Mush offers to withdraw troops from LoC

[Bull]

Mate, what happened in 1947 was the result of Hari Singh's unwillingness to provide just to the people and let them decide their fate. Lucky for Kashmir that is shares border with us otherwise it would have met same fate as Hyderabad Deccan or Goa.
There's still hope for the people of Kashmir and we intend to reach out to them till they get what they want.:

Thats where i have a problem, in a pricely state its the prince which decides what do with it. but then again you wont agree and i wont agree, so lets leave that and fodcus on mushraff ji.

Kargill was just a message to your armed forces and it was well understood. :

I dont believe it was just a message. What message? What kargil has done is helped IA push for modernisation and babus had to budge. Much tainted Bofors proved it worth. IA understood it lacked WLR, had to modernise artilerry, needed more precision guided munitions.

And moreover it was a failed attempt by PA to block the leh highway.

We don't believe in forceful solution, Kashmir insurgency is an old tactic which served well till 9/11 but we've moved on to diplomatic measures and come up with zillion new proposals, heck Musharraf even offered to demiliterise the zone. How long before you bow to international pressure to do so when WoT is over?
Time will tell...

Who is speaking about KAshmir. Which nation has put pressure or either parties for solving Kashmir? Nobody.

 

[Neo]

Thats where i have a problem, in a pricely state its the prince which decides what do with it. but then again you wont agree and i wont agree, so lets leave that and fodcus on mushraff ji.

You brought history in, not me.

I dont believe it was just a message. What message? What kargil has done is helped IA push for modernisation and babus had to budge. Much tainted Bofors proved it worth. IA understood it lacked WLR, had to modernise artilerry, needed more precision guided munitions.

And moreover it was a failed attempt by PA to block the leh highway.

Whatever weapons you've used in Kargil they were superior in number and quality to ours still we managed to take considerable size of your territory.
Thats the message to IA.

Who is speaking about KAshmir. Which nation has put pressure or either parties for solving Kashmir? Nobody.

I said 'when the WoT is over' all the attention will be on remaining comflicts.

 

[Samudra]

India doesn't take anything seriously whn it comes to Kashmir.

Thats true. Thats the way we like it.

Have you ever wondered why Pakistan is always the first to reach out?

Like reaching out to us after we sent our Prime Minister to sign the Lahore Declaration ? Or like sending earthquake aid across the borders ?

Media is a powerful weapon as it reaches the masses.

A comedian gets as much attention as a head of state does. Does that mean a head of state should become comedian to reach the massess ?

U-turns on statements and trying to appear smart with five changes in costumes per day. Thats not only ridiculous its down right stupid and childish. And trying to sell books. How low can a head of the state go with his fetish for publicity??

y bandits you mean...lol.

The very bandits who had one Prime Minister of Pakistan flying out to Washington to save himself.

This particular guy is India's best bid, you'll come to realise that some day

Lack of choices. Doesn't make him the best. He's just one amongst the worst. We have seen worse.

Tell me, are you happy because you've got the best amongst the worst running the country?

I'd feel sad for that and I'd like to improve.

There's still hope for the people of Kashmir and we intend to reach out to them till they get what they want.

Men can always hope. Its the least they can do.

But you will have to reach out to them in perpetuity. The reach will never be long enough.....and nobody gets what they want.

t would have met same fate as Hyderabad Deccan or Goa

Hyderabad, Deccan and Goa are prospering. And the people of Kashmir are suffering Islamic fundamentalism unleashed by your nation.

Some brotherhood. Some reaching out.

 

[Samudra]

Actually he's giving India the snub by just letting his own position at the higher moral ground be known to the world.

The world of diplomacy doesn't work on these cheap tricks and antics.

Unfortunately, many Pakistanis don't realize this and are lost in his charm. Not our loss.

 

[Samudra]

Whatever weapons you've used in Kargil they were superior in number and quality to ours still we managed to take considerable size of your territory.
Thats the message to IA.

It also taught us that your people don't have the honor to take your dead back ?

Sorry, Kargil just doesn't impress any Indian. It reminded us the need for better forces and also the fact that Pakistan just cannot be trusted. They'd invade after signing a Lahore Declaration.

They'd say we'll pull back troops and stab us in the back.

Thats exactly why we're not taking these statements coming from your leaders seriously enough. Some Kargil. Some lesson.

 

[Cheetah786]

The world of diplomacy doesn't work on these cheap tricks and antics.

Unfortunately, many Pakistanis don't realize this and are lost in his charm. Not our loss.

yeah right.keep telling your self that.

 

[BATMAN]

They'd invade after signing a Lahore Declaration.

Stop acting clever, there is no need of any declaration to redefine that inavding other countries is illegal.
Last time India invaded in Siachin and Kargil was a continuation of same.
Don't pretend naive! have you already forget what R.Gandhi said few weeks back. Do you think India should be trusted in that sense.

