Mumbai Attacks

[Blossom]

the Fact is that both Pakistan and India ,at the same time,is infested with Terrosists.millitants etc.who WE are supposed to blame then?
India? Ladies and Gentleman.India is being attacked by pakistani Terrosrists trained by the Goverment and vice a cersa.
its Hypothectical!

 

[pkpatriotic]

Commandoes get down from a chopper to the roof of a house owned by Israelis in Colaba, Mumbai, India, Friday, Nov. 28, 2008. Security forces assaulted a Jewish center in Mumbai where Muslim militants were believed holed up with possible hostages Friday, with black-clad commandos dropping from a Indian helicopter as sharpshooters opened fire on the five-story building.



Indian army soldiers climb onto their vehicle outside Oberoi Trident Hotel where suspected militants are holed up in Mumbai, India, Friday, Nov. 28, 2008. Masked Indian commandos dropped from helicopters Friday onto the roof of a Jewish center in Mumbai where Muslim militants were holed up, possibly with hostages, as sharpshooters kept up a steady stream of fire at the five-story building.



Indian army soldiers patrol outside Oberoi Trident Hotel where suspected militants are holed up in Mumbai, India, Friday, Nov. 28, 2008. The well-coordinated strikes by small bands of gunmen starting Wednesday night left the city shell-shocked, but the sporadic gunfire and explosions at the Taj Mahal and Oberoi hotels dwindled overnight, indicating the siege might be winding down.

 

[haviZsultan]

Talking of Backlash , really I think it's a crime to belong to the lower class , irrespective of any religion . Any petty theft or mischief is blamed on any slum Dwellers , be it a Dalit from MP, Migrant from UP or Bihar , Bengali domestic help or Muslims.

About that Teddy thing , can you tell me how to remove it - I don't like to have avtars , someone just stuck it there.

I live in Saket in Delhi , pretty far off from Model town , I think thats north Delhi.

Life's been easy for me here , I schooled from a public school , graduated from IIT-D in telecommunications and don't have a single muslim friend , all pucca dilli walla punjabi guys.

But I'm extremely sorry to hear about hate crimes your family had to suffer.

Ya man thats near gayatri hospital or sumthin... its way north... but really nice area!

I think the issue with Muslims of India is that not all of you r not pushed into the situation where u have to rethink where ur loyalty lies and how welcome or accepted you really are in India. We Were pushed into this situation and generally the people that escape here sort of tend to blame the muslims of India for not doing anything to protect them when they were being attacked by fanatics or police was doing an injustice with them. They tend to be the most patriotic citizens of Pakistan as well.

Actually we escaped india for the sole reason that there was a bias in India (u know this very well) Only difference is u haven't suffered it directly. Our loyalty is always in question etc and we were seen as pro pakistani and less pro Indian (cauz our stand on kashmir is different etc) but that is'nt much to make a major change. Issue comes when u are directly affected and ur relatives are killed and u dont get the justice u deserve. Police and courts both are completely corrupt in India and have absolutely betrayed us. I've lived in hyderbad afzalganj with my cousiin and in lucknow our khandaan is based in chowk. So ya guess i knw india well..... a little atleast! My cousin shifted here f4m hydz in 2003 so yaa...... no more hangin round afzalganj n all f4 me...

Actually Gandhi may have been a great man but same hindu fanatics killed him and these same people have always been threat to united india. No matter what religion a person belongs to fanaticism and terrorism is not a good thing. Hindus and muslims must live in peace but being oppressed in the name of this peace is absolute bullshit and it is we who have to decide this.

Change ur display by going to user cp and change pic i think...

 

[Blossom]

ofcourse nobody can be ruthless enough to motivate or back'em up for their homicide activities( i mean ordinary people indians/Pakistani).The matter in question is,Pakistanis are blamed everytime.On and Off whatever happens,Indians just don't need any time to even think,investigate and then conclude.They have the conclusion already!

