Musharraf answers to the threat of Surgical strikes by India

[DeathGod]

1.I was going to give a detailed response but then realized that its not worth especially when a person has twisted so many facts.

2.Since you are at the border, I would suggest you to check these links and see which one suits you more:

Health Department, Haryana

Punjab Mental Hospital, Amritsar

3.Once you have some sanity then read Abu Zolfiqar's post over and over again. Learn it by heart and recite over and over again like a mantra. We will respond back with butchery strikes insha-Allah!

1. Then why did you reply. Make up your mind on what you want to do.

2. Good show of arrogance . Thank you , your suggestions have been considered.

3. What the hell guys if you or Abu or whosoever is going to say that JuD and Lak are going to remain till the Kashmir issue, then I would just dismiss you guys as a bunch of hypocrites who see TTP as terrorists and not Lak etc. I mean I was shocked to find video evidence of rallies being held for recruitment and money being colleced for Kashmir Jihad ( as you guys like to put it). Is that the way you are going to acheive peace . There can be no other solution to Kashmir except one which will be achieved through talks. Military attempts have failed a number of times already.

Furthermore dont think Pakistan can do what it wants and the world will just keep quiet. This aint the time when the world is with you and any kind of escalation(conventional or nuclear) in case of a JUSTIFIED surgical strike will rip you apart.

Abu talks about taking care of our poor rather than surgical strikes which is nothing but an attempt at deflection and offtopic rant.

I would just say this : Mend your ways & dont support any form of terrorism (LeT,JeM etc), show the world the evidence that you guys are acting against terrorism ( and not selectively), The world will be a better place and Pakistan a better nation.

Keep on following terrorism as a state policy ( with or without the knowledge of common people ) and see Pakistan detoriate further.

 

[Aeri-Eye]

Let's make one thing clear here. Incase of a war with India, Pakistan will not give a crap about what world thinks, says or who it supports.

India will, no doubt, recieve a lot of support from the world, specially western media. But it will not really be helpful as Pakistan will just listen to world's bakwaas from one ear and will take it out from another and will do what it feels is right.

Indian's shouldn't rely on world to back them up or US. If they have the guts and the means to attack us then i suggest they try it. They are most than welcome to do so. As it is our military as well as our Awaam is quite 'exhausted' due to many reasons and if India does make any mistake then i am afraid all the 'ghussa' will be taken out on India

War is never a good option unless you are damn sure you will win it. And between Indo-Pak it is nowhere near 'good'. I hope leaders from both sides sit down and talk things out rather than showing guns to each other as it will only kill innocents. These rich f up politicans from both side will stay safe, they have nothing to loose and it will be poor citizens from both side who will pay the price! Hope it never happens.

 

[DeathGod]

1)Let's make one thing clear here. Incase of a war with India, Pakistan will not give a crap about what world thinks, says or who it supports.

India will, no doubt, recieve a lot of support from the world, specially western media. But it will not really be helpful as Pakistan will just listen to world's bakwaas from one ear and will take it out from another and will do what it feels is right.

2)Indian's shouldn't rely on world to back them up or US. If they have the guts and the means to attack us then i suggest they try it. They are most than welcome to do so. As it is our military as well as our Awaam is quite 'exhausted' due to many reasons and if India does make any mistake then i am afraid all the 'ghussa' will be taken out on India

3)War is never a good option unless you are damn sure you will win it. And between Indo-Pak it is nowhere near 'good'. I hope leaders from both sides sit down and talk things out rather than showing guns to each other as it will only kill innocents. These rich f up politicans from both side will stay safe, they have nothing to loose and it will be poor citizens from both side who will pay the price! Hope it never happens.

1. Change it Sir, Pakistan is a part of the world and not otherwise , so please dont try and act suicidally. I dont understand what kind of adamant thinking is this, If India does a surgical strike mandated by UN then also we will retaliate . We will tell them that dont touch terrorists inside our territory because they are fed and loved by us.This crap should stop.

2. US in not an ally , only a friend . Same goes for many other nations. If the UN tomorrow decides that India should be allowed Surgical Strikes then pakistan wont have an option. If she retailiates , then well consequences can be anything but good.

3. I agree.

 

[Aeri-Eye]

US in not an ally , only a friend . Same goes for many other nations. If the UN tomorrow decides that India should be allowed Surgical Strikes then pakistan wont have an option. If she retailiates , then well consequences can be anything but good.

Sorry but we will not give a damn about UN. They can say whatver they want to, even Uncle Sam won't be able to stop should India try the so called "surgical strikes".

