Muhammad Ali Jinnah - The Great Leader

[SQ8]

Liberals like you are a joke.
I have to contact Historians.

Anyways eating Ham sandwiches and drinking alcohol makes you a sinner, and not an apostate.

But here is the philosophical questions neither liberals nor extremists can answer(or if they do they are proclaiming being a messenger):

Is the sum of Quaid-e-azam’s life and its impact on the world more in Allah’s eyes or that if a very non ham eating 5 times praying Masjid Mullah who called Pakistan Kafiristan?

 

[El Sidd]

You need 4 witnesses to prove a Hudd crime. 2 witnesses are enough for proving all other Tazir crimes.

But Jinnah committed no crime. As for sins and punishment (or forgiveness) on the day of judgement, no witnesses are required. One's own body parts will bear witness against one's deeds as per the Holy Qur'an

How many do you need to prove he drank or ate pork?

We are not discussing sin or crime. We are discussing lack of documented evidence of Jinnahs later life.

 

[MultaniGuy]

How many do you need to prove he drank or ate pork?

We are not discussing sin or crime. We are discussing lack of documented evidence of Jinnahs later life.

Personally I see the Quaid-e-Azam as irrelevant now on how or what Pakistan is all about.
As for the Liberals they constantly refer back to Jinnah, which is utterly stupid and what not.
The man is dead, and Pakistan is a 97% Muslim majority country.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Liberals like you are a joke.
I have to contact Historians.

Anyways eating Ham sandwiches and drinking alcohol makes you a sinner, and not an apostate.

The joke is on Madrassah bred morons like you instead

You were the one who mentioned Stanley Wolpert and Akbar S Syed believing that what they wrote about Jinnah supported your claims

It was pointed out to you (with proof/scanned pages of course) that they actually wrote exactly the opposite, and then you resorted to personal insults!! .. No surprise there though

How many do you need to prove he drank or ate pork?

We are not discussing sin or crime. We are discussing lack of documented evidence of Jinnahs later life.

We do not need to prove or disprove that. What's your point?

 

[MultaniGuy]

The joke is on Madrassah bred morons like you instead

You were the one who mentioned Stanley Wolpert and Akbar S Syed believing that what they wrote about Jinnah supported your claims

It was pointed out to you (with proof/scanned pages of course) that they actually wrote exactly the opposite, and then you resorted to personal insults!! .. No surprise there though


We do not need to prove or disprove that. What's your point?

Your proof are a joke. I have to see the actual books myself.
Liberal turds like yourself believe every tom, dick, and harry out there.

If Jinnah ate pork and drank alcohol, that is for Allah to judge him.

As for libturds like yourself how can I believe your proof just because you post on the internet? LOL

The joke is on Madrassah bred morons like you instead

You were the one who mentioned Stanley Wolpert and Akbar S Syed believing that what they wrote about Jinnah supported your claims

It was pointed out to you (with proof/scanned pages of course) that they actually wrote exactly the opposite, and then you resorted to personal insults!! .. No surprise there though


We do not need to prove or disprove that. What's your point?

Your proof are a joke. I have to see the actual books myself.
Liberal turds like yourself believe every tom, dick, and harry out there.

If Jinnah ate pork and drank alcohol, that is for Allah to judge him.

As for libturds like yourself how can I believe your proof just because you post on the internet? LOL

The joke is on Madrassah bred morons like you instead

You were the one who mentioned Stanley Wolpert and Akbar S Syed believing that what they wrote about Jinnah supported your claims

It was pointed out to you (with proof/scanned pages of course) that they actually wrote exactly the opposite, and then you resorted to personal insults!! .. No surprise there though


We do not need to prove or disprove that. What's your point?

Your proof are a joke. I have to see the actual books myself.
Liberal turds like yourself believe every tom, dick, and harry out there.

If Jinnah ate pork and drank alcohol, that is for Allah to judge him.

As for libturds like yourself how can I believe your proof just because you post on the internet? LOL

 

[Foinikas]

Nothing but respect for this man. A true father-like figure for an entire nation.
I am not Pakistani nor Muslim,but I like this man. He really was like those leaders who come once a century.

 

[Menace2Society]

Personally I see the Quaid-e-Azam as irrelevant now on how or what Pakistan is all about.
As for the Liberals they constantly refer back to Jinnah, which is utterly stupid and what not.
The man is dead, and Pakistan is a 97% Muslim majority country.