 

[haviZsultan]

o please! now this is getting on my nerves .you can't be so persistant and certain when blaming and misjudging Pakistan or Pakistanis for that matter ok!
did you happen to know those Terrorists personally.hah! i guess you do.
come up with somthing more authentic and contemplative!
its ludicrous!

Ofcourse he knew them personally. RAW is directly sponsering terrorism on Pakistani soil. For example this article that proves it so obviously many indians would be agents for them and stuff right:

Arrested militants name RAW, Afghan agency for funding

Wednesday October 22, 2008 (1118 PST)

LAHORE: The three arrested members of a militants’ gang especially deputed by Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan have disclosed that RAW has been funding suicide bomb attacks in Pakistan and that the Indian agency has funnelled Rs 680 million through its links with the Afghan secret agency.

The gang of three persons have brazenly admitted that they belong to the group of persons who had been deputed to ‘destabilise democratic Pakistan’ with the sole purpose of ‘enforcement of Shariah’ in the country.

Operators of an intelligence agency, working beyond the call of their duty, came into contact with a source ready for a tip-off against a reward and led to the arrest of Khurram Ishtiaq, Ghulam Mustafa and Shamim. The persons had been working under Qari Hussain, second-in-command to Baitullah Mehsud. All the three had been arrested on Aug 13 this year while they were on the prowl for a target. The militants had been arrested ‘red-handed’ as they possessed complete suicide kits, including two jackets and 70kg of explosives and detonators.

The accused were hardened militants and took a lot of time to break in and make confessions. They revealed that Qari Hussain had been working to help three adjutants—Farukh Usman alias Shahjee, Tayyab alias Baba; Ustad, the trainer to destabilise democratic government.

Qari Hussain, the leader, prepares suicide bombers and dispatches them throughout Pakistan. He also manages funds for the splinter groups from RAW which works in collusion with the Afghan intelligence agency RAM.

Farukh Usman works as Qari’s deputy and runs the sub-setup to carry out attacks in Lahore in particular and Punjab in general. He was the mastermind of suicide attacks on FIA building, Naval War College, Model Town, Lahore High Court and PAF bus in Sargodha, the investigation has revealed.

Tayyab alias Baba mainly deals with Rawalpindi/Islamabad. He was the man behind blasts at Aabpara Market and Marriott Hotel. The third person known only as Ustad is an expert of making bombs. He is said to be of Indian origin and he ‘works with a vengeance’. He is the man who leads suicide bombers to the marked site of the blast.

The investigation revealed that there are two sub-teams: three persons of one team work under Ustad. Two of the arrested persons—Shahmim Alam alias Sohail alias Kashif alias Uncle and Khurram Ishtiaq alias Ibrahim—have been active members of the TTP and worked under direct guidance of Ustad.

Shamim was the facilitator. His task was to distribute funds to suicide bombers at the behest of Qari Hussain and Tayyab@Baba. Being educated and a well-dressed civilian-look-alike, he was assigned another important job of providing ‘reconnaissance of the target area’.

He possesses the canny ability of mixing up with urbanites. Khurram Ishtiaq alias Ibrahim is a well-trained militant. His job is to harbour suicide bombers at a secret venue till they are led to the area of operation to carry out the job. The third person of this setup, Sajid, is a resident of Ali Khel, Waziristan. It is not certain whether his services were ‘utilized’ or made his escape good.

Another team which works under Farrukh Usman alias Shahjee includes Bablu, Rehan, Ghulam Mustafa @Asif (the third arrested person) and Abdul Rahim. Bablu’s assignment is to provide explosives at the nick of time when the suicide bombers have been finally prepared to perform the ‘sacred feat’.

Ghulam Mustafa and Abdul Rahim, a diehard Jehadi serve as guards and take care that none of perpetrators shows his back and become a deserter. In that case, there is only one choice left and that too leads one to heavens.

Former boss of the intelligence agency, Tariq Lodhi, had recommended a reward and commendation for the team who apprehended the culprits but they say their new boss Shoaib Suddle turned it down on the grounds that agency operators just did their job and no reward should be given for performing duty.

