Mozammel for confiscating Jamaat’s assets and asked Jammatis to go to Pakistan

[VikingRaider]

Original form was just Hindustani. Add a little persian vocab, you get Urdu. Add more sanskrit vocab, you get Hindi. But you have lot of persian and sanskrit vocab in both to begin with....even in very basic common words. You have to go very formal to find enough difference, but even then its simply a point of vocab, and most people who know one would know other words to use to make it more understandable to others (i.e the lingua franca is not the highest formality version).

Nothing was really standardised in delineated way as pure/original Hindi and pure/original Urdu....so their mutual intelligibility is very high (in spoken form)...just like other dialects of Hindustani. Grammar is near identical...and differences like yah vs ye...vah vs voh etc.. are very dialect kind of difference (I can tell you differences like this in Tamil too).

It is the reverse of say Mandarin/Cantonese...which share the same script (down to the word/text...i.e the written forms are exact same for the same thing you are writing) but are spoken completely differently....in so far they are different languages (because mutual spoken intelligibility is very low).



Brahmi (specifically the earliest forms) is older script than Devanagari....so it is likeliest candidate for earliest written sanskrit (highest formal register) and all the prakrits of the Indic languages of the time. Sanskrit/prakrit have no native original script in that they were only spoken/heard languages originally.

Kharoshti was another script of the time...shares some of the same origins (whatever they are) but different enough to be side-side competition with Brahmi. I guess whichever one influences a particular region/kingdom first became more prevalent in that area. Remember it was really 0.1% of the people (scholars etc.) who commited to learning and writing at that point in time...(and hence the subject material was the highest stuff deemed to be worthy enough to be passed on...thus this limits somewhat the extent of clues we have to make the precise chronological links).

Nagari and later devanagari later subsumed the use of Brahmi for written sanskrit (when we talk of written Vedas etc). But if you look at say Edicts of Ashoka pillar etc, its in Brahmi script...nagari simply had not been invented yet. In fact it was Gupta dynasty (and their brahmi script i.e gupta script) that is the bridge between Brahmi and Nagari script. Much like Siddham is for Brahmi and Bengali script etc..



Brahmi + kharoshti origins are currently being studied and is ongoing debate. There is probably a mix of what came via trade routes from the Middle East (i.e proto phoenician/aramaic etc) script wise and some local developed stuff. There are theories that speculate fully one or the other too...it may never be resolved. Contrast with China where there was much the same situation (multiple scripts/glpyhs competing early...similar to brahmi vs kharoshti and their near descendants etc.... that came from the same original sources but slight regional differences too) but was standardised into only one accepted one by the Emperor Qin (Qin is where word China comes from).

I deleted question lol , I was thinking of asking it again in whatever thread, but you already answered.
Okay thanks now let me read carefully .

 

[Joe Shearer]

Okay @Nilgiri understood, but I think we can call it as the original form of hindi and urdu? As one is basically sanksrit influenced and the other is Persian?

However an off topic question, was devnagari original script of sanksrit or it was brahmi and khoroshti?( that we read in our text book) .

Brahmi script look strange and khoroshti looks like middle eastern ! What's the case ? What is actually the original script of sanksrit language? I would like to know it from you and @Joe Shearer Dada.

প্রথম কথা - your original proposition was sound, and what Nilgiri commented was not in any way a contradiction of that point.

দ্বিতীয়ত - about Brahmi and Kharosthi: Kharosthi does have possible Middle Eastern derivation. as the consensus about its origin is that it originated from an Aramaic script (Aramaic is what Jesus may have spoken). Brahmi, on the other hand, has stood the test of time, and most modern-day western, northern and eastern scripts are based on Brahmi or a successor script. Some of these scripts are Gupta, Sharada and Siddham. Brahmi was first used to write in Prakrit, a language that is directly descended from Indo-Aryan, the language of the Vedas, while Sanskrit was an attempt at cleaning up the grammar of the by-then verging on the obsolete Vedic.

Long story short: Brahmi and its derivatives, such as Devanagari, were used to write Prakrit, and Sanskrit, and their derived languages.

 

[Tps43]

Bangbros?

Sir jee u have got deep research in this section

 

[newb3e]

Please don't say 'banya' when you mean Indian; it will permanently alienate you from Indians, and permanently alienate Indians from you.

Why don't you concentrate on Bangbros? No, not on your Bangladeshi brothers.

yeh we want association with Indians!

 

[Joe Shearer]

Sir jee u have got deep research in this section

I had classes of 90 students at a time, 60 (typically) male, hormonally hyperactive, and with laptops infected wih every virus known to man (and a few more).

A technical correction: long, not deep.

yeh we want association with banyas! the supa homaanns!

Clever, witty, urbane, but still a term of national abuse.

 

[Bilal9]

প্রথম কথা - your original proposition was sound, and what Nilgiri commented was not in any way a contradiction of that point.

দ্বিতীয়ত - about Brahmi and Kharosthi: Kharosthi does have possible Middle Eastern derivation. as the consensus about its origin is that it originated from an Aramaic script (Aramaic is what Jesus may have spoken). Brahmi, on the other hand, has stood the test of time, and most modern-day western, northern and eastern scripts are based on Brahmi or a successor script. Some of these scripts are Gupta, Sharada and Siddham. Brahmi was first used to write in Prakrit, a language that is directly descended from Indo-Aryan, the language of the Vedas, while Sanskrit was an attempt at cleaning up the grammar of the by-then verging on the obsolete Vedic.