If that was the case then India would've done "surgical strikes" right after Mumbai. Reality is very different my friend. Please come out of your dream and face the reality. There is a reason why we are spending a lot of money on defence and we faced sanctions for your nukes. We paid a heave price and in a way we still are. Please don't assume they are toys......we didn't accquire all this stuff to show off in miliatry parades...they will all be used when/if needed, most probably they will be used against India. Rest assured

 

[qsaark]

“We were with you yesterday! We are still with you today!”, they shouted. But Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan’s former president, the man they were calling to, was there only in spirit, his beaming portrait adorning dozens of posters and banners, beckoning to the attentive, well-behaved crowd with his military salute.

‘We would not abandon our benefactor’ - The National Newspaper

Let me know if you need more links about his popularity within Pakistan. Before I forget, majority of the face book fans are from Punjab (residing in Punajb)

I'll suggest you not to do this convincing here; this sort of political activity is not appropriate on this forum. I am on this forum for almost two years, and this is for the very first time I notice this kind of an activity. Hopefully Mods will take a note of this misuse of the forum.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Musharif is very logical person , of course you throw a stone at my home I will throw a brick back at you well said President sahib

 

[Jackdaws]

All said and done Musharraf turned out to be a wimp. He sneaked into Kargil, overthrew a democratically elected leader, played havoc with the constitution and judiciary and finally ran away.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

All said and done Musharraf turned out to be a wimp. He sneaked into Kargil, overthrew a democratically elected leader, played havoc with the constitution and judiciary and finally ran away.

I think we learned good lessons from Kargil....it was a different kind of battle, and I think they did the most damage in the beginning; i wont go into the mistakes. We don't hide them under the carpet, we learn from them and find ways to adapt and correct them for any possible future conflicts. Older generation passes on the tactics and lessons to the young ones.

Yes he overthrew Sharif government, but that was a different era. Things are changing in Pakistan. Internally, there is political decay. But there is at least externally more signs of maturity. Past is past, it was becoming an inept government. Musharraf saab seemed to look down on such politicians.

He played havoc on judiciary; but judiciary must also be kept in check and not get too big for its boots. The judiciary incident cost him his career. It is ironic that Musharraf saab helped promote a free and indepedent media; hundreds of print/video/radio/news outlets opened up. Same media put pressure on him and his administration later on.

Quite frankly, I think he is enjoying life more now. He is making good money giving lectures at respected institutions. And whenever he gives interviews (even in an enemy country) he sees to it that his point is made across and he keeps Pakistan's interests first and foremost.


these indians were made fools out of for asking such ridiculous questions.......i think everyone here can agree on that.



my 10 rupees

 

[Barrett]

Pakistan will be taken to the dogs

It will be a worse kind of Afghanistan

and then you say

When we can acheive our objectives peacefully

you seriously think after such contradiction you were in a position to suggest me any reading material for better understanding of things ?

Also in last 1 year there hasnt been any major terror attack. On the contrary , terrorist attacks have increased in Pakistan

Yes the terrorist attacks in Pakistan have increased in the past few years and we are very much aware of that and do admit the reality unlike you and your bias media which with its deceits has made you ignorant of the events taking place around you.
You say there hasn’t been a major terrorist attack in India, what epitome of ignorance.

Let’s not go too far


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Tuesday, 16 Feb, 2010

3. What the hell guys if you or Abu or whosoever is going to say that JuD and Lak are going to remain till the Kashmir issue, then I would just dismiss you guys as a bunch of hypocrites who see TTP as terrorists and not Lak etc. I mean I was shocked to find video evidence of rallies being held for recruitment and money being colleced for Kashmir Jihad ( as you guys like to put it). Is that the way you are going to acheive peace . There can be no other solution to Kashmir except one which will be achieved through talks. Military attempts have failed a number of times already.

You were shocked to find videos of rallies being held for fund raising but you never came across any videos of Indian atrocities and the brutality of your armed forces or that’s what your media has kept you ignorant of as well ? is this the way we are going to achieve peace? Well you leave us with no other choice after you deploy 600,000 army personnel.
See you are contradicting yourself once again

“There can be no other solution to Kashmir except one which will be achieved through talks. Military attempts have failed a number of times already”

So what exactly is such heavy army presence doing in the valley? Vacations maybe.

If India does a surgical strike mandated by UN then also we will retaliate

Did you just say UN ? Since when did you start respecting UN’s mandate? Remember Nehru going to UN for Kashmir and then ………

The cruelty of Indian forces over Kashmiri people are imperishable truths.

You can take your tarradiddles and childish rants somewhere else and please don't contradict yourself in the next post as it makes things easier and difficult at the same time.