The team members disclosed that they had arrested two prime targets during Pervaiz Musharraf regime and they both had a head money of $5 million each but the reward money was shared by the two premier agencies instead passing it on to the individuals who had arrested them on their own initiative.

The team has long been working on the intelligence of militants but they got the culprits apprehended through a middleman who is ready to divulge more but “only if he is rewarded for the catch.”

The team claims that it could reach out to Qari Hussain and his gang and thus eliminate the danger of suicide blasts in Pakistan by 90 percent. Talking to our sources on the condition of not divulging their names, they said, “We neither have free hand nor enough resources to break the hornet’s nest.”

End.

 

[haviZsultan]

ofcourse nobody can be ruthless enough to motivate or back'em up for their homicide activities( i mean ordinary people indians/Pakistani).The matter in question is,Pakistanis are blamed everytime.On and Off whatever happens,Indians just don't need any time to even think,investigate and then conclude.They have the conclusion already!

Just do exactly what they do... go for it! Hit RAW. We all know every blast or every bullet fired in India will be blamed on Pakistan or Bangladesh so whats the issue here.

U c infact India is clearly supporting militants in our country and giving them supply of heavy weapons and providing training to suicide bomb people in Pakistan etc. The article is prood of illegal indian activity and how India is involved in major genocide of pakistanis in tribal regions hiding behind the cloak of taliban

 

[Flintlock]

Updates:

-the FBI is coming to India to help in the investigations

-The Israelis have opened a crisis centre

-The EU is sending a plane to take Europeans home.

 

[Awesome]

This was said by MARCOS who were engaging the terrorists very first not by NSG who have taken over long back

They were talking live, an hour back.

 

[fatman17]

Clues suggest homegrown terrorists in India attack

By PAISLEY DODDS

LONDON (AP) — The attack on India's financial capital bears all the trademarks of al-Qaida — simultaneous assaults meant to kill scores of Westerners in iconic buildings — but clues so far point to homegrown Indian terrorists, global intelligence officials said Thursday.

Spy agencies around the world were caught off guard by the deadly attack, in which gunmen sprayed crowds with bullets, torched landmark hotels and took dozens of hostages.

"We have been actively monitoring plots in Britain and abroad and there was nothing to indicate something like this was about to happen," a British security official told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of his work.

Britain is the former colonial power in India and Pakistan and closely monitors terrorist suspects in those countries.

In some ways, the attack illustrated just how fluid terror tactics have become since Sept. 11 — and how the threat has become more global. Al-Qaida's leaders on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border still provide inspiration but groups are becoming increasingly local.

The group that claimed responsibility, Deccan Mujahideen, was unknown to global security officials. The name suggested the group was Indian.

One of the suspects reportedly called an Indian television station, speaking the main Pakistani language of Urdu, to demand the return of Muslim lands. That was a reference to Kashmir, territory claimed by both India and Pakistan.

But Ajai Sahni, head of the New Delhi-based Institute for Conflict Management who has close ties to India's police and intelligence, said the attack was a departure from past assaults waged over Kashmir. Other such attacks had targeted Indian legislators, not Westerners.

Security officials said it was too soon to make a connection to Pakistan.

"It would be premature ... to reach any hard-and-fast conclusions on who may be responsible for the attacks, but some of what we're seeing is reminiscent of past terrorist operations undertaken by groups such as Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed," a U.S. counterterrorism official said on condition of anonymity, referring to Pakistani militant groups linked to al-Qaida who have fought Indian troops in Kashmir.

Another British security official told the AP on condition of anonymity that the attack doesn't look to have been directed by al-Qaida's core leadership, which has been weakened by the deaths of several leaders and key operatives in recent months.

Al-Qaida's core leadership is believed to be fewer than 100 people now, said Rohan Gunaratna, author of "Inside Al-Qaida" and a terrorism expert at the International Center for Political Violence and Terrorism Research in Singapore.

The British security official said it appeared the attack was inspired by Islamic extremist ideology and al-Qaida propaganda popular among radicalized youths. Many of the attackers in the Mumbai assault were young.