Long story short: Brahmi and its derivatives, such as Devanagari, were used to write Prakrit, and Sanskrit, and their derived languages.

Dada learned a lot. What is your opinion of Thai script vis-a-vis Bangla. It is my opinion that back in the early days there was a lot of interchange between the Buddhist universities in Bengal and Thai academics.

When they came up with their new script they used an early derivative of Bengali script. Or possibly Eastern nagari or Siddham script, not sure which.

Right now, their alphabet script-list looks different than Bengali but sounds exactly the same, i.e. Aw - Aa - Ka - Kha. Look at the consonants especially. It is near identical to Bengali.

 

[newb3e]

I had classes of 90 students at a time, 60 (typically) male, hormonally hyperactive, and with laptops infected wih every virus known to man (and a few more).

A technical correction: long, not deep.



Clever, witty, urbane, but still a term of national abuse.

okay on serious note why is the term banya considered a national abuse? banyas are most successful shrewd businessman in india yes stingy but they are clever and make crazy money!

 

[Mage]

Why don't you concentrate on Bangbros? No, not on your Bangladeshi brothers.

Unexpected from you, Master moshai

 

[Joe Shearer]

Dada learned a lot. What is your opinion of Thai script vis-a-vis Bangla. It is my opinion that back in the early days there was a lot of interchange between the Buddhist universities in Bengal and Thai academics.

When they came up with their new script they used an early derivative of Bengali script. Or possibly Eastern nagari or Siddham script, not sure which.

Right now, their alphabet script-list looks different than Bengali but sounds exactly the same, i.e. Aw - Aa - Ka - Kha. Look at the consonants especially. It is near identical to Bengali.

You are 100% right. Actually, the ubiquitous @Nilgiri answered this somewhere earlier; most south-east Asian cultures reproduced Brahmi. Whether it was through Bengal or the Tamils, is not clear.

A word of explanation.

There was a strong mercantile history in Bengal; none of it documented in terms of classic western style documentation, but vibrant enough in the legends of Chand Sodagor and Beulah. Nilgiri will not have known of this. On the other side, the Tamils adopted Brahmi in their own style, and that adoption may have been the basis of the south-east Asian adoption of Brahmi, since Tamil influence was very strong there; the Cholas claimed suzerainty over several parts of south-east Asia. R. C. Majumdar (as Bangladeshis will know, he was a Baidya of Bangladeshi stock) has written extensively on the south Asian influence in south-east Asia.

On a parallel note, the Ahoms of Assam, who ruled for easily the longest period in Indian history, for around 600 years, were noted for being of Tai (Thai) descent; several villages in Assam have names that are easily comprehensible by a contemporary Thai speaker, and some of the languages and dialects spoken are actually named Shyam (=Siam). There are six Ahom dialects that more or less resemble Thai.

okay on serious note why is the term banya considered a national abuse? banyas are most successful shrewd businessman in india yes stingy but they are clever and make crazy money!

Because India is much, much more than one bania community. Just watch how Pakistanis react when they are mistakenly called Rajput, Gujjar or Jat, and happen to be one of the others.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

I thought only the BD Hindus and some sarkari mussalmans hated Jamaat. How deep is this hatred?

According to BD’s ruling ideology, the best BD = the most anti-Pak/Islam/Muslims = the most pro-Hindu/India

We are neither Muslims nor Hindus - BD ruling party ex general secretary, Ashraful Islam

What has Islam given to the humanity that it has something to offer to BD? - BD ex finance minister Abdul Muhit

This hatred for Islam and Muslims will get exponentially stronger in BD....

This is the ultimate La’net upon them from the Ay-Yildiz (Hilal ve Sitara).....

BD wants to destroy the Dunya for Pak, but Pak destroys the Ahiret for BD....

Why not directly become Hindus and adopt jahalat straightaway. What they are doing now is hypocrisy.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Unexpected from you, Master moshai

And should you be knowing so much more than you ought to?
এদের তিরস্কার করতে লাগে।
কিন্তু তুমি-বা এতগুলো জিনিস শিখলে কোথ-থেকে, পাকা ছেলে? চোখ বড্ডো বেশি ঘোড়া-ঘড়ি করে বুঝি?

 

[Tps43]

I had classes of 90 students at a time, 60 (typically) male, hormonally hyperactive, and with laptops infected wih every virus known to man (and a few more).

A technical correction: long, not deep.



Clever, witty, urbane, but still a term of national abuse.

I got surprised how u got to know about this

 

[Joe Shearer]

I got surprised how u got to know about this

Believe me, it's like herding cats! Why else would I have lost my hair coming to this place? and the IT in charge has the gall to tell me that any student in the hostel can download 'content-rich' videos in ten minutes flat!

I could have killed him.

 

[Mage]

And should you be knowing so much more than you ought to?
এদের তিরস্কার করতে লাগে।
কিন্তু তুমি-বা এতগুলো জিনিস শিখলে কোথ-থেকে, পাকা ছেলে? চোখ বড্ডো বেশি ঘোড়া-ঘড়ি করে বুঝি?

Age kortam. Ekhol onek kom.

Both my parents were working. So, I used to be home alone with internet in my high school/College days. It was inevitable.

 

[jamahir]

In this same sense Haseena Should go to India

Take it from me. The Jamaatis of BD will be more comfortable among the current Muslims of India than among the Muslims of Pakistan. Two reasons being Deoband and the headquarters of Tableeghi Jamaat are in India.