Mozammel for confiscating Jamaat’s assets and asked Jammatis to go to Pakistan

[newb3e]

it seems banya and bangbros politics is all about bashing Pakistan!! sad sad people!

 

[Saiful Islam]

Bangladeshi people should abandon this practice of speaking Hindi/Urdu with Indians or Pakistanis unless he is in India or Pakistan. It is true that speaking Hindi/Urdu comes easily for many Bangladeshi due to extensive exposure to Bollywood entertainments. But speaking in a corrupt and funny dialect of Hindi/Urdu in a third country(UK or Middle East) with Hindi/Urduwallas are not a very dignified position on part of Bangladeshi people. But many little educated and low esteemed Bangladeshis are unaware about this common sense. If you are in UK, speak with them in English, if you are in the Middle East, speak with them in Arabic or English.

Bengali disposition isn't people hating based on their skin color, nationality, etc this is my point, you got the wrong end of the stick. Maybe many of us hate the bureaucracy, but I don't want it to come across as if we hate a herd of people because of previous actions of a government. Hating someone because of where they come from reflects a dark side of character and shows shallowness.

You went onto talk about how we converse with the Hindi Belt and further in hindi/urdu in overseas countries, but that's my point and it's ironic that we fought blood for our language and now fast forward 50 years and nearly every Bengali folk has to speak Urdu. And that just goes to show Urdu is used as a common ground.

If you are in UK, speak with them in English, if you are in the Middle East, speak with them in Arabic or English.

When two, say a Bengali and a Pak both do not know how to speak English then it automatically flows to Urdu . There was a notion that Urdu laid a common ground for two non-similar ethnic groups & even after we fought tooth and nail for our language Urdu is still lingering in our mouths lol...

 

[Homo Sapiens]

You went onto talk about how we converse with the Hindi Belt and further in hindi/urdu in overseas countries, but that's my point and it's ironic that we fought blood for our language and now fast forward 50 years and nearly every Bengali folk has to speak Urdu. And that just goes to show Urdu is used as a common ground.

When two, say a Bengali and a Pak both do not know how to speak English then it automatically flows to Urdu . There was a notion that Urdu laid a common ground for two non-similar ethnic groups & even after we fought tooth and nail for our language Urdu is still lingering in our mouths lol...

Make no mistake. Bangladeshi people can not speak Urdu. What they converse with Pakistani is not Urdu but Bollywood type Hindi. As hindi and urdu are 95 percent identical, so it appear to be Urdu, but that is not. You would not find even 1 in a million Bengali who purposefully learned Urdu(I am not sure about Qoumi Madrasa about how much Urdu they learn, but even there Urdu, Farsi is becoming a thing of past). You would not find any two Bengali in Bangladesh conversing in Hindi/Urdu. It only comes when they meet any Indian or Pakistani, mostly outside Bangladesh.

 

[Riyad]

When is BD coming out of 1971? You guys seem to be stuck in it forever.

1947 partition of India was overshadowed in Bangladesh by 1971 War of Liberation.

The war is why Bangladesh exists as an independent country. Mukti Juddho is considered the greatest Bengali revolt against oppression by both Bangladesh and West Bengal.

Pakistanis will never understand why Bangladeshis are obsessed with 1971 war. 'Ekattor' (71) is not just a numeric digit. It is part of Bangladeshi identity hence as long as Bangladesh exists Bangladeshis will forever be obsessed with 1971 war against the state of Pakistan and Liberation of Bangladesh.

 

[Khan_21]

1947 partition of India was overshadowed in Bangladesh by 1971 War of Liberation.

The war is why Bangladesh exists as an independent country. Mukti Juddho is considered the greatest Bengali revolt against oppression by both Bangladesh and West Bengal.

Pakistanis will never understand why Bangladeshis are obsessed with 1971 war. 'Ekattor' (71) is not just a numeric digit. It is part of Bangladeshi identity hence as long as Bangladesh exists Bangladeshis will forever be obsessed with 1971 war against the state of Pakistan and Liberation of Bangladesh.

