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Mumbai violence: Reinventing the Muslim victimhood stance

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What happens when Muslims become Majority? :rolleyes:

That would be the end of India, it will be like one of the shyteh@le countries in the sub continent.

get ready for terrorism, sharia, mass killings, talibanization, kidnappings, forced conversions and rape & forced marriages of Hindus, christians, jains , sikhs and all other communities. A failed state and a terrorism hotbed.
 
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And my sources affiliated to Raza academy said that the protest was peaceful
Until some goons came from CST station and started bashing things

And that pic posted yesterday of a guy smashing Amar Jawan memorial looks Bengali (Bangladeshi)
I am pretty sure this illegal immigrant scums created violence

It was recorded by CCTV Cameras of the Railways that the Raza Academy Dudes came from Kurla and Wonder From Where did these Islamic Thugs got Stones to Pelt at CST.

Oh Wait, Raza Mullahs from Kurla!
 
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No, they are the victims and are falsely accused of starting the mess in Mumbai.. Another reason they should now protest more and attack more public properties and kill more people on the street so that people understand how big a victims they are in this cruel world!!

I know these people are such a by birth victims!!
 
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Hey we are not against muslim killings. This illegal migrants issue is just creating havoc .. for the local tribes living in assam.. they are encroaching their lands they are creating fearful environment for the locals by involving in all the criminal activities, and now when then they startd receivieng their own dose.. and then all the cries for what??
No wonder this bangladeshi migrants can gather support from within mumbai.. As many of them also illegally staying in mumbai dharavi. As claimed by all the regional parties of maharashtra...
And about mayanmar and rohingyas.. they are the issue of bangladesh.. not India's problem... if they are getting killed over there due to failure of bangladeshi gov. So if you all want to protest then go in bangladesh and demonstrate your anger in that country....
 
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And you converted the SL issue into a hindu vs non-hindu issue? Look up who the leaders of LTTE were and what religion they belonged to. Do not paint religious color for everything.


Let me provide you another analogy which makes people like me who have a centric view and dream of a modern nation and true secularism in India.

Many Indians move into tribal lands in Jharkhand, Chhattisgarh and Odisha and exploiting the tribal lands. While most Indians oppose Maoists, they have sympathy for tribal issue.

In Assam, illegals encroach into Bodo lands(Bodos are tribals) and when Bodos riot(the latest one you need to understand that Bodos did not start it), here are some organizations painting religious color and supposedly secular parties like SP supporting the illegals. (and if the illegal hindus have migrated to Bodo land, the Bodos still would have seen them as illegals and rioted against them)

Do you see the double standards here?
I see, Only if not even a single assami muslim got killed in the riot. Not even a single assami muslim wasnt present in the displaced.
Fine, How can u support bodos act of killing? How can u allow this? How???? Is india lawless?
There are different report about who set fire first.
If Hindus attacked them they would have attacked them. I agree. Then Hindus would have flooded all over internet crying against congress government. Do u understand this? Dont you agree?
 
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When the religious organizations play their card and pseudosecular parties like SP support them and other pseudosecular parties like Congress play their divisive game while professing inclusive governance, educated people in India have started seeing this charade and left with no secular alternatives, they will lean towards Hindutva parties strenghtening the right wing elements. Their feeling will only be as once Lydon Johnson quoted "They may be b*****ds, but atleast they are our b*****ds". And the educated middleclass population will only increase in the next few decades due to the economic growth.

And the people who play these religious cards does not understand that they are causing trouble to only themselves.
 
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Hey we are not against muslim killings. This illegal migrants issue is just creating havoc .. for the local tribes living in assam.. they are encroaching their lands they are creating fearful environment for the locals by involving in all the criminal activities, and now when then they startd receivieng their own dose.. and then all the cries for what??
No wonder this bangladeshi migrants can gather support from within mumbai.. As many of them also illegally staying in mumbai dharavi. As claimed by all the regional parties of maharashtra...
And about mayanmar and rohingyas.. they are the issue of bangladesh.. not India's problem... if they are getting killed over there due to failure of bangladeshi gov. So if you all want to protest then go in bangladesh and demonstrate your anger in that country....
Any one who talks about illegal migrats should take a owth that, You will actively participate in expelling all 12% hindu migrants and 15-20% bangla hindu migrants also spread all over the India. If not your intentions are very clearly visible.
 
