Mumbai Attacks

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

There are two people speaking on the telephone---the controller is speaking in urdu---the reciever is speaking in punjabi---a basically village type punjabi---.

That is how AJMAL KASAB should be speaking --- maybe a little thicker accent than him---due to his background as illeterate labour---.

This Ajmal Kasab in interview is someone else with a different ethnicity and an accent of a non punjabi.

The scenes are horrifying and are truly shocking---and the deed worse than that..

 

[Valiant_Soul]

Just FYI, I am quite an example of growing up in a place but never, even since childhood, having the accent of that native place. Perhaps people need to broaden their concept about what constitutes concrete evidence.

It is one thing to say that a person's accent is likely to be of the native place and another to say that the accent of the person establishes that he does not belongs to a particular place.

 

[MastanKhan]

Just FYI, I am quite an example of growing up in a place but never, even since childhood, having the accent of that native place. Perhaps people need to broaden their concept about what constitutes concrete evidence.

It is one thing to say that a person's accent is likely to be of the native place and another to say that the accent of the person establishes that he does not belongs to a particular place.

Hi,

You will go round and round and at the end it would look foolish---listen and learn---it is not a matter of growing up and having the accent of the local place----it is the accent of his household---.

Are you saying that you don't have the accent of your household that you lived in and that of the neighbours kids---think again what you are saying.

Here is a poverty ridden family---a punjabi village family---little kids are out of the house house running aroud with other street urchins---all his life----so what he gets---the accents of an indian or an afghan---and then he seeks forgiveness from " Bhagwan mujhey maaf karey "---and calls his Ameer as " Mukhiya " and calls the color of eye " BROWN " in english----you have no clue about the illeteracy in punjab---.

And then in comparison---the recordings of the phone conversation---listen to the punjabi in those.

A DNA test would be the final test---it would be the LITMUS test.

 

[Khajur]

Hi,

There are two people speaking on the telephone---the controller is speaking in urdu---the reciever is speaking in punjabi---a basically village type punjabi---.

That is how AJMAL KASAB should be speaking --- maybe a little thicker accent than him---due to his background as illeterate labour---.

This Ajmal Kasab in interview is someone else with a different ethnicity and an accent of a non punjabi.

The scenes are horrifying and are truly shocking---and the deed worse than that..

Ajmal kasab was speaking in urdu during his interrogation with that marathi cop, with a clear punjabi accent as he would in any case ,not exactly like a mahajir or indian muslim whose mother tongue is urdu.

Ajmal kasab was forced to speak in urdu instead of punjabi with that cop becasue he wouldnt understand punjabi at all and he even struggled with urdu/hindi while questioning kasab.

Pakistani govt has already officially accepted that Ajmal kasab is a pakistani citizen.

 

[rajeev]

I dont understand why Indian government is silent with so much overwhelming evidence of this? Is the government not responsible for protection of the people? If terrorists are eminating from a country for 20 years and that government either are not willing to or cant clean up the house, shouldn't the Indian govt bomb the terrorist camps?

What sort of protection do we have? It has been going on years and years and there is no counteraid, no counter measure? What is the point of having military if there is no internal protection to avoid it and no external deterence to neutralize it?

 

[sonicboom]

India: Was Mumbai suspect a double agent for US?

The Indian press is abuzz with news that Indian Home Ministry officials are investigating whether a terror suspect in the Mumbai attacks, David Headley from Chicago, was working as a 'double agent' with the US.

By Huma Yusuf / December 16, 2009

The Indian press is abuzz with news that Indian Home Ministry officials have said they are investigating whether Pakistani-American terror suspect David Coleman Headley was working as a "double agent."

Indian officials reportedly raised questions about Mr. Headley’s links with US intelligence agencies – even as another terror suspect accused of involvement in the 2008 Mumbai attacks was denied bail by a US federal court. These latest and widely-publicized accusations against Headley are expected to put pressure on India’s ruling Congress Party, which has emphasized closer ties with the US as part of its foreign policy.

