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Musharraf: Uniform is an intergral part of my life

Guyz what ever he is doing, there is one thing very bad happening right there these days. Its the loadsheding of electricity. There is no proper planning, and there are rumoures that we dont have enough electricity to supply.

It not a small issue, so many people are dying because of heat. Plus the businsses how are they gonna run, without electricity, similar is the case with industries. This is where mushy is losing my vote:mad: . And these are just the basic needs.
 
melb4aust said:
Guyz what ever he is doing, there is one thing very bad happening right there these days. Its the loadsheding of electricity. There is no proper planning, and there are rumoures that we dont have enough electricity to supply.

It not a small issue, so many people are dying because of heat. Plus the businsses how are they gonna run, without electricity, similar is the case with industries. This is where mushy is losing my vote:mad: . And these are just the basic needs.


Here in Islamabad the is hardly any load shedding but in Punjab and Sindh people are suffering and they are suffering alot. There is nothing much Mushy can do about it.

But this is an interesting situation. We are experiencing a shortage of water and consequently electricity. This is the opertunity to convince those who are anti Kala bagh and other dams to agree for these dams.

Imagine what would happen 10 to 15 years from now if no new dams are built.
 
Lahori paa jee said:
Here in Islamabad the is hardly any load shedding but in Punjab and Sindh people are suffering and they are suffering alot. There is nothing much Mushy can do about it.
Thats the advantage being the capital city and indeed Mush or any other government can't do anything to avoid the shortage at shortterm.

But this is an interesting situation. We are experiencing a shortage of water and consequently electricity. This is the opertunity to convince those who are anti Kala bagh and other dams to agree for these dams.

Imagine what would happen 10 to 15 years from now if no new dams are built.
These are signs of a growing economy, demand is growing by atleast 15% per annum and if govenment fails to meet the requirement in time the economy might collaps!
Another reason for this acute shortage is the fact that 13.000 villages are 'electrified' during this this year only.

Even if we manage to import 4000MW from Tadjikistan next year, we will still be facing severe shortage!

Doesn't look good!
 
Lahori paa jee said:
Here in Islamabad the is hardly any load shedding but in Punjab and Sindh people are suffering and they are suffering alot. There is nothing much Mushy can do about it.

paagee its very unfair and biased u ignored the NWFP man we are experincing 22 hours load-shedding despite being the main producer of electricity. thats wht the big brother has to give us for that.

Lahori paa jee said:
But this is an interesting situation. We are experiencing a shortage of water and consequently electricity. This is the opertunity to convince those who are anti Kala bagh and other dams to agree for these dams.

Imagine what would happen 10 to 15 years from now if no new dams are built.
Now as far as KB is conerned let me come 2mrw and i will answer on this.
 
paagee its very unfair and biased u ignored the NWFP man we are experincing 22 hours load-shedding despite being the main producer of electricity. thats wht the big brother has to give us for that.

When it comes to giving small provinces start expecting almost everything. But its opposite when punjab needs their support.

Sorry if i forgot to mention NWFP. Infact i was talking about all the opponents of Dams

Now as far as KB is conerned let me come 2mrw and i will answer on this.

We will be waiting Jana jee
 
Retd


This has reference to Commander Ali's letter (July 1) in which he calls it unworthy of any Pakistani to pass any remarks against the defenders of this country.

No institution other than our armed forces has received
so much adulation as the armed forces. Their names have always been associated with word 'valiant' spoken or written. Their ranks and batches signified glamour and ideals. In them we attempted to find soldiers like Saladin Ayyubi, and wished them to emulate our great heroes like Khalid bin Walid, who at the height of his victories displayed discipline by relinquishing his command in due deference to

the caliph - a civil authority.