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I see, Only if not even a single assami muslim got killed in the riot. Not even a single assami muslim wasnt present in the displaced.
Fine, How can u support bodos act of killing? How can u allow this? How???? Is india lawless?
There are different report about who set fire first.
If Hindus attacked them they would have attacked them. I agree. Then Hindus would have flooded all over internet crying against congress government. Do u understand this? Dont you agree?

Your post portrays a picture that only illegals were killed and living in refugee camps in Assam. That smacks of bias. How can I respond to it?
 
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ASSAM’S SORROW
Peace in the Bodo heartland proves fragile as clashes between Bodos and Muslims leave 56 persons dead and several thousands homeless.


WHEN the Bodo Liberation Tigers (BLT) signed the second Bodo Accord with the Centre and the Assam government on February 20, 2003, giving up its statehood demand and settling for an autonomous council under the amended provisions of the Sixth Schedule of the Constitution, it gave rise to hopes of development and permanent peace in the Bodoland Territorial Autonomous District (BTAD). The BTAD has its jurisdiction over an area of 8,970 square kilometres in the four districts of Kokrajhar, Chirang, Baksa and Udalguri in Assam and is ruled by the Bodoland Territorial Council (BTC), which was created following the accord.

The recent clashes between Bodos and Muslims in the three BTAD districts of Kokrajhar, Chirang and Baksa and in Bongaigaon and Dhubri districts, which claimed 56 lives and displaced over four lakh people, and the clashes between the two communities in 2008 in the two northern Assam districts of Darrang and Udalguri, which claimed 64 lives and displaced over two lakh people, are indications that peace in the Bodo heartland continues to be fragile. There were also incidents of fratricidal killing among Bodos, with armed groups targeting activists and supporters of rival organisations in 2008 and 2009.

Although the accord did bring some development to the development-deficit area, various communities living in the BTAD accused Bodos, the largest plains tribe of Assam, of not sharing the fruits of development with non-Bodo communities. This feeling of deprivation, coupled with the proliferation of arms in the BTAD areas with insurgent groups as well as former militants indulging in killing, kidnapping and extortion, and the revival of the statehood demand by different Bodo groups, has kept the situation in the Bodo heartland on the boil. Even minor skirmishes have the potential to blow up into a full-scale clash between communities.

The recent clashes were triggered by two incidents in Kokrajhar district, one that occurred on July 6 in which unidentified gunmen shot dead two Muslims and another on July 19 when, again, unidentified gunmen shot at a leader of the All Bodoland Minority Students’ Union (ABMSU) and a leader of the All Assam Minority Students’ Union (AAMSU).

On July 20, four supporters of the erstwhile BLT were lynched by a mob in Joypore, a Muslim-dominated village in the district. What followed was a series of killings and counter-killings by miscreants from both sides, triggering panic among the common people. Members of both the communities began to flee their houses, leaving the ground for miscreants to indulge in arson, destruction and looting.

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People moving to relief camps following violence, in Chirang district of Assam on July 24.
The rail link with Assam was cut off for nearly two days, and over 25,000 railway passengers were stranded at various stations in Assam and West Bengal as mobs blocked railway lines. The Guwahati-bound Rajdhani Express was stoned. Initial official estimates said that more than 5,000 houses had been burnt and 45,000 families of 244 villages had been affected. The clashes resulted in a serious humanitarian crisis, with over four lakh people, who fled their homes, taking shelter in 278 relief camps.

Curfew was clamped and shoot-at-sight orders were issued, but these measures could not deter the miscreants who took advantage of the delay in deploying Central paramilitary forces and the Army. The Army was called out only on the night of July 24 and was deployed in Kokrajhar, Chirang, Dhubri and Bongaigaon districts.

The Tarun Gogoi-led Congress coalition government drew criticism for the delay in the deployment of the Army. However, Gogoi claimed that his government had sent a request for Army help immediately and attributed the late arrival of the troops to “system delay”, without blaming the Centre. Right from the Joint Secretary (North East) in the Ministry of Home Affairs, Sambhu Singh, to leaders of various political parties and other organisations are of the opinion that four crucial days had been lost in controlling the situation. Had the Army arrived earlier, the loss of lives and property could have been minimised, they say. Gogoi also went on record as saying that despite his request to the Centre not to reduce the strength of the Central forces, they had been withdrawn and deployed elsewhere, as result of which the strength of the paramilitary companies got reduced from about 140 to 96. The BTC chief, Hagrama Mahilary, maintained that he had impressed upon the State government on the need to deploy adequate forces in the BTAD areas to deal with the situation effectively. However, his party, the Bodoland People’s Front (BPF), which rules the tribal council and is a coalition partner of the Congress at Dispur, is finding it difficult to convince the people on its position.