You dont see Pakistanis stuck in 1947.

 

[Saiful Islam]

Bangladeshis who are pro-Pakistan are called 'Razakars' a very derogatory term in Bangladesh. In Pakistan razakar means simply a volunteer but in Bangladesh its a very derogatory term meaning something so offensive that its similar to son of a ****. So Pakistan loving Bangladeshis do not openly show any affection for Pakistan in fear of the 'Razakar' label.[/QUOTE]

No one calls no one a Razakar these days, instead using it incorrectly will prompt a broomstick and some sandals in your face. Only those 'Mukti Monas' who look to western free thinkers and take the whole 'free thinking' overboard to show that they're uber progressive and liberal.

Most of these so called progressives in BD are intellectually dishonest & only partake in fabrication.

Have you seen the video of a reporter in the capital whom labelled a chap Razakar because he was wearing Panjabi Payjama? As I said such behavior is a miniscule in BD society, it's the mindset of dimwits. People laugh.

Bro, I am telling you the truth. Bangladesh is really fundamentally a Pakistan hating nation. No body can openly say anything pro-Pakistan in Bangladesh.

Bangladeshis who are pro-Pakistan are called 'Razakars' a very derogatory term in Bangladesh. In Pakistan razakar means simply a volunteer but in Bangladesh its a very derogatory term meaning something so offensive that its similar to son of a ****. So Pakistan loving Bangladeshis do not openly show any affection for Pakistan in fear of the 'Razakar' label.

No one calls no one a Razakar these days, instead using it incorrectly will prompt a broomstick and some sandals in your face. Only those 'Mukti Monas' who look to western free thinkers and take the whole 'free thinking' overboard to show that they're uber progressive and liberal.

Most of these so called progressives in BD are intellectually dishonest & only partake in fabrication.

Have you seen the video of a reporter in the capital whom labelled a chap Razakar because he was wearing Panjabi Payjama? As I said such behavior is a miniscule in BD society, it's the mindset of dimwits. People laugh.

 

[Neptune_]

Totally agree with the minister here.

I don't know why this criminal organisation hasn't been banned yet. The main leaders of this very organisation were against the creation of Bangladesh and they were involved in all sorts of henious crime one can possibly think of but still we have allowed these traitors to do politics in our country.

This criminal organisation aka Jamat I Islam should be banned, all the former Jamati leaders who were involved in war crimes should be prosecuted and punished accordingly and most importantly all the Pak sympathisers who still dream about an united Pak should be identified and kicked out of our beautiful land. We will never be able to achieve our true potential with these traitors among us.

Joy bangla, Joy Bongobondgu.

 

[Bengal71]

Bangladeshis who are pro-Pakistan are called 'Razakars' a very derogatory term in Bangladesh. In Pakistan razakar means simply a volunteer but in Bangladesh its a very derogatory term meaning something so offensive that its similar to son of a ****. So Pakistan loving Bangladeshis do not openly show any affection for Pakistan in fear of the 'Razakar' label.

No one calls no one a Razakar these days, instead using it incorrectly will prompt a broomstick and some sandals in your face. Only those 'Mukti Monas' who look to western free thinkers and take the whole 'free thinking' overboard to show that they're uber progressive and liberal.

Most of these so called progressives in BD are intellectually dishonest & only partake in fabrication.

Have you seen the video of a reporter in the capital whom labelled a chap Razakar because he was wearing Panjabi Payjama? As I said such behavior is a miniscule in BD society, it's the mindset of dimwits. People laugh.



No one calls no one a Razakar these days, instead using it incorrectly will prompt a broomstick and some sandals in your face. Only those 'Mukti Monas' who look to western free thinkers and take the whole 'free thinking' overboard to show that they're uber progressive and liberal.

