Mumbai Attacks

[salman nedian]

We should also call the RAW chief to show him the evidences that we have of Indian involvement in FATA and Baluchistan.

 

[dr.umer]

The Indian navy had earlier stoked fears of Pakistan's involvement in the attacks by revealing that officers had boarded a cargo vessel which had recently arrived in Mumbai from Karachi.

Pictures were shown of black and yellow rubber dinghies found by the shore. However, the navy later admitted nothing suspicious had been found on the vessel and it had been released.

So Indian navy later admitted that nothing suspicious had been found on the vessel and it had been released but Indian bias media keeps on blaming Pakistan.

Technically India is back to square one with no clues and proofs.

 

[fatman17]

We should also call the RAW chief to show him the evidences that we have of Indian involvement in FATA and Baluchistan.

yes indeed! but later not now...

 

[Neo]

We should also call the RAW chief to show him the evidences that we have of Indian involvement in FATA and Baluchistan.

One thing at a time mate, if it comes to a breakthru there will be repercussion from both sides.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

If Pakistani terrorists can enter India so easily they can bring a Pakistani nuclear bomb easily to India first Pakistani nuclear weapons must be destroyed.they are great threat to the whole world

Pakistani nuclear safeguards are widely acknowledged to be far better and more advanced than the Indian ones, and the US has provided technical and financial input into making that happen (there is a sticky thread devoted to the safeguards I believe).

After the intel and security failures here, I'd be more worried about terrorists getting ahold of Indian nukes and using them in India, unless India gets its safeguards up to Pakistani standards.

 

[Neo]

So Indian navy later admitted that nothing suspicious had been found on the vessel and it had been released but Indian bias media keeps on blaming Pakistan.

Technically India is back to square one with no clues and proofs.

The two vessels mentioned earlier to be intercepted and chased by Indian Navy seem to be registered in Gujerat, not Sindh.

 

[dr.umer]

Officials resist laying blame on al Qaeda for attacks in India​

28 Nov 2008

Miami Herald

The brutal, tactical attack in Mumbai comes at a time when India is flexing its economic muscle worldwide and when tensions between India and Pakistan -- always haunted by the tacit presence of nuclear weapons on both sides of the border -- seemed to have ratcheted down.
As police and military authorities continue to piece together who was behind the attacks and what their goals were, the assault that some are calling India's version of Sept. 11 could threaten the country's financial, political and foreign policy standing.

After past terrorist attacks, Indian leaders have pointed the finger at Pakistani Islamic extremists or intelligence operatives, two forces that often team up for operations in South Asia. Pakistan's defense minister on Thursday condemned the Mumbai attacks and warned India to refrain from blaming Pakistan, a longtime rival.

Those who are raising the specter of ''India's 9/11,'' comparing the targeting of India's business elite and foreign investors to the 2001 attacks in the United States, point to the targets: Mumbai is South Asia's financial hub and an entertainment capital, and many of the glitzy targets symbolize the new cosmopolitan face of the world's largest democracy.

Western counterterrorism officials are watching for answers to the key issue: possible connections to foreign terrorism networks.

The timing and dimensions of the Thanksgiving eve assault on multiple Western targets suggest the involvement of al Qaeda or one of its Pakistani allies, according to two senior European counterterrorism officials.

But officials warned against speculation because the evidence remains limited and the incident is not resolved. Most al-Qaeda-linked attacks involve bombs and suicide attackers rather than well-trained, commando-style gunmen using automatic weapons and grenades to take hostages.

''The [modus operandi] is different than previous mass-casualty attacks,'' said a senior European counterterrorism official.

"It's too early to tell. We are not drawing any definitive conclusions.''

Many analysts said the attacks were more likely to have been carried out by indigenous, Indian extremist groups blamed for a series of bombings this year rather than Pakistani-linked ones.

They also noted that India's government stood to benefit politically for hinting at the involvement of its old rival -- rather than admitting some of its own 145 million Muslims had become radicalized.

''It will always want to label this militancy as foreign rather than to accept it has its own problem,'' said Shaun Gregory, an expert on South Asian terrorism at the University of Bradford in Britain. ``That sells much more easily to the Indian public than admitting serious grievances within its Muslims.''

Relations between India and Pakistan have improved in recent years, helped by a reduction in the flow of militants into Kashmir, the divided and violence-torn territory at the core of their dispute.

EXTREMIST GROUP

In fact, an Indian extremist group could have pulled off the attacks to advance al Qaeda's war on the West, some experts said. Precedents would be the train bombings in 2004 in Madrid, Spain, or the Bali bombings in 2002, major strikes executed by local militants with only indirect ties -- training, ideological contacts -- to the core leaders of al Qaeda, said Louis Caprioli, a former counterterrorism chief in France.