 

[Cheetah786]

As long as the WoT is on, kashmir is going to be quiet/calm. No leader replacing Mushraff will have the guts to light up the insurgency again

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Violence flares in Indian Kashmir
Suspected separatists have attacked a paramilitary camp, a police post and an army bus in Indian-controlled Kashmir in an upsurge in violence, killing three government soldiers and wounding another 22, police said.
A grenade attack at the paramilitary camp killed at least two soldiers in Nihama, a village 75km south of Srinagar, the capital of India's Jammu-Kashmir state, S P Pani, the chief of police, said on Friday.
Three soldiers critically wounded in the blast were taken to hospital, Pani said.
Prabhakar Tripathy, a spokesman for the Central Reserve Police Force, said: "We are verifying from where the grenade was lobbed."
Also on Friday, a police post at Sheeri, a village 70km north of Srinagar, was fired on killing one policeman and critically wounding another four, Viplav Kumar, a senior superintendent of police, said.
No one has claimed responsibility for the two attacks.

Bus attack

Several hours earlier, an improvised explosive device was triggered as an army bus passed by in a high-security zone in Srinagar, Sajjad Ahmed, a police officer, said. The 15 wounded soldiers were hospitalised, one in critical condition
In a statement faxed to the local Kashmir News Service, Ahsan Illahi, spokesman for Hezb-ul-Mujahedeen, claimed his group's responsibility for the attack.
Meanwhile, the army said that troops shot dead four suspected separatists in two battles late on Thursday in Pulwama and Udhampur districts, in the south of the disputed region.
Hezb-ul-Mujahedeen is one of a dozen armed groups which have been fighting since 1989 for Kashmir's independence from India or its merger with Pakistan.
More than 68,000 people, mostly civilians, have been killed in the conflict.
India and Pakistan have fought two wars over control of Kashmir since they won independence from Britain in 1947.
The longtime rivals have been holding talks since 2004 to settle the Kashmir dispute, but without success so far.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/841B9265-ACB6-45BF-A212-D310E9C03B25.htm

 

[Bull]

Whatever weapons you've used in Kargil they were superior in number and quality to ours still we managed to take considerable size of your territory.
Thats the message to IA. .

You occupied vacated spots. When we started using our guns you again vacated it.

I said 'when the WoT is over' all the attention will be on remaining comflicts.

Yes , nobody doubts that. Cold war lasted for 50 years, Wot will too. Its only 6 years old now, 44 years to go.

 

[Bull]

Stop acting clever, there is no need of any declaration to redefine that inavding other countries is illegal.
Last time India invaded in Siachin and Kargil was a continuation of same.
Don't pretend naive! have you already forget what R.Gandhi said few weeks back. Do you think India should be trusted in that sense.

Who is asking you to trust us? Its your Pres whos behind our back asking to trust him.

 

[Cheetah786]

Bull;75485]You occupied vacated spots. When we started using our guns you again vacated it.

we were under all kinds of sanctions.India was enjoying all sorts of help.but no worries since we are no longer involve in Kashmir(wink wink) and helping to kill terrorist.we are getting all sorts of new toys.

Yes , nobody doubts that. Cold war lasted for 50 years, Wot will too. Its only 6 years old now, 44 years to go.

i think we are not doing to bad fighting WOT.plus the benefit that comes out of all this is India cant run and cry no more bad Pakistanis are killing us help help.
hey hey hey we are offering all sorts of concessions.(wink wink)we no India had no intentions of accepting that.but as a peace loving country.all we can do is offer if aggressive Indian side don't want it nothing we can do..

 

[Adux]

we were under all kinds of sanctions.India was enjoying all sorts of help.but no worries since we are no longer involve in Kashmir(wink wink) and helping to kill terrorist.we are getting all sorts of new toys.

Are you telling me Musharraf send those kids into kargil without the adequate stuff. And to think that you call him a good general

i think we are not doing to bad fighting WOT.plus the benefit that comes out of all this is India cant run and cry no more bad Pakistanis are killing us help help.
hey hey hey we are offering all sorts of concessions.(wink wink)we no India had no intentions of accepting that.but as a peace loving country.all we can do is offer if aggressive Indian side don't want it nothing we can do..

To be honest with you, pakistani's have a very bad reputation politcally; especially in the international arena

 

[A.Rahman]

To be honest with you, pakistani's have a very bad reputation politcally; especially in the international arena

ever seen National Defense Foreign Affairs report on Indian nuclear poliferation?

 

[Samudra]

^

Its a CRS - A Congressional Research Service report not the National Defense Foreign Affairs report.

 

[Adux]

ever seen National Defense Foreign Affairs report on Indian nuclear poliferation?

hmm, that report has already been bull-shitted on quite so many time's by lot of people. India did do dual use of their foriegn provided civilian reactors, did they give centerfuges to iran or north korea.NO

Anyways,
i wasnt speaking about proliferation.