Gunaratna said he believed the group that carried out Wednesday's attack was the Indian Mujahideen, responsible for past attacks in Mumbai.

The word "Deccan" refers to a plateau in southern India. "Mujahideen" refers to holy warriors.

"The earlier generation of terrorist groups in India were mostly linked to Pakistan," Gunaratna told the AP. "But today we are seeing a dramatic change. They are almost all homegrown groups. ... They are very angry and firmly believe that India is killing Muslims and attacking Islam."

British-based Jane's Information Group said it thought the attackers could be Indian but that taking hostages suggested a wider anti-Western agenda.

"Until now, terrorist attacks in India have targeted civilians, often in busy market or commercial areas, and in communally sensitive areas with the intention to foment unrest between Hindu and Muslim communities," said Urmila Venugopalan, Jane's South Asia analyst.

"This stands in contrast to the national issues that appeared to motivate Indian Mujahideen," Venugopalan said.

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh blamed "external forces" but stopped short of blaming Pakistan. Both are nuclear-armed countries.

In September, a massive suicide truck bomb devastated the Marriott Hotel in the Pakistani capital, Islamabad, killing at least 54 people, including three Americans and the Czech ambassador.

"This type of terrorism is spreading, through Pakistan and now India, but we were all surprised by such a large-scale attack like this," said Wajid Hassan, Pakistan's High Commissioner in London. "This is no coincidence that this type of attack happened so soon after the bombing of the Marriott Hotel. People from all countries are being paid to fight this al-Qaida war. This is a war that goes beyond any nationality."

Sahni, however, said "very preliminary investigations and intelligence information would suggest that some groups based in Pakistan are the most likely.

"If there is Indian participation, it's most likely to be Students' Islamic Movement of India," he said, referring to a radical student group banned in India in 2001.

Indian intelligence officials were also investigating whether Mumbai's criminal underworld could be involved.

"It's a possibility," Sahni said. "When we say Mumbai underworld we're talking of Dawood Ibrahim."

Ibrahim is one of India's most wanted men and also the alleged mastermind behind bombings in Mumbai in 1993 that killed 257 people. He has reportedly fled Mumbai, and police now believe he lives in Pakistan. Pakistani officials have denied this.

Associated Press writers Pamela Hess in Washington, Gregory Katz and David Stringer in London, Lee Keath in Cairo and Muneeza Naqvi in New Delhi contributed to this report.

 

[Imran Khan]

 

[dr.umer]

Indian papers flail intelligence failures in Mumbai attacks​

28 Nov 2008

NEW DELHI (AFP) — Indian newspapers on Friday slammed the government and intelligence agencies for failing to prevent the Mumbai attacks, saying the country's anti-terrorism forces were ill-prepared for the militants.

"Mumbai Maimed, Nation Shamed" read the banner headline in the Mail Today, which said the country's intelligence agencies "had no clue of the impending attack" despite spending huge amounts of money on anti-terror measures.

An editorial in the Hindustan Times reflected the tone of much of the coverage, saying that "losing our best officers to frontal assaults is a brave but utterly hopeless way of fighting modern terror.

"It is time to learn... that global terror cannot be fought without transforming our national security."

The Times of India editorial, titled "It's War -- Mumbai attacks challenge the nation to fight back," also questioned why anti-terror agencies had failed.

"How well do we run them, how well-resourced are they, and is there proper coordination among them to maximise and collate information?" it said.

Noting the time lost in deploying special forces, the paper said: "The point is that even in circumstances where personnel and infrastructure were available, planning and execution are shockingly poor."

The Indian Express poured scorn on the secret services.

"What are the intelligence mechanisms that failed to pick up a terrorist plan with as much micro-planning as this one?" it said.

"What can be done so that this does not recur? Because without working through this question, there can be no closure."

The paper also launched a personal attack on the Indian prime minister via a front-page opinion piece, saying there was "a special responsibility on Manmohan Singh's shoulders."