Jinnah is a role model to Pakistanis on how to become the best version of themselves. When Pakistan goes back to its true ideology not just in small pockets but the entire country is when you will see unthinkable rapid progress. That time is coming, you will see.

No provincialism
No prejudice towards faith and ethnicity
Women have rights and respect
Politics and religion DO NOT MIX
Meritocracy
Decency
Civilized

 

[M. Sarmad]

Your proof are a joke. I have to see the actual books myself.
Liberal turds like yourself believe every tom, dick, and harry out there.

If Jinnah ate pork and drank alcohol, that is for Allah to judge him.

See the books, and come back here to tell us if those scanned pages are fake. We can wait. But if you can't (which of course you can't) then our discussion is concluded.

And I am no liberal. I am a practicing Muslim AH. Just because someone is not a brain-dead Mullah follower like you doesn't mean he's a 'liberal'. Nothing wrong in being liberal though

 

[MultaniGuy]

See the books, and come back here to tell us if those scanned pages are fake. We can wait. But if you can't (which of course you can't) then our discussion is concluded.

And I am no liberal. I am a practicing Muslim AH. Just because someone is not a brain-dead Mullah follower like you doesn't mean he's a 'liberal'. Nothing wrong in being liberal though

Just because a brain dead like yourself quoted some books which may be biased against Jinnah doesn't make you right.
You are right the discussion is concluded you being daft.

Jinnah is a role model to Pakistanis on how to become the best version of themselves. When Pakistan goes back to its true ideology not just in small pockets but the entire country is when you will see unthinkable rapid progress. That time is coming, you will see.

No provincialism
No prejudice towards faith and ethnicity
Women have rights and respect
Politics and religion DO NOT MIX
Meritocracy
Decency
Civilized

How is the Quaid-e-Azam a role model? He was a lawyer and a model political leader.

There were other people in the All India Muslim League. Why so much importance to one man?

 

[M. Sarmad]

Just because a brain dead like yourself quoted some books which may be biased against Jinnah doesn't make you right.
You are right the discussion is concluded you being daft.

Yes, we can agree on that. A brain dead daft quoted some books and lied about reading them and is now left fuming as what those books actually say has been posted on this thread :

I have read Quaid-e-Azam's biographies. None of them said he ate pork or drank alcohol.

Show me where in his Biographies written by Akbar S. Ahmed, Stanley Wolpert, which says he did these things.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Yes, we can agree on that. A brain dead daft quoted some books and lied about reading them and is now left fuming as what those books actually say has been posted on this thread :

I did not lie you idiot. I read secondary sources about the books. Now shoo, for a libturd like you are.

 

[M. Sarmad]

I did not lie you idiot. I read secondary sources about the books.

Yes, you did lie you pathetic liar, and now you are lying through your teeth again
Your posts are there for everyone to see, at least delete them if you want to lie so blatantly

 

[MultaniGuy]

Yes, you did lie you pathetic liar, and now you are lying through your teeth again
Your posts are there for everyone to see, at least delete them if you want to lie so blatantly

Show me I am lying, Your claim of lying is a lie itself .

But what to expect from libturds such as your self.

 

[M. Sarmad]

The whipping was for disturbing public order not for alcohol consumption.

The Prohibition (Enforcement Of Hadd) Order, 1979.
President's Order No. 4 of 1979
February 9th, 1979

8.

Drinking liable to hadd. Whoever being an adult Muslim takes intoxicating liquor by mouth is guilty of drinking liable to hadd and shall be punished with whipping numbering eighty stripes.

You seem to be making gods decision for him.

Probably means ممکنہ طور پر , جس کا امکان ہو
No 'making God's decisions' here, that's solely his prerogative, just pointing out a possibility/likelihood

 

[El Sidd]

The Prohibition (Enforcement Of Hadd) Order, 1979.
President's Order No. 4 of 1979
February 9th, 1979


8.Drinking liable to hadd.
Whoever being an adult Muslim takes intoxicating liquor by mouth is guilty of drinking liable to hadd and shall be punished with whipping numbering eighty stripes.

How is monetary compensation of consumption of liquor, Islamic? The order would be classified as excessive not unconstitutional.

Probably means ممکنہ طور پر , جس کا امکان ہو
No 'making God's decisions' here, that's solely his prerogative, just pointing out a possibility/likelihood

Fortune telling is not desirable for faithfuls.

We do not need to prove or disprove that. What's your point?

Then stop posting unverified accounts of Jinnahs dietary habits.