Mumbai Attacks

[Chanakya.10]

BJP is full of it. The Indian government couldn't possibly control things because of the Infrastructure within India is too weak to control such incidents from totally happening.

I hope there are not early elections in India. BJP would win the elections on the promise of starting a war in South Asia.

I hope BJP wins, the congress govt. is too inept to deal with this situation............

 

[Skywalker]

No no no what are you saying Sir.....
No pakistan involvement......
No ISI involvement......
LeT has denied their involvement....and we agree coz we know the guys are so honest..........
This must be Hindu/Jew/CIA/Neocon conspiracy to defame ISI and LeT......

I dont believe all this.... Indians are very good at making stories.........

FIrst time I agree 100% with an INdian, although you are just cracking a joke. Guess whatLeT is as i nnocent as RAW in Fata and Balouchistan.

 

[dr.umer]

It is a city with 1.8 cr people..... We didnt know that they were coming..........They fired at stations and ran away........

Obviously they will not make a phone call before coming. It was duty of intelligence agencies to figure it out but they failed.

So many of them escaped according to report. 20-25 entered. Suppose half of them escaped, remaining 12 divided into 3 groups of 4 terrorist each and took Taj, Nariman House and Oberoi-Trident mainly.

Are you suggesting that 4 terrorists at each place are causing such stiff resistance against sophisticated Indian Army ???

 

[jeypore]

BJP is full of it. The Indian government couldn't possibly control things because of the Infrastructure within India is too weak to control such incidents from totally happening.

I hope there are not early elections in India. BJP would win the elections on the promise of starting a war in South Asia.

BJP is not full of it, and i do want BJP to win the next election. Anyways congress has to act at this given point or all there jobs in jeopardy.

 

[Flintlock]

Evidence with Indian Agencies:

-Captured terrorist says 40 terrorists part of the operation.

-29 Pakistani and rest Bangladeshi

-20 were living in Mumbai a week before the attack

-Rest came by sea - bringing arms and ammunition

-The 20 living in Mumbai came to know the innards of the Taj and Oberoi and planned the attack.

-Abu Ismail from Faridkot Pakistan was interrogated.

-Group assembled in Lashkar base in Pakistan.

-The terrorists were well trained to handle sophisticated weapons

-Maritime security is lax

-Traveling time between Karachi and Mumbai is 4 hours

-They traveled upto a certain place by sea and then rowed to shore using rubber boats.

 

[jeypore]

Remeber Afgan mujahideens against Russians...what was that?

That was a proxy war. Also what was that about vietnam, where Chines and russian help. What was that?

 

[dr.umer]

Mumbai attacks: India accused of bungling anti-terror operation​

28 Nov 2008

Telegraph UK

India has faced international accusations of bungling its response to the terror attack.

One senior British official said he was "surprised" by the Indian failure to regain control of the commercial capital almost two days after the attacks began. And a senior source within the Indian Special Forces was also critical of the uncoordinated and bureaucratic response which led to the operation lasting so long.

Israeli officials said India's refusal of its offer to send commandos had put the lives of a rabbi and his family in danger.

They were held at Nariman House, the single story office block assaulted by helicopter-borne Indian commandos just after dawn.

But nine hours later there was still incoming and outgoing fire and grenade explosions in the Jewish Centre and five bodies have since been recovered, thought to include the rabbi and his wife.

While the security forces rescued six hostages in the nearby Taj Mahal Palace hotel the siege of that building has dragged on despite a series of officials claims that the Islamic fundamentalist terrorists had been wiped-out.

A second British official said that, although the India's Black Cat commandos have a fearsome reputation for efficient antiterrorist operations, their deployment was botched.

"They are supposed to set-up a command centre in complete control as their first priority," the official said. "Instead they arrived and went in guns blazing.

"It was blind. They didn't have maps of the hotels, yet there terrorists had done enough reconnaissance to use the service facilities to manoeuvre."

There was also criticism of a midnight announcement on the first day of the crisis by a cabinet minister that 200 commandos were deployed in the area within two hours.

The British official said: "The terrorist were forewarned by the government itself."

Even in the midst of the fighting, the security operation is riddled with holes. The Telegraph was able to gain access to the shattered lobby of the Oberoi hotel in the final throes of the fighting.

At least a dozen checkpoints made no security checks and the only official who did ask a question redirected the reporter to another part of the complex.

