Mossadegh's legacy; 'Persian nationalism amongst strongest forces on earth'
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"Shahriar tells it way better"
OMG, so you know about Shariar. Then you should perhaps have read some other things he wrote, I'm sure Ir.Tab brother can confirm it.
"İgidlərin İran üçün şəhid olup, əvəzində dərd almısan, qəm almısan sən İrandan Azərbaycan", Your warriors became martyrs for Iran, in return you only received grief from Iran, Azerbaijan writes he in his poem.
Yeah right, the same genetic tests supposedly says that Azeri Turks of south are different people from north, fcking put yourself in such laughable situation.
Aren't Baloch "Ayranic"? They are. In fact they are closest related to Eyranic Kurds.
What do you mean? Azeri Turks are Turkic, and they have enough Turkic elements. Turkish, if you mean as in Turkey, is a different culture in itself.
OMG, so you know about Shariar. Then you should perhaps have read some other things he wrote, I'm sure Ir.Tab brother can confirm it.
"İgidlərin İran üçün şəhid olup, əvəzində dərd almısan, qəm almısan sən İrandan Azərbaycan", Your warriors became martyrs for Iran, in return you only received grief from Iran, Azerbaijan writes he in his poem.
Yeah right, the same genetic tests supposedly says that Azeri Turks of south are different people from north, fcking put yourself in such laughable situation.
Aren't Baloch "Ayranic"? They are. In fact they are closest related to Eyranic Kurds.
What do you mean? Azeri Turks are Turkic, and they have enough Turkic elements. Turkish, if you mean as in Turkey, is a different culture in itself.
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A recent study of the genetic landscape of Iran was completed by a team of Cambridge geneticists led by Dr. Maziar Ashrafian Bonab (an Iranian Azarbaijani). Bonab remarked that his group had done extensive DNA testing on different language groups, including Indo-European and non Indo-European speakers, in Iran. The study found that the Azeris of Iran do not have a similar FSt and other genetic markers found in Anatolian and European Turks. However, the genetic Fst and other genetic traits like MRca and mtDNA of Iranian Azeris were identical to Persians in Iran. Some new genetic studies suggest that recent erosion of human population structure might not be as important as previously thought, and overall genetic structure of human populations may not change with the immigration events and thus in the Azerbaijanis' case; the Azeris of the Azerbaijan Republic most of all genetically resemble to other Caucasian people like Armenians, and people the Azarbaijan region of Iran to other Iranians.
Origin of the Azerbaijanis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Yes, indeed. The Azeri's in Iran are genetic different than the people in Azerbaijan. This claim is based on genetic tests, rather than on ideology. If you want to claim otherwise, back it at least with evidence.
Kurd cavemans? Reported. No need to insult people.
And no, Balochi's aren't 'Aryanic'. According to the latest genetic tests, they cluster with Pakistani's more than with other Iranian people. You can read it here:
''Armenians from Tehran (THE-Ar), whose position, in the upper part of the Iranian distribution, indicates a close affinity with the Near Eastern cluster, while their position near Turkey and Caucasus groups, due to the high frequency R1b-M269 and other European markers (eg: I-M170), is in agreement with their Armenia origin; (iii) Sistan Baluchestan (SB-Ba) that clusters with its neighbouring Pakistan.''
Dienekes’ Anthropology Blog: Huge study on Y-chromosome variation in Iran (Grugni et al. 2012)
Did you read what I wrote about "genetics"? (patheticly mentioned in your post aswell)
Yes, indeed. The Azeri's in Iran are genetic different than the people in Azerbaijan. This claim is based on genetic tests, rather than on ideology. If you want to claim otherwise, back it at least with evidence.
Kurd cavemans? Reported. No need to insult people.
And no, Balochi's aren't 'Aryanic'. According to the latest genetic tests, they cluster with Pakistani's more than with other Iranian people. You can read it here:
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Are you aware how pathetic you sound? Nothing else is needed to be said when you claim that Azeri Turks to the opposite sides of Araz river are different peoples.
Balochis are closely related to Kurds in language and so on, this is a well known fact.
How pathetic are you really, you make a Iranic group non-Iranic, while a Turkic group are made into a Eyranic one.
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Are you aware how pathetic you sound?
Balochis are closely related to Kurds in language and so on, this is a well known fact.
How pathetic are you really, you make a Iranic group non-Iranic, while a Turkic group are made into a Eyranic one.
Pathetic? I'm here the only one who's backing his claims with evidence. I'm a man of science, so when I claim something, I backed it up with empirical tests or arguments. I don't post photos, because that's laughable in my scientific world.
Balochi's speak an Iranian language, but they cluster more with Pakistani groups, than with Iranians. I don't make that up on myself, but thats concluded after one of the most biggest y-chromosome tests of Iranians.