We spent on their perks and privileges more than what a poor country could afford. We expected them to live in austerity but were shocked to see them in the role of Bonapartists. Surely our dreams have gone sour and therefore they miss the past esteem and the warmth which their countrymen previously had for them

More than the display of a rightfully earned dignity, the usage of rank and title even after retirement is to secure undue preferences and privileges at the cost of the common citizen. This reminds us of Napoleon Bonaparte's famous quote: "I have never hesitated to do anything in this world which could give me preference over the rest of mankind."

A. RAZI SIDDIQI,
Karachi

http://dawn.com/2006/07/09/letted.htm#9

A beautiful letter in todays dawn and wanted to share it with all of you
 
Musharaf has been shouting about this expected situation for the last couple of years, and thats why he was bending the attentions the people towards KB dam. But no one took any notice. I have never seen or heard about such miserable electrical issues before in Pakistan. 16 hrs is some thing, and especially in summer. I dono how people are surviving, and as mentioned by NEO its gonna get worst and worst in the next coming years. And may be this is another reason why Pakistan is asking US to provide the similar kind of Nuclear tech, which they are providing to India to bulid atomic reactors to fulfill electrical needs.

There are two thing that can be done here, and i wonder Goverment should pay alot of attention towards this:
  1. Build KALA BAGH DAM
  2. Build more Atomic Reactors

 
Ex-generals, MPs want military out of politics

A group of retired generals, sitting and former parliamentarians and academics have called for disengagement of military from political power by separating the offices of the president and army chief.

“Besides being a constitutional office, the office of president of Pakistan is also a political office (and) combining presidency with the office of Chief of Army Staff politicises the latter post as well as the army,” said the group in a letter addressed to President Gen Pervez Musharraf, Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz and heads of political parties.
Expressing concern over political polarisation and extremism in society, the group stressed the need for conducting dialogue for peace and conciliation.

“Democracy can only be authentic when there is real separation of powers and when all institutions of the state abide by the roles assigned to them by the constitution.

“True federalism will only be possible through political, financial and administrative decentralisation of the state,” it said.

The group includes serving and former members of parliament, former ministers, former governors, two former directors-general of ISI, two academics, a former president of the Islamabad Policy Research Institute and an editor.

“After conducting a series of extensive discussion for over one-and-a-half years, the group has unanimously agreed to seek urgent attention of the heads of the highest public offices and heads of political parties to help reduce growing political polarisation and to desist from taking extremist, inflexible positions,” according to the letter.

The group urged restraint and moderation on all leaders in order to initiate and conduct a sustained dialogue that alone could ensure a peaceful, orderly transition to complete and authentic democracy. The group held consultations in Islamabad during 2005 and 2006 under the auspices of a civil society forum ‘Pildat’.

“Due to a variety of factors, the state and society of Pakistan today face serious challenges to internal cohesion and stability. Despite the existence of elected legislatures and the prospects of the next elections, there is a deficit of trust and credibility that marks virtually all political relationships. Increasing polarisation reflects the dangerous forces of exclusion and dominance.

“Preoccupied though the people may be by critical issues as also by their day-to-day struggle with the quality of life, the whole nation deeply desires that conciliation, which is a collective and shared responsibility, rather than confrontation, (should) be the way forward. The onus is on the leadership of all institutions and organisations, specially the elected representatives of the people and those who hold public office.”

The group said the 2007 elections would not be credible without neutral and impartial caretaker governments, both at the centre and in the provinces.

Genuine empowerment of the Chief Election Commissioner and the Election Commission of Pakistan is essential for transparent elections. For this purpose, it is necessary for the district administrations to be placed under the control of the CEC during the 2007 polls, it suggested.

“All the political parties of the country also have a major responsibility to learn from their past mistakes and commit themselves to strengthening democratic institutions and traditions so as to ensure the rule of law and good governance at all levels.

“To achieve these paramount objectives, the political parties must exercise restraint and respond positively to any offer of dialogue to make free and fair elections possible.

A sustained dialogue between the leadership of principal institutions and organisations is the vital pre-requisite to ensure a peaceful, orderly transition to complete and authentic democracy.”