A masked marine commando said their efforts had been severely hampered by the numbers of people still inside the hotels when they moved in to flush out the militants.

He said his men had to feel their way through the hotel corridors and rooms in complete darkness and couldn't differentiate between dead bodies, the injured and people simply pressing themselves to the floor in terror.

The Special Forces are issued with specialised optical and acoustic sensors with the capability to identity and pinpoint objects and people in confined places.

However, sources within the Special Forces indicated that these were either not used or deployed ineffectively.

Operations also became confused and delayed because of the involvement of many different units including Marine Commandos, Navy's Special Forces, army quick reaction teams, the paramilitary Rapid Reaction Force and assorted provincial police commando teams.

A senior Special Forces source said: "There were far too many command centres with each one trying to best the other which led to confusion and delayed operations.

"There appears to have been a lack of detailed, precise planning and even the operations involving over 300 commandos took nearly 48 hours to achieve " In response to criticism that it had taken the commandos a precious 8 to 10 hours to deploy National security Guard chief J K Dutt said: "It will be wrong to say that we moved into the operational areas in Mumbai late."

He said they had to make sure that each room in both besieged hotels was cleared before they secured the next tier. He added: "This proved time consuming."

Security sources claimed that the 10-12 member strike team, including a Somali national, underwent firearms and explosive training in Muzaffarabad, capital of Pakistan-administered Kashmir.

All were then discouraged from interacting with one another beyond what was necessary.

They travelled to the garrison town of Rawalpindi and then onwards by train to the eastern port city of Karachi where they boarded a chartered merchant ship bound for Bombay.

En route they hijacked another vessel, killed its owner and made their way to within four nautical miles of Bombay.

They then transferred onto three dinghies and made their way to separate locations on the city's coast, including the ancient Sassoon docks used by fishermen.

 

[Vinod2070]

You forgot to highlight the most key parts.

Security sources claimed that the 10-12 member strike team, including a Somali national, underwent firearms and explosive training in Muzaffarabad, capital of Pakistan-administered Kashmir.

All were then discouraged from interacting with one another beyond what was necessary.

They travelled to the garrison town of Rawalpindi and then onwards by train to the eastern port city of Karachi where they boarded a chartered merchant ship bound for Bombay.

En route they hijacked another vessel, killed its owner and made their way to within four nautical miles of Bombay.

They then transferred onto three dinghies and made their way to separate locations on the city's coast, including the ancient Sassoon docks used by fishermen.

Mumbai attacks: India accused of bungling anti-terror operation​

28 Nov 2008

Telegraph UK

India has faced international accusations of bungling its response to the terror attack.

One senior British official said he was "surprised" by the Indian failure to regain control of the commercial capital almost two days after the attacks began. And a senior source within the Indian Special Forces was also critical of the uncoordinated and bureaucratic response which led to the operation lasting so long.

Israeli officials said India's refusal of its offer to send commandos had put the lives of a rabbi and his family in danger.

They were held at Nariman House, the single story office block assaulted by helicopter-borne Indian commandos just after dawn.

But nine hours later there was still incoming and outgoing fire and grenade explosions in the Jewish Centre and five bodies have since been recovered, thought to include the rabbi and his wife.

While the security forces rescued six hostages in the nearby Taj Mahal Palace hotel the siege of that building has dragged on despite a series of officials claims that the Islamic fundamentalist terrorists had been wiped-out.

A second British official said that, although the India's Black Cat commandos have a fearsome reputation for efficient antiterrorist operations, their deployment was botched.

"They are supposed to set-up a command centre in complete control as their first priority," the official said. "Instead they arrived and went in guns blazing.

"It was blind. They didn't have maps of the hotels, yet there terrorists had done enough reconnaissance to use the service facilities to manoeuvre."

There was also criticism of a midnight announcement on the first day of the crisis by a cabinet minister that 200 commandos were deployed in the area within two hours.

The British official said: "The terrorist were forewarned by the government itself."

Even in the midst of the fighting, the security operation is riddled with holes. The Telegraph was able to gain access to the shattered lobby of the Oberoi hotel in the final throes of the fighting.

At least a dozen checkpoints made no security checks and the only official who did ask a question redirected the reporter to another part of the complex.

A masked marine commando said their efforts had been severely hampered by the numbers of people still inside the hotels when they moved in to flush out the militants.

