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First and foremost your government have accepted that these guys where pakistani's. If that is a lie i cannot believe a truth that you got from googling..!!!! Secondly we only hear about the fishermen captured, but there are 100's who goes scott free..!!! And its nice that you have very high regard of our navy.. but the fact of the matter is they couldn't detect these guys.. and that is a lapse from our navy..!!!! There are other glaring evidences such as satellite phone calls.. ajmal kasab... which is accepted by the world over. I don't know how many times the REAL STORY of mumbai comes up and whther ever this REAL CULPRITS get what they deserve...!!!
 
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First and foremost your government have accepted that these guys where pakistani's. If that is a lie i cannot believe a truth that you got from googling..!!!! Secondly we only hear about the fishermen captured, but there are 100's who goes scott free..!!! And its nice that you have very high regard of our navy.. but the fact of the matter is they couldn't detect these guys.. and that is a lapse from our navy..!!!! There are other glaring evidences such as satellite phone calls.. ajmal kasab... which is accepted by the world over. I don't how many times the REAL STORY of mumbai comes up and whther ever this REAL CULPRITS get what they deserve...!!!

Whatever you say... I say they were Indian terrorist :cheesy: plain and simple truth... and maybe one day truth will reveal it self... You can kep on blaming others... :eek:
 
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You know, this shows media is filtered in Pakistan, no matter it is local or international.

GoP always tries hard to do such things so that Pakistani people can be restricted from getting close to the truth. Letting you see only one side is naturally going to make you biased.
 
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I have gone through the Alex Jones video more than once.

The only conclusion - ALEX JONES IS A BIG BIG FOOL.

Reasons-
1. He talks about about RSS. He is surely not aware of some facts -
a. RSS lacks infrastructure to kill anybody / take part in a riot.
b. There are some Muslims in RSS.
c. RSS stands for Rashtriya Syamsevak Sangh. (Literally meaning 'National Volunteers Organization). They mainly use their network to help people in case of calamities. Also, they run programs in public interest. They have not differentiated between Hindu and Muslim while helping. You can go through reports on 'Tsunami' striking India.
d. There is no 'anti non-Hindu' thought in RSS prayers, literature, public addresses.
e. As far as 'Gandhi issue' is concerned, I advice him to go through one of many books explaining the view of Nathuram Godse behind killing Gandhiji. Book written by Nathuram's brother is also available.

2. He talks about Kashmir. Again -
a. India is not a 'Hindu' state, but a secular one. So there is nothing wrong if GoI rules some area with Muslim majority. There are regions in Kerala and Goa with Christian majority. Does that mean these areas should be handed over to Vatican City?
b. He is simply lying about elections issue. Go through some recent news and you will get the truth. Also, how Pakistan can block elections in the region ruled by GoI?
c. When the hell Indian Special Forces were trained by Israel?

3. He talks about FATA and CIA. It is more likely because of hate for US rather than love for Pakistan.

4. He studies the actions of RAW and he cannot recall the full form of the name of organization. Also, the host seems to make more firm statements than guest. I also have more points, but I think the above are sufficient to support my statement.
 
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It is impossible for GoI to refrain Indian media from a news and giving the news to a foreign authority. Why should they do this? From Indian media or foreign media, the news is going to reach the Indians. And the 'whole' Indian media is not easy to control. They cannot resist the temptation for breaking news even if it is harmful for the nation.
 
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these :guns:politicians must be stoned to death in public (even bullets are waste of money ) weather they are involved or not they are no different from terrorists except that they do not wield guns i bet my life once the election heat touches them none of them will be talking about how to prevent terrorists from stiking but they will say they striked when your govt. was in power they do get dirtier than pigs when campaigning starts and claim themselves to be holier than cows :hitwall::hitwall::hitwall::hitwall::hitwall::hitwall::hitwall:

the BIGGEST handicap of democracy = wealthy politicians

jai hind:tsk:
 
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Mumbai Mystery: American Designs on Pakistan and India

Tariq Saeedi, with Sergi Pyatakov in Moscow and Mark Davidson in Washington


• Mumbai episode is the latest in a long and nefarious story that started unfolding some 16 months ago in the barren hills of Baluchistan, a sparsely populated province in western Pakistan.