In either scenario, the masterminds might have intended to send ''a challenge to the new president of the United States,'' said Louis Caprioli, a former counterterrorism chief in France.

Christine Fair, senior political scientist and a South Asia expert at the RAND Corporation, said, "There are a lot of very, very angry Muslims in India. The economic disparities are startling and India has been very slow to publicly embrace its rising Muslim problem. You cannot put lipstick on this pig. This is a major domestic political challenge for India.''

'The public political face of India says, `Our Muslims have not been radicalized.' But the Indian intelligence apparatus knows that's not true. India's Muslim communities are being sucked into the global landscape of Islamist jihad.''

DOMESTIC ISSUE

"Indians will have a strong incentive to link this to al Qaeda. But this is a domestic issue. This is not India's 9/11."

In the short term, the terror attacks likely will depress stocks, dampen tourism and slow new investment, but are unlikely to inflict long-term damage on the nation's economy, analysts and business people said.

''This is a challenge for the government to maintain law and order in the country,'' said Takahira Ogawa, director of sovereign ratings at Standard & Poor's in Singapore. ``At this stage, I don't think there will be any major impact on the macroeconomic or fiscal position of the government.''

 

[shchinese]

I hope India doesn't let the Pakistanis off the hook this time.

Indira and Mujib made a great mistake in not conducting war crimes trials for the 100,000 Pakistani soldiers that surrendered in 1971.

China made a even bigger mistake at that time as we were at the shitty Culture Revolution which seriously damaged our economy and military strength. The bad Sino-USSR relationship (about one million USSR troops deployed at Chinese border) at that time also stopped us providing more aid for Pakistan.

Now, China is no longer that 1971 poor country. With the roads connections to Pakistan, I can honestly assure you that should there be any India-Pakistan conflict the consequence would be huge for India as you would see unlimited volume of goods/weapons/troops flow into Pakistan from those roads/railways/sea ports.

Mate, I honestly suggest you to check the history of my country, our last major military operation was against Vietnam (which I don't support) in late 1970s, we didn't have any offensive operation in the past 30 years - this is VERY rare in our 5000 years of history. At the same time, the overall strength of our economy and technology have been largely improved. Threating the only ally of us is just NOT a good approach. You should also honestly remind yourself that China is the only country which had real conflicts with both the USSR and the US during the cold war. What your troops have ever achieved other than invading Pakistan when we couldn't offer more help?

Last but not least, I suggest you to have a read of the following post, the overall economic and technology of we two countries are VERY different, you have a 30 years gap. Is it a smart thing to say "I hope India doesn't let the Pakistanis off the hook this time."? I don't think so. I don't think you will ever see this happen in your and your children's life time.

a small small Chinese city in the border region.

 

[fatman17]

shchinese - the indian media is claiming that the hand grenades used in this attack were of chinese origin.

 

[smeaglegolum]

^ i hope they have National Bank of Pakistan credit cards also,they were part tourist also

Hopefully they find some IDs, just like they did in kargil.

 

[Munir]

Excellent!
More and more western media is looking into the possibility of other elements than Pakistan or ISI alone.

It does suprise me that most Dutch papers are on the Indian side and just copy blindely the fingerpointing. Well, we can conclude that the intellectuel level of most Dutch papers is hardly average. Otherwise the Indian and Israeli influence is here a lot higher so they have a view that is supported.

The most influential research institute here is not blaiming Pakistan but more the internal problems in India.

 

[Halaku Khan]

Technically India is back to square one with no clues and proofs.

Then why is your COAS and ISI chief going to Delhi? Seems to me there there is a lot of evidence including live captured Pakistani terrorists.

 

[respectfullyyours]

The Chinese grenades that these cowards seem to be using let out big bang when they off. Also, it seems that while throwing one of the grenades at a fire-tender at the Taj, a cell phone slipped out and fell down. The call details, without doubt, is interesting.

Breaking News : NSG Commandos resolve situation at Nariman House.

Seems like they finally put a hole in the heads of the cowards at Nariman House.

 

[Munir]

Then why is your COAS and ISI chief going to Delhi? Seems to me there there is a lot of evidence including live captured Pakistani terrorists.

Are you realy from planet earth? Maybe because your intellegence, politicians and military fail in every aspect?

If it is 100% Pakistani then they would scream like girls... That is the usual practice. And do behave here.

 

[Munir]

should there be any real conflict between countries, they will see more Chinese made "products" in their population centers.

I thought Pak made a lot of grenades... Why using Chinese? O... I would have expected it. They need to link everything based on purely imagination.