Most of these so called progressives in BD are intellectually dishonest & only partake in fabrication.

Have you seen the video of a reporter in the capital whom labelled a chap Razakar because he was wearing Panjabi Payjama? As I said such behavior is a miniscule in BD society, it's the mindset of dimwits. People laugh.[/QUOTE]

No one calls others a son of a bitch on his face either, well generally. What's your point?

Razakar is still a derogatory term in BD which is why people get angry if they are called that.

 

[VikingRaider]

My point exactly BD is stuck in 1971 forever mentaly and physically. I have noticed this first hand because i had alot of bengali friends in my university. They keep on playing the victum card even though its 2019 now.

In AL regime most of them are actually either intellectual types or fools who try to be over smart. We are also Bangladeshi and I can assure you that other than some fools ( brain washed by intellectuals) , and so called feminists ( who believe that you guys perform lash on women by default ) spread such hates that has almost zero effect on common folks, and day by day it's decreasing .

Now peoples have few times to think about others. Only some Facebookers ( mostly sycophants of various parties ) spew hate, but others are too busy for themselves.
And also they do not really feel that they need to hate any one!

What they converse with Pakistani is not Urdu but Bollywood type Hindi.

But isn't bollywood type hindi actually not pure hindi, but heavily influenced by Urdu?
And besides urdu is a language of India too, so it's not unnatural for indians to make another spoken language named hindustani that is a blend of Urdu and Hindi.

As hindi and urdu are 95 percent identical,

If you carefully read hindi news, you will have a hard time understanding it. Pure hindi has strong influence of sanksrit and I do not think most of common hindi speakers understand it.

 

[Nilgiri]

Pure hindi has strong influence of sanksrit and I do not think most of common hindi speakers understand it.

"Pure" Hindi and "Pure" Urdu are misconstrued terms. There is no "pure" reference point for them (they are same language, different dialects/vocab choices you can say)...they all exist in a spectrum and politics have maybe inserted labels to certain vocab mixes of them....but thats nothing to do with their "purity".

Its like I can say Coimbatore Tamil is the "purest" Tamil (we are definitely having the most polite default register at least).....but people from Kaveri area, Madurai etc will definitely oppose me (and they have much reason to) and it will just start an argument with no real resolving of what was original ancient Tamil closest to etc...if that is even to be the reference.

In fact lot of people today in politics in TN get super angry or go into denial complex when you mention lot of the old Tamil that had sanskrit influence in it (its still engraved into the rocks, walls and pillars of old temples...they just pretend its not there or deny it counts as Tamil etc).

Language takes on political tune rather than be an example of purity imo. I know personally the arguments both ways when it comes to mainland France French vs Quebec French for example....neither can really claim to be "purer"....it is matter of perspective.

@Joe Shearer

 

[Cherokee]

Keep poking us uninvited and you're eventually going to hear from us and you won't like the taste of it.

Lol. Try and you will be punished again.

According to BD’s ruling ideology, the best BD = the most anti-Pak/Islam/Muslims = the most pro-Hindu/India

We are neither Muslims nor Hindus - BD ruling party ex general secretary, Ashraful Islam

What has Islam given to the humanity that it has something to offer to BD? - BD ex finance minister Abdul Muhit

This hatred for Islam and Muslims will get exponentially stronger in BD....

This is the ultimate La’net upon them from the Ay-Yildiz (Hilal ve Sitara).....

BD wants to destroy the Dunya for Pak, but Pak destroys the Ahiret for BD....

Aa gaya nakli waanabe pind turk.

 

[Joe Shearer]

it seems banya and bangbros politics is all about bashing Pakistan!! sad sad people!

Please don't say 'banya' when you mean Indian; it will permanently alienate you from Indians, and permanently alienate Indians from you.

Why don't you concentrate on Bangbros? No, not on your Bangladeshi brothers.