• We have been able to do is just remove the lid on the American designs on Pakistan and India. Equally disturbing is the reality that Central Asia, China and Russia are also in the crosshairs of the United States. What we have found is sheer in scope, mind-boggling and frightening.

• Bonus hit on China and Russia: Mumbai incident has indirectly affected Chinese and Russian interests in the region. Two more successful moves on the chessboard and the Americans would be in a position to block RussiaChina in the greater Central Asian region. and If Balochistan is detached from Pakistan, it would contribute to American ambitions to put a full-stop to expansion of Russian and Chinese economic and political influence in the entire region.


• The USA seems to have decided to:
  • o Bifurcate Pakistan using all possible means, including the religious elements that can be bought, coerced or tricked;
  • o Pull the plug on the Indian and Pakistani economies by creating a situation of perpetual confrontation;
  • o Prevent India from becoming an economic rival of the United States in foreseeable future by denying it the energy resources of Central Asia and Iran, and draining its precious human and material assets in dead-end pursuits;
  • o Promote drug addiction in South and Central Asia so that all the opium produced in Afghanistan is consumed in the region and little or none is left for export to the American markets;
  • o Block the economic growth and expanding regional influence of China and Russia;
  • o Acquire logistics facilities and infrastructure network for military action against Iran;

• We started working on this story in July 2007 on a vague tip that some foreign spies had been caught in the Pakistani province of Balochistan. We traveled to Balochistan and started talking to people who had many interesting things to tell.

• We decided to consult Sasha and Misha, two retired KGB colonels, living in a quieter district of Moscow. Sasha and Misha (not their real names), are retired KGB colonels and top-notch experts on Afghanistan and Pakistan. They were among the architects of the original BLA (Balochistan Liberation Army) during the Russo-Afghan war. They know Balochistan better than anyone else we ever met.

• The Americans are going for a major shift in their policy toward Pakistan and they may also be putting together some big operations,” said Sasha.“Go look for something unorthodox,” added Misha. “Unorthodox what,” we asked in exasperation. “Such as Yankee-Jihadi marriage,” said Misha

• There was buzz that a representative of a jihadi outfit recently had a meeting with an American in the Sadabahar area at the edge of Quetta. This was the beginning of August 2007 and the meeting was unusual. We could not identify the American but we managed to trace the jihadi to a splinter group of LeT (Lashkar-e-Taiba).

• “It cannot be an isolated phenomenon. There must be something before and after it. Look for patterns, always look for patterns,” said Sasha. Misha said, “This money will explode. It will explode in many places.” It was early September 2007, and Misha’s black prediction was not long in coming true. BB [Benazir Bhutto, former prime minister of Pakistan] returned to Pakistan on 18 October 2007 after nearly eight years of self-imposed exile…..


• “It is no coincidence that BB decided at this very time to return to Pakistan and hired BKSH to lobby for her in Washington.” “She has been chosen as pillion rider to a wayward Musharraf,” interjected Misha.

• “First, let’s clarify the question of funding by Americans. Financing, arming and training of enemy elements is nothing new in the American policy. The whole Russo-Afghan was fought on funding and training the kind of people who would never be welcome in Washington. However, their being loathsome was not a barrier against their being funded and trained to fight the Russians because, as the Americans are fond of saying, the end justifies the means. “If BB is removed from the scene, it would bring several benefits to Washington, the topmost being swift departure of Musharraf, replaced by a weak government that would be heavily dependent on Americans for its very survival”

• “The pattern here is,” explained Sasha, “that CIA and other American agencies are funding, training and arming MeK [Mujahideen-e-Khalq] in Iraq and Iran to use them against Iran, they are funding and supporting Jundullah in Pakistan and Iran to create trouble in Iran, and now they have co-opted some factions of LeT, possibly some other jihadi outfits also, to do their dirty work in Pakistan.” “Go chase Vickers,” said Misha with the finality that indicated the end of our session with the spymasters.