The US has not allowed Indian authorities to interrogate Headley over the Mumbai attacks, much to India's consternation.

According to he Hindustan Times, Indian Home Ministry officials raised questions about Headley’s involvement with the American intelligence agency.

India is investigating whether a Chicago man accused of helping plan the deadly 2008 Mumbai siege was a double agent working for the United States and a Pakistan-based militant group, an official said on Wednesday.

"India is looking into whether Headley worked as a double agent. That is one of the many angles we are probing," a home ministry official said ….

Indian media reported that New Delhi was suspicious because the United States had not shared vital information about Headley's movements prior to his arrest….

Headley could have been a member of the US Drug Enforcement Agency which allowed him to make frequent trips to Pakistan and gain access to the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) militant group.

The Times of India reports that Indian officials suspect that the CIA knew about Headley’s link with the banned Pakistani militant outfit, Lashkar-e-Taiba, one year before the Mumbai attacks, but did not alert Indian agencies.

The [Indian] investigators believe that the US agencies kept away the information from India and never allowed the Pakistani-origin Headley to get "exposed".

The 39-year old terror suspect, arrested by FBI for his role in Mumbai attacks, had visited India in March 2009 – four months after Mumbai attack carried out by LeT – but FBI still did not inform India that Headley is a LeT operative, apparently fearing he could be arrested in India.

According to the Times of India, Indian officials will also be investigating how Headley’s credit card bills were settled in American banks while the suspect was traveling through India.

The Hindu, an Indian daily, reports that “highly placed government sources said if [Headley] was given lesser punishment in a U.S. court, it would only strengthen India’s suspicion that he was a 'double agent'."

As Indian officials debate the role played by Headley in carrying out terror attacks in Mumbai in November 2008, a federal US court has ruled that Headley’s alleged accomplice, Tahawwur Rana, is to remain in detention, reports The New York Times. A judge denied Pakistani-Canadian Mr. Rana bail on the ground that he is a ‘flight risk’ with substantial resources and immigration expertise.

According to the Hindustan Times, Rana is to be charged with a direct link to a terror conspiracy, and, if convicted, could face life imprisonment. But Indian analysts fear that US agencies will want to tap Rana for more intelligence on terrorist movement rather than allowing him to go to jail in Mumbai, which many Indians want.

Some are speculating that having trapped Headley and turned him approver, the prosecution will use the 26/11 link in Monday's memorandum to do the same with Rana. He clearly dealt with retired Pakistani army officer Abdur Rehman Hasim Syed, alias "Pasha", a conduit to Ilyas Kashmiri, one of Pakistan's most-wanted terrorists. US may be more interested in forcing Rana, who ran an immigration service, to tell them if he used it to facilitate the movements of terrorists, and who and where they are.

Headley's alleged involvement in the Mumbai attacks has recently strained US-India relations, a cornerstone of the ruling Congress Party's foreign policy. Last week, Indian authorities announced that they would be changing visa regulations for American tourists, requiring them to take a 60-day break between each exit and re-entry to India, reported the Hindustan Times.

India: Was Mumbai suspect a double agent for US? / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com

 

[MastanKhan]

Ajmal kasab was speaking in urdu during his interrogation with that marathi cop, with a clear punjabi accent as he would in any case ,not exactly like a mahajir or indian muslim whose mother tongue is urdu.

Ajmal kasab was forced to speak in urdu instead of punjabi with that cop becasue he wouldnt understand punjabi at all and he even struggled with urdu/hindi while questioning kasab.

Pakistani govt has already officially accepted that Ajmal kasab is a pakistani citizen.

Sir,

Please---you need to stop assuming----this was not urdu from a punjabi---secondly---illeterate villagers in punjab don't speak urdu---you have to listen in----.

If this is the evidence---then I care less what india has---this evidence as it stands alone ( interrogation video) is fraudulent and deceitful.

