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Most favoured nation status to India soon: Pakistan minister

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The other side of the coin has its own pitfalls. Having Indian goods flood the Pakistani market would be a game changer for all. For the consumer, lower prices and greater variety will change what they buy and how they live for the better. The cut throat nature of such competition will spur improvement in the goods and services available. In the end, the winner is the Pakistani consumer and the Indian exporter. The loser in all of this is the domestic Pakistani industry. The four decades the Indian companies were allowed to develop a foundation in the domestic market before having to deal with outside competition created formidable organizations that were able to go toe to toe with any of the famed foreign corporations that entered India after the deregulation of the economy. Those companies have immense production capacities and economies of scale that are unmatched in Pakistan. Once they enter the local arena, Pakistani competitors will get crushed to the wayside.

From a purely economic standpoint, cooperation in trade is a huge win-win for both nations. Indian competition may crush many local companies, but it will compel others to raise their game and allow them to compete on a global level as a result. The consumer will be flush with choices and gain value at a lower price. The losses of local businesses would create short term problems. But problems that are rectified in the long term, as these foreign corporations invariably start investing in local production plants and distribution facilities. It is the nature of globalization: for a nation to lose something and gain it back elsewhere. Why the loss of local companies takes on such doom and gloom is that the owners of these companies are often the power players in local politics. They will always be hard pressed to support any cause that brings them harm, even if the nation wins convincingly as a whole. The government, which is in the end, answerable to such people will always do what it can to prop up inefficient and unsustainable companies in order to safe guard their vote bank and financial backing. Then there is the simple psychology of patriotism. A win for Pakistani companies at the expense of the individual is often erroneously seen as preferable..............

Good points looking at both sides Sir, but our entrenched monopolies with their cozy arrangements with the establishment will never allow proverbial geese laying the golden eggs for them to be killed anytime soon, no matter how much the consumer or the economy may benefit. A few token concessions here and there perhaps, but no major policy shifts will be likely.
 
From a purely economic standpoint, cooperation in trade is a huge win-win for both nations. Indian competition may crush many local companies, but it will compel others to raise their game and allow them to compete on a global level as a result. The consumer will be flush with choices and gain value at a lower price.
Spot on! There was a time in the early 90s before the economic reforms when Indian entrepreneurs and businessmen were apprehensive at the very thought of competition from a capitalist market if the economy opened up to foreign competition. However, when foreign investment exploded onto the Indian scene, they had no other alternative but to pull up their socks and devise methodologies to stay afloat in the competitive market and even beat them at their game.

The results are there for all to see. Some of the biggest corporations are Indian. Many Indian companies have bought up MNCs even in the USA in multi billion dollar deals! So in a nutshell, this was a blessing in disguise. Let there be competition because that is the only way forward or else one would keep stagnating.

In today's world you need to keep running even to stand still!

Cheers!
 
This debate touches upon some important underlying issues regarding Pak-Indo trade. Having access to the Indian market theoretically changes the game for Pakistani companies. Suddenly, having a 10 times larger potential customer base borne out of thin air, with very similar values and customs is the dream of salesmen and marketing executives everywhere. But the problem is in the inherent ill will present in the general population on both sides against one another. An animosity cultivated by successive governments looking for any excuse to divert the masses from the lack of progress on internal problems. As a result, Pakistani goods entering India will always struggle to make do just on the basis of their Pakistani lineage. Until the Indian consumer isn't allowed to see foreign products as value producing goods and services, as opposed to the politics behind where those products are from, Pakistani companies will only have an artificial increase in market size. That is to say nothing of the damage to any trade were a conflict to breakout. Pakistani products would be boycotted on mass and all of these exporters would suddenly be too big to survive a Pakistan-only market and collapse on mass.

The other side of the coin has its own pitfalls. Having Indian goods flood the Pakistani market would be a game changer for all. For the consumer, lower prices and greater variety will change what they buy and how they live for the better. The cut throat nature of such competition will spur improvement in the goods and services available. In the end, the winner is the Pakistani consumer and the Indian exporter. The loser in all of this is the domestic Pakistani industry. The four decades the Indian companies were allowed to develop a foundation in the domestic market before having to deal with outside competition created formidable organizations that were able to go toe to toe with any of the famed foreign corporations that entered India after the deregulation of the economy. Those companies have immense production capacities and economies of scale that are unmatched in Pakistan. Once they enter the local arena, Pakistani competitors will get crushed to the wayside.

From a purely economic standpoint, cooperation in trade is a huge win-win for both nations. Indian competition may crush many local companies, but it will compel others to raise their game and allow them to compete on a global level as a result. The consumer will be flush with choices and gain value at a lower price. The losses of local businesses would create short term problems. But problems that are rectified in the long term, as these foreign corporations invariably start investing in local production plants and distribution facilities. It is the nature of globalization: for a nation to lose something and gain it back elsewhere. Why the loss of local companies takes on such doom and gloom is that the owners of these companies are often the power players in local politics. They will always be hard pressed to support any cause that brings them harm, even if the nation wins convincingly as a whole. The government, which is in the end, answerable to such people will always do what it can to prop up inefficient and unsustainable companies in order to safe guard their vote bank and financial backing. Then there is the simple psychology of patriotism. A win for Pakistani companies at the expense of the individual is often erroneously seen as preferable.