Azeri's aren't Turkic. Period. They only speak an Turkic language, but they are IRANIC by genetic and culture. And this is my last post in this topic.
"resemble to other Caucasian people like Armenians" Armenians are not a "Caucasian group" first of all, and secondly they were almost non-existent in Transcaucasia before the Russian invasion, as Russian Tsar brought a great number of them to Azerbaijani lands (this includes modern-day Armenia) from Anatolia and Iran. So how could Azerbaijani Turks resemble a group which were almost non-existent in the area?
Pathetic like said. None of the things in these claims even match the other. You may not know the history of the area, but to anyone who knows, you would know how pathetic and funny it sounds.
Azeri Turks on opposite sides of Araz river have only been separated for 2 centuries, so how can they be different peoples.
Pathetic like said. None of the things in these claims even match the other. You may not know the history of the area, but to anyone who knows, you would know how pathetic and funny it sounds.
Azeri Turks on opposite sides of Araz river have only been separated for 2 centuries, so how can they be different peoples.
You are funny. What you don't understand is the failed logic in these supposed mysterious "tests". There are so many stupid sides to that argument, it is just stupid.
Perhaps because the Balochis does not fit the Eyranic agenda? They are a Iranic group just as Azeri Turks are a Turkic group, you are pathetic and funny. And its not like a Farsi in Shiraz are different than a Baloch in that regard. I don't know why you are stuck in Balochis, show me another Iranian group which is similiar to the example I gave.
Wether you like it or not, they are. And they are proud of it aswell, as our brother Ir.Tabriz has made it clear already.
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I also thought that Azeris in Iran were Iranic as Azari(not Azeri) was an Iranic language which used to be spoken in the region long ago...
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Mamnoon az babate shere ziba. Gar Iran nabashad tane man mabad.
I never accept those hostility which is unfortunately common in our society today. not only regards to Turkic races but every races around us. This is the most harmful diplomacy I have ever seen that could a country chose. Very harmful my friend! very dangerous!
About Turkic people in Iran and Turkey I think it is beneficial to study the history of Seljuq dynasty, then the divided form as Safavid and Ottoman. Despite the claims if you scrutinise the method of living in more traditinal area of Turkey you will find lots of similarities which is common in societies who share the history. There are similar folkolic art and music. There are similar tradition of marriage and celebrities.
On the other hand when I am in Tehran, I mostly talk in Azeri with people there. My Persian friends tell me "you,occupied Tehran without casualty!". You know Isfahan was the capital of Safavid empires for centuries. Or where Afshar dynasty of Nader live in Mashhad. I mean it is not a shock we are genetically the same after thousands of years, creating hybrid races.
Azerbaijanis in Iran could not differ much from Azerbaijanis in Baku. Half of my extended even some closer form of my family live there. This is true for lots of people here and there. Is it possible that someone to be different in genetic with his/her uncles?
Is this the only case people share the history in world? I am sure Netherlander and Germany have a lot to share. But do you see any kind of problem there! who could stop a Tajik to not enjoy from Hafez. Who could discard Afghans of belonging to Parth race.
Developed and Developing both are adjectives, but apparently there are huge differences. history of Turkic people in Iran is the shared history of current countries of Iran, Azerbaijan and Turkey. Unfortunately this opportunity of achieving an in-breakable peace bound between these countries turns to a source of flame just because that damn adjective is "Developing"!
Please review the posts, for which of them is the peace state more important than their race! This is the difference of European union and middle east! Middle east, a land where there are lots of things which are more important than human life!
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I agree.actually,genetcs shouldn't matter at all in today's world.It's a shame to devide people politically and socially by race.I just mentioned the genetics to show that Turks in Iran are not different from others.Today,when a person lives in a country more than 10 years,he becomes a part of that country,let alone more than 3000 years,which is right about all ethnic groups in Iran.Azerbaijan is Iran and Iran is Azerbaijan,Pars is Iran and Iran is Pars.Kurdistan is Iran and Iran is Kurdistan...They are unbreakable.We can't differentiate betwen them.It's been like this for thousands of years.
As you menioned correctly,many ME countries share lots of common things,culture,heritage and traditions.For example,regardless of ethnics and race, if you look at in the life of a regualr citizen of Turkey,Armenia,Azerbaijan,Tajikistan,Uzebekistan and etc,and compare it to an Iranian one,you would be surprised to see the similarities,maybe except the language.same clothes,foods,homes,habits and others.Your mention of Europe was very appropriate.They have many shared items,Grrman and French,British and French,Swedish and German,Spanish and British...,but they are using it as a means of alliance,not flame and wars.The opposite is hapenning in our region,and agaian as you mentioned,they are making us fighting each other and killing each other.
I hope someday we leave these stupid fights and form an alliance and become more powerful everyday.
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Your highness sir!
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