• Chasing Vickers is easier said than done. Michael Vickers is the assistant secretary of defence responsible for special operations and low intensity warfare. A former Green Beret, he was confirmed as assistant secretary for defence on 23 July 2007. At the height of Afghan operation, he was giving strategic and operational direction to 300 unit commanders, 150000 full time and 500000 part time fighters. He coordinated the efforts of ten countries and oversaw an annual budget of more than US $ 2 billion. In other words, Vickers was the direct challenger of Sasha and Misha in Afghanistan. Special Operations Command (Socom), a part of the portfolio of Vickers, is based in Tampa, Florida. Its annual budget is US $ 8 billion. More than 60000 covert and overt personnel are on its payroll.

• “We are impressed already,” we said, “but what is the connection between American funding of some Pakistani jihadi outfits, the return of BB to Pakistan, and suicide attack on her convoy?”


• X said, “There is general agreement among all the 16 intelligence agencies of the United States that Pakistan is ‘on the edge,’ the situation is ‘very bad, very bleak.’ The latest National Intelligence Estimate describes Pakistan as ‘no money, no energy, no government.’” He was of the opinion that not only the entire intelligence community but the mainstream Democrats and Republicans, and the Pentagon leadership, had come to the conclusion that nothing was going to go forward without dealing directly with Pakistan.

• BB (Benazir Bhutto) got assassinated on 27 December 2007, when she was leaving Liaquat Bagh in Rawalpindi after addressing a huge rally.

• It was absolutely shocking news and our first reaction was to kick ourselves in the butt for not going public with our story in November 2007. Would she still be alive had we released the story in November? It is a question that would always keep haunting us.


• It didn’t take Sasha and Misha long to identify the weapon. “It is a 0.22 high velocity pistol,” said Sasha. “Standard personal weapon of Mossad agents,” added Misha.

• He added, “You keep forgetting what I tell you. Look for patterns. There is certain CIA-Mossad signature that you cannot fail to miss if you are trained to look for it. The nerve gas used to paralyze the pilots of the C-130 carrying Ziaul Haq was made in Israel, but Israelis didn’t put the little box in the mango crate, they used the local people. The poisoning of Shahnawaz [younger brother of BB, who died of poisoning in mid 1980s in Cannes] can be connected to CIA-Mossad if someone cares to open the case again, but it was just the maid of Shahnawaz who did the dirty work, not the Israelis or CIA. There is unmistakable similarity in the riots and endless public processions that led to the ouster of Salvadore Allande in Chile and ZAB and Musharraf in Pakistan; in none of these cases you saw CIA or Mossad officers leading the processions and riots. Look for patterns.”


• The US military is burning nearly 600000 gallons of fuel per day. More than 80% of this comes from Pakistan, through 700 or so road tankers that are vulnerable to all kinds of attacks on their long journey from facilities in Pakistan to American bases in Afghanistan. Aware of this, the Americans have been trying to create an alternate route through Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan. Even if the alternate route is opened fully, it is very long and inefficient and there are risks that Americans are not in a position to counter at present.

• An independent Balochistan will be an ideal territory to keep supply lines open to the US and NATO forces in Afghanistan. Independent Balochistan will provide Americans with excellent locations for putting up their military and naval bases to police the Persian Gulf and make sure that no other naval power including India, China and Russia ever gets upper hand in the Indian Ocean

• Afghanistan produced 6000 tons of opium in 2006, 8200 tons in 2007 and 7700 tons in 2008. On average, the world demand of opium-based narcotics, including heroin, is only half of this production. Where is the rest of opium going? This report gets credence from the fact that about 70% of all opium production in Afghanistan comes from Helmand province, an area under the direct control of the Americans. Narcotics are a traditional source of additional revenues for the American forces, especially the CIA.


Detailed NCA Investigative Report of 13 pages:

Mumbai Mystery: American Designs on Pakistan and India Our leader - Musharraf
 
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"India likely to face more Mumbai-style attacks"

May be you were right as two terrorists,one of them belonging to kasab's district, were killed by UP ATS before striking in DELHI.

Pak just dont learn lesson or govt dont seem to have control over terrorists anymore.

And despite Dawood Ibrahim being India's most wanted man, his network still flourishes in India.

How about you guys control the crime and terrorists in your own country before accusing Pakistan of 'not controlling' criminals and terrorists.
 
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"India likely to face more Mumbai-style attacks"

May be you were right as two terrorists,one of them belonging to kasab's district, were killed by UP ATS before striking in DELHI.