 

[DavyJones]

Mastan Khan - man chill out. There is no point trying to prove Kasab is not Pakistani - he had been trained to confuse people if he was caught - how do you know if language training was not part of his training. Btw he is a brightchap - heard he has learnt some Marathi during court proceedings - now you'll claim he is from Maharastra

 

[DavyJones]

Mastan Khan - Yea lets start the war in the subcontinent - just leave your nukes aside and wait till we destroy your Army, Navy and Air Force - it's a no contest an Indo - Pak war so why even talk about it.

 

[DavyJones]

lol.. I think we want Russia to be the second umpire and US as the third umpire (in case of referrals) - but seriously what will war achieve ? And what did Mumbai achieve except creating more hatred and problems?

 

[Iggy]

lolz guys why are you discussing about war now??MK sir I have lots of respect for you..Sir you have to consider that Kazab was a pakistani citizen was confirmed by Pakistani govt and the media

Kasab is our citizen, admits Pakistan

and also Bushy told in another thread that he watched the vedio link provided there and he said he didnt hear Kasab saying Bhagwan..( i am nt able to confirm it because i logd in from the office and we cant use headphones )

 

[MastanKhan]

Mastan Khan - man chill out. There is no point trying to prove Kasab is not Pakistani - he had been trained to confuse people if he was caught - how do you know if language training was not part of his training. Btw he is a brightchap - heard he has learnt some Marathi during court proceedings - now you'll claim he is from Maharastra

Hi,

I am only discussing about the person in the interrogation video and nothing else---.

You have to learn a lot son---when a person is deeply wounded and is in a stressful situation---he comes out in his native language always---about the linguistic abilities---you must be joking---grow up son---if you have not heard desi punjabi jangli punjabi accent you will be clueless---and if you have some conscience, you will feel ashamed about believing in the lie.

Even extremely educated punjabis cannot hide their punjabi accents through years of college and university education---

" A bright chap " ---what are you on----this is a poor brick layer---excuse---not even a brick layer---but one who worked at the brick kiln, moulding bricks---illeterate amongst the illeterate.

Unless there is no DNA test with his parents---there is no truth.

 

[DavyJones]

hmm.. Mastan Khan - i guess it's pointless then - I say he is a Pakistani (so does 90% of the rest of the world and Pak government, FBI etc.!) - you disagree.. I agree that you have the right to disagree. Sorry but my knowledge of Punjabi accent is rather limited but I know that Kasab and 26/11 attackers are Pakistanis. Talking about DNA tests - Kasab's parents have to come forward for that - wait - where has Pakistan whisked them off to ?

 

[Skeptic]

Hi,



Unless there is no DNA test with his parents---there is no truth.

As mentioned before DNA samples were provided when asked for. For the rest of argument, all the people who count, have accepted that Kasab is a Pakistani, I don't think GoI will be interested in your personal opinion or conviction. All the people who matter have been provided with sufficient evidence for then to be convinced of his Nationality.

 

[MastanKhan]

Ajmal kasab was speaking in urdu during his interrogation with that marathi cop, with a clear punjabi accent as he would in any case ,not exactly like a mahajir or indian muslim whose mother tongue is urdu.

Ajmal kasab was forced to speak in urdu instead of punjabi with that cop becasue he wouldnt understand punjabi at all and he even struggled with urdu/hindi while questioning kasab.

Pakistani govt has already officially accepted that Ajmal kasab is a pakistani citizen.

Hi,

Standard rule of all interrogations is that the interrogator speaks the actual language of the one being interrogated and is familiar with all the nuances, intricacies and subtleties of the expressions---so that all the information is revealed and nothing stays hidden.

Also the reason behind it is---that if there is any discrepency during the trial---in what 'Kasab' was saying and what was understood would put an egg on the face of the prosecution.

Why do you think that the u s is paying $2,20000 dollars a year to field interrogators in iraq and afg---so they can translator can delve deeper into what the interviewee is saying.

Again, I am not talking about the atrocities committed by the killers---I am only commenting on this particular interrogation

You---my indian colleagues need to get off your high horses for the moment---come to the ground and think like regular people---.