The BTAD has a mixed population, which includes communities such as Bodos, Koch-Rajbangshi, Rabhas, Adivasis, tea tribes, Assamese and Bengali Hindus and Muslims. Although the Scheduled Tribes (S.Ts) enjoy exclusive rights over land in the tribal belt and blocks, the Bodo Accord guaranteed protection to the land rights of all communities living in the BTAD, for which the provisions of the Sixth Schedule were amended. While various claims and counter-claims have been made about the population sizes of different communities, a clear picture about the demographic profile of the four autonomous districts can be expected only when the Census authorities publish the details of the 2011 linguistic survey. These districts were created in 2003 after the 2001 Census. The Koch-Rajbangshi and Adivasis and tea tribes in Assam, who have a sizable population in the BTAD, have been fighting for S.T. status.

A section of Muslim intellectuals and organisations championing the cause of the minorities see a conspiracy behind the clashes and allege that it was part of “ethnic cleansing of Muslims and other non-Bodos living in the BTAD by some Bodo groups”.

The All India United Democratic Front (AIUDF), the major opposition party in the Assam Assembly with 18 legislators in a House of 126, asked Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, when he visited the State to take stock of the situation, to dissolve the BTC. The AIUDF president, Badruddin Ajmal, alleged that Bodo miscreants had been attacking non-Bodo communities at the instance of the BTC administration in a bid to reduce the population of non-Bodos to less than 50 per cent. He claimed that the Bodo population in the BTAD was about 29 per cent. The AIUDF’s position has evoked sharp reactions from the BPF and other Bodo groups such as the All Bodo Students Union (ABSU), which charged Ajmal with issuing provocative statements.

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Angry riot victims chasing away legislators (not in the picture) who had come to inspect the relief camp at Bijni in Chirang district.
Hafiz Ahmed, president of the Char Chapori Sahitya Parishad, an Assam-based literary body, described the clashes as “ethnic cleansing of Muslims by Bodos”.

“It is nothing but ethnic cleansing. It was pre-planned. First the Muslims were driven out and their houses, documents, land records were burnt. Now, some Bodo groups are demanding that the inmates of relief camps should not be rehabilitated without ascertaining their citizenship status. This shows their motive to drive away Muslims with the aim of making the BTAD free of non-Bodos. The present BTC arrangement should be reviewed and Bodos should be given satellite autonomy as recommended by the Bhupinder Singh Committee.” He also demanded an inquiry into the clashes by a commission under a sitting judge of the Supreme Court.

The Muslim population in Assam is not homogeneous. It is divided into different categories on the basis of the history of its migration and settlement: indigenous Assamese-speaking Muslims whose forefathers came as Mughal warriors and settled in different parts of the State, indigenous Bengali-speaking Muslims from East Bengal who settled in Assam during pre-Partition days, Bengali-speaking Muslims who migrated from erstwhile East Pakistan in different streams, and Bengali-speaking illegal immigrants from Bangladesh after its creation in 1971, who crossed over through the porous India-Bangladesh border.

The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) described the clashes as “Indian versus foreigners”, with its veteran leader L.K. Advani saying that the root cause of the recurring violence in Assam was illegal immigration from Bangladesh. “Today’s situation arose firstly because of a criminal delay in dealing with the situation when symptoms were already there that something could happen. The introspection must lead to identification of the root cause, which is this issue of illegal immigration from Bangladesh,” Advani told journalists after his visit to Kokrajhar.

Prominent Bodo leader and former Rajya Sabha member Urkhao Gwra Brahma, however, feels that the clashes were the result of inordinate delay on the part of the Central and the State governments to rush adequate forces immediately after the two incidents and also intelligence failure.

Brahma does not agree that illegal immigration of Bangladeshis is the root cause of the clashes or that there was a Bodo conspiracy for “ethnic cleansing”.



“People are trying to generalise. Such theories will only provide the Central and State governments with escape routes while the hard reality is that the present situation was the result of the failure of both the governments to respond to the situation in time. There has not been any movement in the BTAD areas to drive out illegal immigrants although issues of illegal encroachment of tribal belts and blocks are very much there, the primary responsibility for which goes to the State government,” he added.