The group has appealed to all to refrain from taking extremist positions and hurling threats and charges against each other.

Those who have signed the letter are: Lt-Gen (retd) Abdul Qadir, Lt-Gen (retd) Asad Durrani, Javed Jabbar, Dr Hasan Askari Rizvi, Dr Khalida Ghous, Lt-Gen (retd) Moinuddin Haider, Mujibur Rehman Shami, ruling PML Senator S.M. Zafar, PML-N leader Sartaj Aziz, Brig (retd) Shaukat Qadir, PPP MNA Shah Mahmood Qureshi, Lt-Gen (retd) Talat Masood, Lt-Gen (retd) S. Tanwir H. Naqvi, Shafqat Mahmood, Dr Parvez Hassan, Shahid Hamid, Lt-Gen (retd) Hameed Gul and Ahmed Bilal Mehboob.

http://dawn.com/2006/07/23/top4.htm

Atlast people have started demanding Mushys resignation. This is a very big step forward
 
Whoa, about time some body realized it, but sadly, I doubt its going to change a thing :wall:
 
Jay said:
Whoa, about time some body realized it, but sadly, I doubt its going to change a thing

This is a political move by Mush. Army is used to releasing such feeler to check public opinion. We often come across like this.

This time Mush may take this oportunity to shed his uniform and retain the Presidency. As the letter is written by prominent personalities of our society.
 
Benazir warms to offer by ‘president’s men’

While political observers find it mildly amusing that individuals who frequently rub shoulders with President Gen Pervez Musharraf socially should address him in a public letter and advise him against simultaneously holding the offices of president and chief of army staff, they note with interest that the letter had the intended effect on at least one of the recipients.

Pakistan People’s Party chairperson Benazir Bhutto was quick to grasp what has been described as an olive branch offered by those who, for the most part, formed the ruling group after Gen Musharraf came to power in October 1999 and styled himself chief executive.

Ms Bhutto said on Sunday that she welcomed the initiative of ‘retired Pakistani diplomats, civil servants, intelligence chiefs and military officers’ who asked Gen Musharraf to ‘separate the two offices of the president of Pakistan and the chief of the army staff and to build national reconciliation’.

The letter urges the country’s political parties to learn from their past mistakes and commit themselves to strengthening democratic institutions and traditions to ensure the rule of law and good governance.

“To achieve these paramount objectives, the political parties must exercise restraint and respond positively to any offer of dialogue to make free and fair elections possible.”

In conversations with Dawn, some significant signatories to the letter sounded a note of caution. They were at great pains to assert that political analysts should not read too much into the correspondence whose contents, leaked to the media on Saturday evening, caused a flurry of excitement not only among opposition parties, notably the PPP and the Pakistan Muslim League-N, but also in the ruling Pakistan Muslim League.

Former information minister Javed Jabbar, reportedly a close confidant of President Musharraf, who was one of the authors of the letter, said political analysts should be inoculated against conspiracy theories that had lately been doing the rounds.

“As far as the letter is concerned, there is nothing more to it than meets the eye,” he said.

His views were echoed by President Musharraf’s close friend Moinuddin Haider, a retired lieutenant-general, who said he and his like-minded associates had no ulterior motive for dispatching the letter to the president.

“I know President Musharraf very well and I am convinced that he will take the letter in the right spirit,” he said. But former ISI chief Asad Durrani said the letter was issued especially for the benefit of political parties.

“Opposition parties should forsake confrontational politics for national reconciliation. And it is important that this comes about before the 2007 elections. Nobody has trust in the present government and elections organised by it are not likely to be fair. For instance, see what happened in the recent Azad Jammu and Kashmir elections,” he said.

According to Senator S.M. Zafar, whose legal expertise has stood the Musharraf government in good stead on more than one occasion, the letter demands that the next elections be held under an interim government, that the chief election commissioner be absolutely independent and that the offices of president and chief of the army staff are separated.