Cheers

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

24 police killed by naxalits? Seems they are increasing their campaign now.

I think we know where indian should be doing their surgery. Just last week didn't they bomb 2 schools?

 

[SSGPA1]

I am on this forum for almost two years, and this is for the very first time I notice this kind of an activity.

2 whole years and you have yet to learn basics. Don't jump to conclusions, first understand the topic, then read the response and then write your own response.

First read PAFAce's post and then read my post.

Oh no - I insist, No need to say thanks for the lesson.

 

[DeathGod]

1.you seriously think after such contradiction you were in a position to suggest me any reading material for better understanding of things ?

2.Yes the terrorist attacks in Pakistan have increased in the past few years and we are very much aware of that and do admit the reality unlike you and your bias media which with its deceits has made you ignorant of the events taking place around you.
You say there hasn’t been a major terrorist attack in India, what epitome of ignorance.

3.You were shocked to find videos of rallies being held for fund raising but you never came across any videos of Indian atrocities and the brutality of your armed forces or that’s what your media has kept you ignorant of as well ? is this the way we are going to achieve peace? Well you leave us with no other choice after you deploy 600,000 army personnel.

4.Did you just say UN ? Since when did you start respecting UN’s mandate? Remember Nehru going to UN for Kashmir and then ………

The cruelty of Indian forces over Kashmiri people are imperishable truths.

5.You can take your tarradiddles and childish rants somewhere else and please don't contradict yourself in the next post as it makes things easier and difficult at the same time.

Cheers

1.Well I think I am willing to spend my next 5 mins to tell you my perspective :

You say I am contradicting myself , but a better way for you will be to see through what you find is contadicting.

The reading material that I prescribed was not just enough for you to understand or maybe you just didnt go through it. The sole point that I am trying to make is :

One's approach shouldnt be exclusive . If we talk in peaceful manner it shouldnt mean we arent ready for a military means. If we are hell bent on using military means then it shouldnt mean that we wont use our lobby or whatever to gain advantage and look for other peaceful means. There are so many variables in todays world and each of them carries a certain weight . The cumulative sum of those will determine the probability of achieving one's objectives. This is not only true for a nation but also for an individual. The marginal utility of any method(peaceful or military) will start to fall after a limit . My approach is an inclusive one. I am not ready to sacrifice or eliminate any option.

2. The sole point I was trying to make is that the terrorists/resources/focus from the valley have been diverted to Pakistan due to certain steps which we took after 26/11.

3. Firstly,there is a difference between civilians and an army. When you see kids in their teens shouting Jihadi slogans and shopkeepers collecting money at their shops as donations ( in the same way people in India do for floods or cancer ) then one gets the feeling that there is something terribly wrong.

As far as 600,000 men in Kashmir rant is concerned then I would say if 600,000 couldnt stop the imperialistic , immoral conduct of your COAS or PM to do a Kargil , what do you think they would have done had 600k not being there. Stop fooling with yourself and know this:

If IA wouldnt be in Kashmir , PA would have over-run it and you guys have tried it already on so many occassion. You guys want us to be complacent again?

4. I say it again, One needs to bury the past. A unanimous decision from UN in today's world against a country like Pakistan holds a lot of weight . If you want to live in the past , better invent a time machine and transfer yourself back to days when you guys enjoyed better times because frankly speaking the way you guys are going, the future seems bleek. Though as I said earlier, Pakistan has a great potential, it just needs to address a few problems but if there are a lot of people like you who just bury their heads in sand then well I guess no one can help you enough.

5. Ignored.

 

[Storm Force]

Indians should either shut up about SURGICAL STRIKES

Or

GO AHEAD and send in the Flankers and brahmos cruise missles.

WALK THE WALK not talk the talk

too much talk frm india at the moment

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

yeah its bad to bury the past......

so treat Kashmir as a disputed territory whereby the Kashmiris can decide their fate. It isn't like we will ever abandon this issue, regardless of political developments in the country. Every Pakistani from birth onwards has Kashmir in his/her heart.

 

[hembo]

Indians should either shut up about SURGICAL STRIKES

Or

GO AHEAD and send in the Flankers and brahmos cruise missles.

WALK THE WALK not talk the talk

too much talk frm india at the moment

I too have the same feeling. Like it or not, we Indians do have the irritating habit of talking too much un-necessary things. What is the objective of such talks? Are we trying to treaten pakistan in to backing away from the prxy wars? Can it be achieved by showting "Surgical strikes"?

If you want to do it, do it already, it had been 25 years.

Or else, shut up and pursue the other means, diplomatic, peace talk, whatever. Just do more and talk less.