According to Brahma, a senior leader of the Bodoland People’s Progressive Front (BPPF), a huge stockpile of illegal arms has entered the BTAD areas where groups in every community possess and use arms to exercise control over local resources. He agrees with the view that if one is really serious about bringing permanent peace to the BTAD areas, use of illegal arms should be put to an end in order to allow democratic forces to have their say.

“The ongoing peace talks with various insurgent groups must be expedited to find a permanent solution while illegal arms with some former militants or other elements must be seized,” he said.

Nani Gopal Mahanta, Associate Professor in the Department of Political Science, and Coordinator, Peace and Conflict Studies, Gauhati University, said that while containment of violence and restoration of law and order had become the parameters of sustainable peace in Assam, no attempt had been made to resolve structural issues such as ethnic reconciliation, encroachment of land by illegal immigrants and the settlement of foreigners issue through an updated National Register of Citizens.

“Over the years, there has been a massive increase in the number of illegal Muslim migrants and this has posed a serious issue of identity crisis for the indigenous population. This situation has been facilitated by a vacuum, where Bodos and the lower middle classes have withdrawn themselves from agriculture-centric occupation and moved to the organised sectors. The gap is being filled by immigrant Muslims. Besides, infrastructure development has brought cheap immigrant labourers to the region.

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A house burnt down during the clashes at Kachugaon village in Kokrajhar district on July 23.
The 2003 BTC Accord has failed to resolve the inherent contradictions as it could not ensure the protection of non-Bodos living in the BTC areas. A conglomerate of 27 non-Bodo organisations has launched a movement to exclude non-Bodo villages, which have been arbitrarily included in the BTC areas. The violence in the Bodoland areas demonstrates that an ethnically constituted exclusive homeland cannot be a panacea for a multicultural society such as Assam. Constitutional protection for Bodos and other indigenous tribes will provide a great sense of security. A durable peace process in the region will also require an amicable solution to the vexed illegal foreigners issue in the State,” Mahanta said.

Relief and rehabilitation being the immediate priority, the Congress government faces the daunting task of instilling a sense of security in the inmates of the relief camps so as to meet its self-imposed target date of August 15 for rehabilitation of all displaced people in their own villages. The government will be under pressure to ensure that the inmates of the relief camps do not have to overstay as has been the case in the past.

A total of 48,556 families consisting of 3,14,342 people, who were displaced in the Kokrajhar district and the undivided Bongaigaon district following clashes between Bodos and Muslims in 1993 and between Bodos and Adivasis in 1996 and in 1998, had to overstay in relief camps in subhuman conditions for over a decade owing to a lack of adequate security and proper rehabilitation measures.

Manmohan Singh has announced a Rs.300-crore package, which includes an immediate Special Central Assistance of Rs.100 crore for relief and rehabilitation efforts in the State. Another Rs.100 crore will be provided as Special Plan Assistance for development programmes in the affected areas. Additional funds to the tune of Rs.100 crore will be made available under the Indira Awas Yojana for the affected areas for rebuilding of houses.

The real challenge for the State government and the BTC administration will be to ensure durable peace and build mutual trust not only among the two affected communities but also among all the communities living in the BTAD.

Your post protrays a picture that only illegals were killed and living in refugee camps in Assam. That smacks of bias. And how can I respond it?
I never said, only legal all illegal killed. Both of them could have been killed.
Is it that Indian muslims went and brought them from bangla? If you think conrgress brought them here why dont you go and kill them?
If it was really congress brought them here, If they entered paying bribe to army (I swear one assami told me like this. If you pay 150 Rs to security he will allow 2 people). I hold them more responsible for this situation.
Lets first find who brought them here. Because you will never be able to send them back becaue bangla will not accept them until u show their bangla id.
 
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Any one who talks about illegal migrats should take a owth that, You will actively participate in expelling all 12% hindu migrants and 15-20% bangla hindu migrants also spread all over the India. If not your intentions are very clearly visible.

why bangladeshi muslim want to come in india when they get their share of land in name of islam ??
 
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I see, Only if not even a single assami muslim got killed in the riot. Not even a single assami muslim wasnt present in the displaced.
Fine, How can u support bodos act of killing? How can u allow this? How???? Is india lawless?
There are different report about who set fire first.
If Hindus attacked them they would have attacked them. I agree. Then Hindus would have flooded all over internet crying against congress government. Do u understand this? Dont you agree?