He refused to explain whether he and other ‘friends’ of Gen Musharraf had any input from the president while drafting the letter.

A bit of secrecy also accompanied the release of the letter. The executive director of the Pakistan Institute of Legislative Development and Transparency, which provided a platform for consultations that led to the draft of the letter, Ahmed Bilal Mehboob, said the letter was not originally meant to be released to the press.

“It was dispatched to the president, the prime minister and the country’s major political parties. I think one of the parties leaked it to the press. And then we had to, willy-nilly, release it,” he said.

President Musharraf’s spokesman, Maj-Gen Shaukat Sultan, refused to comment on the letter. “There is no need for me to comment on it,” he said.

However, sources close to the president said the idea of separating the offices of president and chief of the army staff actually gave expression to President Musharraf’s wishes who, they said, wanted to do this as soon as he could. They added that the letter was released for the benefit of the country’s political parties.

Interestingly, the letter caught the ruling PML unawares and some attempts were reportedly made to get the story killed.

http://dawn.com/2006/07/24/top3.htm

What a blow it would be to Chaudhrys of Gujrat who have been chanting to elect Mush for another term from the same assemblies.

Mark my words they would be the first ones to leave Mushy alone incase he sheds his uniform
 
Lahori paa jee said:
This time Mush may take this oportunity to shed his uniform and retain the Presidency. As the letter is written by prominent personalities of our society.
Has he already hand picked his successor? I'm still uncomfortable, nothing is going to stop the new COAS doing a coup against Mushraff, nothing, Musharaff has set a wrong precedent by circumventing the Pakistani constitution. :disappointed:
 
Even a hand picked successor would have some objectives of his own. Let him shed his uniform and Mushy will be left alone
 
President urged to quit as Army chief

Eight prominent personalities on Tuesday urged President General Pervez Musharraf to relinquish his military office, earnestly beseeching him to allow the Supreme Court to conduct elections strictly in accordance with the Constitution through a consensual neutral caretaker government.

A former caretaker prime minister, two ex-chief justices of the apex court, two former speakers of the National Assembly, an ex-deputy speaker, a former governor and an ex-chief minister signed the three-page letter, a copy of which is available with The News.

"If you volunteer to do so, in defiance of all vested interests, which surround you today, and take Pakistan towards constitutionalism, you will have done your duty,” the communication said.

A few weeks ago, 18 personalities, including some former confidantes, wrote a similar letter to Musharraf to which he hasn’t yet responded. Enumerating reasons for demanding of Musharraf to quit the Army post, they said it would dignify his office of the president by obeying the Constitution.

The letter said that Musharraf has, in his speeches, enunciated a lengthy litany of promises, which remain unfulfilled. “Provincial discord and disharmony has been caused and is being continuously exacerbated by single pursuit of current policies which must be subjected to urgent scrutiny along with dispassionate and rigorous review,” the letter said, adding: “In our considered opinion these policies now pose a serious threat to the integrity, solidarity and well being of Pakistan.”It expressed concern over the actions in Balochistan and tribal areas.

Following is the text:

“Open letter to General Pervez Musharraf

In light of the letter previously written by some of your erstwhile colleagues we, the undersigned, do firmly believe that severe fault lines have emerged in the underpinnings of our Federation during your tenure in the highest office of our state.

Provincial discord and disharmony has been caused and is being continuously exacerbated by single-minded pursuit of current policies, which, we believe, must be subjected to urgent scrutiny along with dispassionate and rigorous review. In our considered opinion these policies now pose a serious threat to the integrity, solidarity and well being of Pakistan.

We are particularly anxious about military action in Balochistan, and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas of our country, where hundreds of innocent Pakistanis, including women, children and the elderly have been killed by Pakistani soldiers and airmen using helicopter gunships under your direct command as chief of army staff.