"In 1991, he liberated our economy. Over the past five years, he modernised our foreign policy," it said.

"Partly distracted by that, and partly by the politics of his coalition, he has not been able to make the slightest difference to our internal security. He has to now start fixing that."

Other banner headlines exclaimed "Terror Uninterrupted," "Fear, Pain, Anger" and "Mumbai At War."

The Hindu newspaper took a caustic tone, saying that India's "fractious and often bitter religious politics has not helped in keeping religiously motivated terrorism in check."

"The strengthening of the intelligence machinery with increased manpower and more sophisticated equipment, which is promised every time a terrorist attack takes place, brooks no further delay," it said.

All papers honoured the 15 or more security personnel were killed, including the head of Mumbai's anti-terror squad.

"An officer and a gentleman lays down his life," read one tribute.

 

[Imran Khan]

pakistani PM offer manmohen to send ISI chef for help in investigations

Indian PM sees ‘external linkages’ in Mumbai attacks
* At least 125 people including 9 foreigners killed, 315 wounded
* Americans, French, Israelis and Canadians among those held hostage or trapped
* Lashkar-e-Tayyaba denies involvement in attacks
* Indian cabinet lashes out at home minister, intelligence agencies

 

[Chanakya.10]

Initial information suggests Pak hand in Mumbai attack: Pranab
28 Nov 2008, 1417 hrs IST, PTI

JODHPUR: India on Friday said preliminary information suggested that "some elements" in Pakistan were responsible for the terror strikes in Mumbai.

New Delhi is expected to take up the matter with Islamabad when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh speaks with Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari later in the day.

"According to preliminary information, some elements in Pakistan are responsible for Mumbai terror attacks," External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee told reporters here.

"Proof cannot be disclosed at this time," he said, noting that Pakistan had assured India that it will not allow use of its territory for launching attacks against this country.

Pakistan had given this assurance at a meeting Singh and Zardari had on the margins of the United Nations General Assembly session on September 24.

In an address to the nation, the Prime Minister had yesterday blamed elements outside the country for the terror strikes in Mumbai and warned that India will not tolerate the use of territory of its neighbours for attacks in the country.

India will take up "strongly with our neighbours that the use of their territory for launching attacks on us will not be tolerated and that there would be a cost if suitable measures are not taken by them."

Singh had said the "well-planned and well-orchestrated attacks, probably with external linkages, were intended to create a sense of panic by choosing high profile targets and indiscriminately killing foreigners."

 

[Imran Khan]

Situation Update

At Taj: Fresh firing
Trident completely clear of terrorists: Report
PM to talk to Zardari about attacks
At Trident: Foreigners evacuated
NSG suffered casualties in the operations
Ten terror attacks rock Mumbai
More »

 

[Flintlock]

Mumbai gunmen 'British-born'

1 hour ago

Some of the gunmen involved in the Mumbai attacks are believed to be British-born Pakistanis, it was reported.

Indian news channel NDTV reported that "British citizens of Pakistani origin" were among the attackers.

A Foreign Office spokeswoman said: "We have seen the media reports but we are not aware of anything giving any credence to those reports at the moment."

Meanwhile, Foreign Secretary David Miliband has expressed sympathy with the family of Andreas Liveras, the one Briton confirmed dead after terrorist attacks in Mumbai.

Mr Miliband said: "This is a callous, inhuman and indiscriminate attack on people of all races and all religions.

"This attack in Mumbai is an attack on all of us because democracy in India is vibrant and because Mumbai is one of the world's most diverse cities.

"The most terrible thing is that we do have one confirmed British fatality.

"Obviously our hearts go out to the family of the victim and we are determined to do all we can to support those who are currently in hospital."

Prime Minister Gordon Brown said the terrorist attacks were met by "shock and outrage" around the world and pledged all possible UK support for the Indian authorities in dealing with it.

Mr Brown spoke on Thursday after visiting staff at a Foreign Office emergency response centre, which he said had already taken more than 800 calls.

The Press Association: Mumbai gunmen 'British-born'