 

[Neptune_]

Please don't say 'banya' when you mean Indian; it will permanently alienate you from Indians, and permanently alienate Indians from you.

Why don't you concentrate on Bangbros? No, not on your Bangladeshi brothers.

 

[Al-zakir]

According to BD’s ruling ideology, the best BD = the most anti-Pak/Islam/Muslims = the most pro-Hindu/India

We are neither Muslims nor Hindus - BD ruling party ex general secretary, Ashraful Islam

What has Islam given to the humanity that it has something to offer to BD? - BD ex finance minister Abdul Muhit

This hatred for Islam and Muslims will get exponentially stronger in BD....

This is the ultimate La’net upon them from the Ay-Yildiz (Hilal ve Sitara).....

BD wants to destroy the Dunya for Pak, but Pak destroys the Ahiret for BD....

Died recently but was buried with full Islamic traditions. I don’t understand people like him. While alive they disassociate with Islam but become full Muslim after death.

What you call such people????

 

[Nilgiri]

Okay @Nilgiri understood, but I think we can call it as the original form of hindi and urdu? As one is basically sanksrit influenced and the other is Persian?

Original form was just Hindustani. Add a little persian vocab, you get Urdu. Add more sanskrit vocab, you get Hindi. But you have lot of persian and sanskrit vocab in both to begin with....even in very basic common words. You have to go very formal to find enough difference, but even then its simply a point of vocab, and most people who know one would know other words to use to make it more understandable to others (i.e the standard register is not the highest formality version on either side).

Nothing was really standardised in delineated way as pure/original Hindi and pure/original Urdu....so their mutual intelligibility is very high (in spoken form)...just like other dialects of Hindustani. Grammar is near identical...and differences like yah vs ye...vah vs voh etc.. are very dialect kind of difference (I can tell you differences like this in Tamil too).

It is the reverse of say Mandarin/Cantonese...which share the same script (down to the word/text...i.e the written forms are exact same for the same thing you are writing) but are spoken completely differently....in so far they are different languages (because mutual spoken intelligibility is very low).

However an off topic question, was devnagari original script of sanksrit or it was brahmi and khoroshti?( that we read in our text book) .

Brahmi (specifically the earliest forms) is older script than Devanagari....so it is likeliest candidate for earliest written sanskrit (highest formal register) and all the prakrits of the Indic languages of the time. Sanskrit/prakrit have no native original script in that they were only spoken/heard languages originally.

Kharoshti was another script of the time...shares some of the same origins (whatever they are) but different enough to be side-side competition with Brahmi. I guess whichever one influences a particular region/kingdom first became more prevalent in that area. Remember it was really 0.1% of the people (scholars etc.) who commited to learning and writing at that point in time...(and hence the subject material was the highest stuff deemed to be worthy enough to be passed on...thus this limits somewhat the extent of clues we have to make the precise chronological links).

Nagari and later devanagari later subsumed the use of Brahmi for written sanskrit (when we talk of written Vedas etc). But if you look at say Edicts of Ashoka pillar etc, its in Brahmi script...nagari simply had not been invented yet. In fact it was Gupta dynasty (and their brahmi script i.e gupta script) that is the bridge between Brahmi and Nagari script. Much like Siddham is for Brahmi and Bengali script etc..

Brahmi script look strange and khoroshti looks like middle eastern ! What's the case ? What is actually the original script of sanksrit language? I would like to know it from you and @Joe Shearer Dada.

Brahmi + kharoshti origins are currently being studied and is ongoing debate. There is probably a mix of what came via trade routes from the Middle East (i.e proto phoenician/aramaic etc) script wise and some local developed stuff. There are theories that speculate fully one or the other too...it may never be resolved. Contrast with China where there was much the same situation (multiple scripts/glpyhs competing early...similar to brahmi vs kharoshti and their near descendants etc.... that came from the same original sources but slight regional differences too) but was standardised into only one accepted one by the Emperor Qin (Qin is where word China comes from).