Not a week passes without the print and electronic media informing the Pakistani people of some incidence of violence in which either armed forces personnel or Pakistanis citizens have lost their lives. In many areas and in numerous communities in Balochistan and FATA women and children, the sick and the elderly, are being denied normal access to food and water as thousands of Baloch and Pushtun homes are currently under siege of our own deployed troops. In the meanwhile the ISPR bulletins inform the media that ‘miscreants’ and ‘hidden hands’ are inflaming ‘insurgency. This revives the ghosts of memories from the days of East Pakistan.

When the Pakistan Army intervened to usurp power for the fourth time many of us may have given you the benefit of the doubt as the seemingly ‘reluctant coup maker.’ None of us sought office under your dispensation although some of us may have informally requested or advised you on evolving an exit strategy which might have avoided putting the institutions of Pakistan at risk, in light of the Supreme Court judgment which gave you, after four months of your intervention, three years to put the nation back on track.

Every nation takes pride in its armed forces as the guardians of its frontiers. Our soldiers, sailors and airmen earn the admiration of the people for their readiness to offer the supreme sacrifice in the fulfilment of their prescribed duties. However, when the army leadership oversteps the limits of its responsibilities and usurps political power, this admiration is in danger of turning into anger. Each time there has been a military takeover, the people have given the benefit of doubt to the generals and accepted their claim that it is only temporary and civilian rule would be restored after putting things back on track. Each time, they have had to face, instead the grim determination of military rulers to hang on to power.

The Constitution of Pakistan, incrementally distorted though it may have been, from its original text of 1973, primarily to meet the strategic exigencies of your predecessor regimes was further mauled in the fourth year of year dispensation and endorsed by a Legislature perceived by the public to be no more than a rubber stamp.

In the frequent addresses which you have made to the people of Pakistan, during your seven long years in power, you have enunciated a lengthy litany of promises which remain unfulfilled.

Seven years of your governance have brought unbearable inflation, rampant lawlessness, increased graft and corruption, no improvement public utilities services, nor in public education nor public health care nor in containing population growth. You have allowed the state of abdicate from its basic responsibilities and the privatization of public sector institutions has not been above controversy. Despite your emphasis on developing infrastructures not one major project initiated in your tenure has reached fruition. The fiscal space allowed to your government after 9/11 is not far from being exhausted and the taint and odour of corrupt practices which you seemed to disdain are now all around you. In having failed to walk your talk you have recorded a net failure in providing good governance to the people of Pakistan and all your policies which have been discordant with national aspiration have collapsed in conclusive failure.

Recently, the Chief Election Commissioner, appointed by you, but who derives his authority form the Constitution, has categorically stated that the President cannot be partisan. You have failed to respect his pronouncement and your own Oath of Office, which is enshrined in the Constitution while you have publicly insisted that you never violate the Constitution.

For all of these reasons we urge you, finally to relinquish your office of Chief of Army Staff which you have held for almost nine years, and to dignify your Office of President by obeying the Constitution of Pakistan. In order to redeem your pledge, made to the people of Pakistan when you assumed total power and in light of the reality that you have retained this power for nearly seven years, we further urge you not to embarrass yourself much longer by clinging to it. We earnestly beseech you General, to hand over to the Apex Court, largely constituted by yourself, to conduct elections strictly in accordance with the constitution, through a consensual neutral caretaker Government, so that we are all further governed through the exercise of free and fair elections which reflect the will of the people, who are the real Sovereign of the territories of Pakistan. If you volunteer to do so, in defiance of all the vested interests which surround you today, and take Pakistan forward towards constitutionalism you will have done your duty.”

Mir Balak Sher Mazari, Syed Fakhar Imam, Illahi Bux Soomro, Wazir Ahmed Jogezai, Miangul Aurangzeb, Mir Taj Mohammad Jamali, Justice Sajjad Ali Shah and Justice Saeeduz Zaman Siddiqui signed the letter.

Source

Another letter by a few prominent people. Its about time that Mushy quits his uniform
 

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