Stop this victimhood already!! First you destroy properties for the sake of illegal migrants just because they are co-coreligionists then cry victim as well over it!!

Btw, illegals killed Bodos in Assam causing the people to retaliate.. Illegals in other corners of world live their lives hiding where as in Assam the illegals are killing the citizens of the land.. And then we have lunatics supporting the illegals in the name of their religion..

India need to learn a lesson or two from China to handle the mess of extremism..

why bangladeshi muslim want to come in india when they get their share of land in name of islam ??

Because their ummah is calling them..
 
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And my sources affiliated to Raza academy said that the protest was peaceful
Until some goons came from CST station and started bashing things

And that pic posted yesterday of a guy smashing Amar Jawan memorial looks Bengali (Bangladeshi)
I am pretty sure this illegal immigrant scums created violence


Raza Academy, Muslim groups apologize for violence

Mumbai's liberal Raza Academy Sunday offered unconditional apology to the the media and Mumbaikars for the widespread violence Saturday and sought forgiveness.
"The people who indulged in violence cannot be Muslims. No Muslim would dare to do anything like this during a Ramzan fast. Somemischief mongers have taken advantage of the situation," Raza Academy president Mohammed Saeed Noori told IANS.
He said Raza Academy and others - All India Sunni Jamaitul Ulema, All India Sunni Ayema-e-Masajid, Jamaat-E- Razae Mustafa and another 20 Sunni Muslim groups - felt "deeplyashamed" over Saturday's violence after a protest march against attacks on Muslims in Assam and Myanmar.
On behalf of everyone, he sought"forgiveness" of the police and the media which have always supported different causes in the past.
Founded in 1978 and generally regarded as asecular outfit, the Raza Academy's reputation suffered a serious setback after Saturday's violence left two people dead and another 100, including 45 policemen, injured.
Ahmed Raza, one of the organisers, took pains to explain that they had never anticipated such a large turnout for the procession. They had thought around 2,000 would participate.
"We have ordered only 1,500 chairs for the public meeting at Azad Maidan in the afternoon but the huge turnout from all over Mumbai shocked us," Raza told IANS.
Awami Vikas Party chief Shamsher Pathan, which had supported the procession, said the violence was "highly deplorable but nipped in the bud".
"I helped police to prevent the crowds from rushing towards CST and diverted them towards New Marine Lines, from the rear sideof Azad Maidan," Pathan, a former assistant commissioner of Mumbai police, told IANS.
"I also appealed on the mike to the groups which were outside the Azad Maidan not to attack the media and police. Simultaneously, with police help, we diverted the 20,000 people inside the Azad Maidan precincts to leave the venue from the backside, towards New Marine Lines.
"If they had gone out of the front side, with angry police and media in confrontation withthe rioters, it could have been another Jallianwala Bagh," Pathan told IANS.
Meanwhile, prominent peace activists including retired Admiral L. Ramdas and film-maker Mahesh Bhatt Sunday condemned Saturday's attack on the media as "mindless and shameless action by misguided individuals".
"Using violence in a protest against violence is an insult to the suffering victims in whose support the protest was purportedly called," astatement said.
They urged the government and police to take exemplary action against the guilty. The other signatories to the statement included Jatin Desai, Lalita Ramdas, Mazher Hussain, Ram Punyani and Kamla Bhasin.


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Double faced people, first commit the foul and then declare the fouling members not part of the team..
 
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all other parties should protest and ban Assam from voting in the central elections so that the bast@rd congressi's do not utilise the illegal votes of Bangladeshis till the time that they agree with everybody to clean up the North East from the illegal scum. But the problem is these bast@ds only think of votes and seats.
 
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I never said, only legal all illegal killed. Both of them could have been killed.
Is it that Indian muslims went and brought them from bangla? If you think conrgress brought them here why dont you go and kill them?If it was really congress brought them here, If they entered paying bribe to army (I swear one assami told me like this. If you pay 150 Rs to security he will allow 2 people). I hold them more responsible for this situation.
Lets first find who brought them here. Because you will never be able to send them back becaue bangla will not accept them until u show their bangla id.

So what are you trying again to portray here on the highlighted portion? Bodos are uneducated tribals. It is proper riot as emotions were running high. They would not know the background. Got it?

The organizations in Mumbai which protested - why they have not seen this? The appropriate way is to raise the issue against the Congress government which has allowed this illegal migration. But instead conducting riots, molesting women and most of all - desecrating a monument which most patriotic Indians will not tolerate.
 
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