He said his men had to feel their way through the hotel corridors and rooms in complete darkness and couldn't differentiate between dead bodies, the injured and people simply pressing themselves to the floor in terror.

The Special Forces are issued with specialised optical and acoustic sensors with the capability to identity and pinpoint objects and people in confined places.

However, sources within the Special Forces indicated that these were either not used or deployed ineffectively.

Operations also became confused and delayed because of the involvement of many different units including Marine Commandos, Navy's Special Forces, army quick reaction teams, the paramilitary Rapid Reaction Force and assorted provincial police commando teams.

A senior Special Forces source said: "There were far too many command centres with each one trying to best the other which led to confusion and delayed operations.

"There appears to have been a lack of detailed, precise planning and even the operations involving over 300 commandos took nearly 48 hours to achieve " In response to criticism that it had taken the commandos a precious 8 to 10 hours to deploy National security Guard chief J K Dutt said: "It will be wrong to say that we moved into the operational areas in Mumbai late."

He said they had to make sure that each room in both besieged hotels was cleared before they secured the next tier. He added: "This proved time consuming."

Security sources claimed that the 10-12 member strike team, including a Somali national, underwent firearms and explosive training in Muzaffarabad, capital of Pakistan-administered Kashmir.

All were then discouraged from interacting with one another beyond what was necessary.

They travelled to the garrison town of Rawalpindi and then onwards by train to the eastern port city of Karachi where they boarded a chartered merchant ship bound for Bombay.

En route they hijacked another vessel, killed its owner and made their way to within four nautical miles of Bombay.

They then transferred onto three dinghies and made their way to separate locations on the city's coast, including the ancient Sassoon docks used by fishermen.

 

[Vinod2070]

From another forum:

Reported by NDTV:

Based on interrogations of the arrested terrorist, the following have come to light:

- 40 terrorists in all, 29 Pakistanis and rest Bangladeshi's were trained at Muridke, the Lashkar's (LeT) training grounds. The operation was sponsored by LeT
- Group formed up in Karachi for 4 days
- One group came in by boat, the foot-soldiers; split up into two - one targeted South Mumbai while second targeted North Mumbai
- Apparently the coordinating team came in by air and conducted detailed recce, etc. There is also talk of a control centre being set up in a rented house but this is still not clear

 

[nitesh]

Guys you should have seen the NSG guys coming out shown live on Times Now. people were cheering them petting on there back. Good to see such scenes.

 

[Flintlock]

Guys you should have seen the NSG guys coming out shown live on Times Now. people were cheering them petting on there back. Good to see such scenes.

Yes, that was really awesome.

As they say, the NSG and Army/Police are the only heroes in this saga.

The people love them! The scene in which an army truck was greeted with loud cheering and garlands reminds me of the day Bangladesh was liberated or even further back the day Allied troops in WWII liberated a French city whose name I cannot recollect at the moment

 

[Chanakya.10]

OUR MEN IN BLACK HEROES

HATS OFF TO YOU GUYS>>>>>>>

Love u GUYS................ BHARAT MATA KI......JAI....

 

[XYON]

Guys you should have seen the NSG guys coming out shown live on Times Now. people were cheering them petting on there back. Good to see such scenes.

It took your NSG 36 hours to eliminate 18 suspects out of 40 while they had killed 160 people! Still a few are holed up in the Taj and the rest have disappeared in Mumbai scaring the living crap out of Mumbites who are pigeonholed too scared to come out! Wow! I am already impressed at the level of training of your especial forces!

 

[nitesh]

Yes, that was really awesome.

As they say, the NSG and Army/Police are the only heroes in this saga.

The people love them! The scene in which an army truck was greeted with loud cheering and garlands reminds me of the day Bangladesh was liberated or even further back the day Allied troops in WWII liberated a French city whose name I cannot recollect at the moment

Then you must have seen arnab almost shouting when gopinath munde cam e up to the scene. These politicians should not come here. ha ha ha.

That guy almost choked when he was telling the supereme sacrifice of Major. Sandeep and havaldar gajender

 

[Chanakya.10]

were is provew sir without your media blame game even we coprate and send our respected ISI cheif for sheare inteligence but your fake media show this as pakisstan fail.and haaan we are siting on net from last 26 hour india will never pay our overtime we have so many more jobs then india you face these tarerrst guys and we have do some thing other also.

Sir INDIA is not forcing you to do overtime....

You are free to go home and sleep...........