If enough people look at the big picture, the future of Pak-Indo trade is bright. But the Pakistan and Indian governments must do more to eliminate the instability of the relations between the two nations. Whether the fault is Pakistani or Indian, change will require an effort from both. In such a case it maybe more prudent to look ahead to prosperity of tomorrow, as opposed to the misjustice of the past.

Trade can take off, in items which are not brand conscious. For example, trade between companies for raw materials and value added inputs. Trade in perishable commodities. Trade opportunities for Pakistani traders to get stuff from Iran and Afghanistan and sell in India. As far as Indian goods flooding Pakistani markets are concerned, it will take time. Why? Production capacities and internal demand. India's biggest exports are services, not goods. So you could have let;s say automotive companies starting to introduce products simultaneously in both countries. Pharma is another major area of trade. These are how things may change.

Getting to sell a Made in Pakistan in India or a made in India in Pakistan in the FMCG segment is still some way off.
 
Absolutely disgusting.

India should never be given MFN until they end their occupation of Kashmir.

We do not need Indian trade instead we should be focusing on increasing indigenous energy production and trade with Muslim countries as well as Eastern Asian nations (ex. China and South Korea).

Nawaz is a fat sellout like Zardari and if this goes through then it's up to the people and military to put an end to it.
 
This is beyond the mandate of caretakers... why don't minster ask hindus to adopt him.
 
Been hearing about this for many years now..........

:coffee:

It was supposed to happen a few years ago, but incident after incident has put it off.

It'll happen, especially under NS, who's been pushing for a pro-Indian relations policy.

Keep your MFN to yourself.

No need to be so hostile, this will help both nations in the long run, I fail to see how it's a bad thing.
 
Spot on! There was a time in the early 90s before the economic reforms when Indian entrepreneurs and businessmen were apprehensive at the very thought of competition from a capitalist market if the economy opened up to foreign competition

No not spot on. This is largely why India's major exports to countries like China are raw goods while China mostly exports value added products.

Virtually every country that has developed strong industries did so through a series of tariffs and duties on imported goods as well as subsidies for local industry and an overall control of capital markets. Once local industry was built up then they opened their markets to increased competition.

Furthermore, even though India gave Pakistan MFN status there are a number non-tariff trade barriers that have created an unequal playing field.

MFN status shouldn't even be discussed until the occupation of Kashmir by India has ended.
 
No not spot on. This is largely why India's major exports to countries like China are raw goods while China mostly exports value added products.


With respect to China there is a reason for this. Industries where we had a competitive advantage were protected as per Chinese rules. In this visit for e.g the agreement for pharma products has been taken forward. chinese banks run on software services provided by TCS. But, there is still a long way to go.


Virtually every country that has developed strong industries did so through a series of tariffs and duties on imported goods as well as subsidies for local industry and an overall control of capital markets. Once local industry was built up then they opened their markets to increased competition.

Furthermore, even though India gave Pakistan MFN status there are a number non-tariff trade barriers that have created an unequal playing field.

These are being slowly removed with talks with the Pakistani Commerce ministry. Understand first what MFN means. It means, if we grant certain oks to Pakistan, then the same will apply to all countries to whom India has provided MFN.


MFN status shouldn't even be discussed until the occupation of Kashmir by India has ended.
 
I am hearing this since 2009 i think?

India gave us this status back in 1990s?

Yeah did it really help Pakistan after that status? No right?

Will it help India? I guess not at all

True, India granted Pakistan MFN status in the 1990's but is useless because of Indian Non Tariff Barriers(NTB). NTB's are discriminatory against those products in which Pakistan has a competitive advantage, thus the granting of MFN has been useless for Pakistan. Dawn published an excellent piece in the business section almost 4 months ago where it stated that Pakistan was reducing tariff's on more products compared to India.
 
Why not ask pakistan to shut the fcuk up ?

True, India granted Pakistan MFN status in the 1990's but is useless because of Indian Non Tariff Barriers(NTB). NTB's are discriminatory against those products in which Pakistan has a competitive advantage, thus the granting of MFN has been useless for Pakistan. Dawn published an excellent piece in the business section almost 4 months ago where it stated that Pakistan was reducing tariff's on more products compared to India.

thanks for the insight ! Could you post a link to it ! I would very much appreciate it !
 
Whenever this type of gesture starts …we are getting some solid backstabbing… Don’t know what is next INDIA will get this time.
 
True, India granted Pakistan MFN status in the 1990's but is useless because of Indian Non Tariff Barriers(NTB). NTB's are discriminatory against those products in which Pakistan has a competitive advantage, thus the granting of MFN has been useless for Pakistan. Dawn published an excellent piece in the business section almost 4 months ago where it stated that Pakistan was reducing tariff's on more products compared to India.

Pakistani Style of doing business , Buy Indian tiers but they buy from Gulf countries by paying higher but cannot buy form India. They need Indian engines , electricity, Buys, CNG technology everything from India. They even need India's help in getting better trade deal from EU etc.
 

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