of a tight, short sweater with tight-fitting jeans with a scarf over the head does not fulfill the requirements of the Islamic dress code.

Yeah, lol . Please do tell us how we, who live in Tundra regions of this earth, dress our women "loose" in extreme winter when "normal" temperatures are -30 degrees or less

No Mullah ever said this. Its the book of Allah, the Quran asking women to cover their modesty.

It DEPENDS on where the women live. Local climate and weather also have something to say on WHAT we should wear. I laugh hysterically when I see some Somali orthodox women on the streets in a complete tent-like but loose BURKA when it's freezing like hell outside

Its not our fault. We live in a world where our values and our culture is subservient to western culture which is more prevalent and acceptable. So by that standard, Islam is a backward, repressive regime that forces women indoors blah blah blah. When this narrative is repeated ad nauseam, we too feel the heat and want to escape this perpetual inferiority. So any act, no matter how irrelevant which gives us even a semblance of conflicting this belief, we jump on it and begin to celebrate and bad mouth Islam personified as Mullah.

HAHAHA. Islam is not backward in any sense, just like Christianity or Judaism is not backward. The problem is that its the Muslims at large that are backward who unlike Jews and Christians, actually FAILED to reform their religion with the changing realities of the modern world

Her country might have applauded her. So be it. But if you look at from Islam's perspective, she has committed immorality.

How is it anywhere "immoral" to adapt a dress code that is universal for the said sport? Are you nuts?
Its not like she is gonna WEAR it like this 24/7?

A lot of Muslims today think they know more than Allah (swt) and thus can override his commands by making lawful that which Allah (swt) has made unlawful.

Surely, these MULLAHS of yours know more than Allah himself. That is why they have put themselves IN CHARGE of telling us what's written in the Koran and Hadith without letting us find it out ourselves freely.

 

[Gufi]

Well said..syed Ali is an old guy nearing his 60s..no need to take him seriously

you have gotten personal.

 

[nForce]

you have gotten personal.

If you got a penny each time you pointed that out in this forum, you would have been a billionaire by now.

 

[syedali73]

you have gotten personal.

Bhai, let him. I would have taken it seriously if you said it.

 

[scionoftheindus]

I liked this girls attitude..she put up a message on her twitter account 'empty cans make make the most noise' keeping in mind people like syed Ali and others who are pointing fingers at her...she has achieved gold medals and these losers are wailing here.

 

[Gufi]

LOL Why are a bunch of Men "deciding" what "our" women SHOULD wear or not? Can't the women read? Let's educate "our" women in both Religious and Secular studies and let THEM decide if they wish to have their regular activities in a tent or in a bikini

Why does a weather man read the news, why does the economist comment on fiscal policies, It is the job of the cleric to define what the Islamic values are. Malaysia is a very tolerant country you need to go there to find out and if not try google

LOL Great! WELL SAID

That was well said, you demand teachers to teach you everything, yet on religion you ask for autonomy. He did not give a fatwa to kill her, just defined in his understanding what is Islamic

You MEN have no right whatsoever to coerce, force, persuade "OUR" Women into wearing something that they do not wish for themselves . You MUST give them a freedom of choice without imposing Shariah on them yourself!

And trolling comments stop with those enough smilies grow up seriously. There is no forcing in what he said, but rather his view which was asked for or he gave in the press. I wonder where your freedom of expression dies off to when this happens

Surely, these MULLAHS of yours know more than Allah himself. That is why they have put themselves IN CHARGE of telling us what's written in the Koran and Hadith without letting us find it out ourselves freely.

Did you even bother opening them before you argue
The rest of your rants are not worth reading

If you got a penny each time you pointed that out in this forum, you would have been a billionaire by now.

If i see it again i will rate him negative and he can not say he was not warned.

 

[scionoftheindus]

Just shutup u good for nothing troll. Buzz off. Why is it always indians are ganging up on syedali , this is second time in last 12 hrs i am seeing some indian making such personal remark against him.

Why is it if he ignores then this kind of attitude must be allowed to go on???

What right syed Ali got to make comments about that girls personal choices...you don't mind calling others names but when we point it out you get angry..her life her choice..who knows she may not be even a practising Muslim..who the hell are you to decide what she has to wear,eat,go etc etc...this type of attitude takes many youngsters away from your religion..anyway when you are dishing it out to someone,prepared to take it too.

 

[syedali73]

Just shutup u good for nothing troll. Buzz off. Why is it always indians are ganging up on syedali , this is second time in last 12 hrs i am seeing some indian making such personal remark against him.

Why is it if he ignores then this kind of attitude must be allowed to go on???

“I don't see how you can write anything of value if you don't offend someone.”
― Marvin Harris

 

[Gufi]

What right syed Ali got to make comments about that girls personal choices...you don't mind calling others names but when we point it out you get angry..her life her choice..who knows she may not be even a practising Muslim..who the hell are you to decide what she has to wear,eat,go etc etc...this type of attitude takes many youngsters away from your religion..anyway when you are dishing it out to someone,prepared to take it too.

HE commented on an article, this is the second time you are pointing out a person.

 

[gau8av]

she's going to burn in eternal hellfire

 

[Shamain]

“I don't see how you can write anything of value if you don't offend someone.”
― Marvin Harris

yes if the one writing something of value is you.

But iwill speak for you where i can. Aap mujhay mana nahi karain kabhi. There is only an extent to which a human could tolerate nonsense. I have been observing things for quite some while now.

 

[scionoftheindus]

“I don't see how you can write anything of value if you don't offend someone.”
― Marvin Harris

Good ..I too agree with it..anyway I don't think I said any thing which is very offensive..you are blowing things out of proportion..I was called dark south Indian many times on the forum..I never took it seriously(even if i were dark,I wouldn't take it seriously)...I don't think I used such a harsh language.

 

[Shamain]

What right syed Ali got to make comments about that girls personal choices...you don't mind calling others names but when we point it out you get angry..her life her choice..who knows she may not be even a practising Muslim..who the hell are you to decide what she has to wear,eat,go etc etc...this type of attitude takes many youngsters away from your religion..anyway when you are dishing it out to someone,prepared to take it too.

Are u mad or something?? Who dished out anything to you???? Syedali bahi was sharing his pov , how on earth isit dishing out to you?

What kind of troll u are?

 

[scionoftheindus]

HE commented on an article, this is the second time you are pointing out a person.

I edited my first post on him...go and check

 

[scionoftheindus]

Are u mad or something?? Who dished out anything to you???? Syedali bahi was sharing his pov , how on earth isit dishing out to you?

What kind of troll u are?

Amma..sorry..you people are making a mountain out of a mole hill...syed Saab..maaf kijiye