Pak just dont learn lesson or govt dont seem to have control over terrorists anymore.

The fact is that in order to take on the non-Taliban jehadis too, they will have to fight a war in all their provinces at once - i.e. civil war.

Besides, India doesn't have either the political/military leverage or the cash to make the PA do what it is doing in NWFP.
 
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And despite Dawood Ibrahim being India's most wanted man, his network still flourishes in India.

How about you guys control the crime and terrorists in your own country before accusing Pakistan of 'not controlling' criminals and terrorists.


Most of the D-gang's virulent operations in Mumbai have already been dismantled. The only presence they have now is in the unorganized sector particularly emanating from the Muslim neighborhoods which are generally left alone for the sake of social stability (Reference: Look into the works of Suketu Mehta). They do not however have the ability to orchestrate mass acts of terrorism from India.

Furthermore, it would have been a whole lot easier if Dawood wasn't being offered sanctuary outside India from where he remotely operates the remnants of his Indian crime syndicate.
 
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He also allegedly still operates a successfull smuggling operation from the shores of Mumbai and Gujarat.
 
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Most of my Pakistani friends seem to act really bold here. Saying all things like come-on throw it on us we can take it. But the fact is the moment they shut their computer and get on to the streets they are **** SCARED, and the reason is pretty darn apparent. Their goverment has no control over what's happening in their country. They can't stop US strikes, they have a ******* economy, they cant control Taliban and Alqaeda, and their pants go wet when taking action against terrorists cuz you see the were trained by ISI itself.

All in all Pakistan cant do **** about terrorists, cuz the rot in their estabilishment runs too deep. And since their are multi centers of power, the civilian govt is actually worthless, just goes in for filling the criteria of a "popularly elected govt". It can't call the shots. The situation in Pakistan is so bizarre that their own PRESIDENT accused THEIR OWN INTELLEGNCE AGENCY of killing his wife and demanded an intl probe.

So all India can do actually is to warn Pak this time, and the next time anything of this sort happens, go in for surgical strikes. International opinion will always be strongly with India, and would thereby prevent a full fledged war.
 
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He also allegedly still operates a successfull smuggling operation from the shores of Mumbai and Gujarat.

Yes, albeit the nature of the operation has changed. Prior to the economic liberalization; smuggling was Dawood's biggest business enterprise (primarily gold, electronics and human beings). The economic policy changes in the 90s essentially put him out of business overnight, which is when he moved over to violent crime, which spun off into arms trading at a small scale (considering the acquisition of sophisticated firearms in India was very difficult at the time); extortion and narcotics smuggling whereby he was cashing in on the growing influx of money into Bombay. The trifecta of the above mentioned criminal activities eventually enabled him to provide the logistical support for the blasts.

Most of these have been shut down due to the obvious reasons. From what I understand Dawood has over the last decade or so made a big name for himself in the arms black market which he sources from western Pakistan, Central Asia and Eastern Europe. He is apparently extremely active in South East Asia as well. There was actually a really great 'India Today' piece on him a couple of years ago which is really worth tracking down.

He is still sending in a lot of guns/small arms into India through coastal smuggling.
 
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Yes, albeit the nature of the operation has changed. Prior to the economic liberalization; smuggling was Dawood's biggest business enterprise (primarily gold, electronics and human beings). The economic policy changes in the 90s essentially put him out of business overnight, which is when he moved over to violent crime, which spun off into arms trading at a small scale (considering the acquisition of sophisticated firearms in India was very difficult at the time); extortion and narcotics smuggling whereby he was cashing in on the growing influx of money into Bombay. The trifecta of the above mentioned criminal activities eventually enabled him to provide the logistical support for the blasts.

Most of these have been shut down due to the obvious reasons. From what I understand Dawood has over the last decade or so made a big name for himself in the arms black market which he sources from western Pakistan, Central Asia and Eastern Europe. He is apparently extremely active in South East Asia as well. There was actually a really great 'India Today' piece on him a couple of years ago which is really worth tracking down.

He is still sending in a lot of guns/small arms into India through coastal smuggling.

Can remember the month of the mag? Plz do try...
 
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Thank you mate bezerk.. I love they way zaid Hamid speaks man truly pakistani man with a gut to speak so bluntly and without caring of the consequences
 
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