Moscow airport bomb: suicide bombers were part of squad trained in Pakistan

[Ignited Mind]

yes.if a state dont want to live with in the union better it has to be set free according to the peoples wishes.

Great! Then I guess we should also make suicide bombings legal, shouldn't we?

Anyone who wants to blow up, may blow up.

True democracy.

 

[Cheetah786]

thought to be part of a suicide squad trained in Pakistan's al-Qaeda strongholds sent to the capital to target the city's transport system.

Wow Amazing how some ones thoughs are enough to blame pakistan And enough for our indian friends to start there peopogenda also known as inferiority complex.

but is this the same FSB whos own agents were caught red handed last time and were blaming the attacks on Chechens.


The Ryazan incident
Russia: special report

Jonathan Steele
Guardian

Friday March 24, 2000



A new noun has crept into the English lexicon. Partly a puppet, partly a front man, a "put-in" is someone installed, imposed, or enthroned in power in a country by undemocratic but completely legal and constitutional methods. No need for a palace coup, an army putsch, or a revolution in the streets. The appointment of Russia's new president shows that to be a "put-in" you only require influential friends in the right place.

A pseudo-democratic seal of approval will be stamped on the lucky man on Sunday, when those Russian voters strong enough to resist the crushing hands of apathy and disgust troop off to the polling booths. But the real election took place last August when a handful of men behind closed doors in the Kremlin chose a hard-nosed apparatchik, Vladimir Putin, to take over from Boris Yeltsin.

Known as the "Yeltsin family", this bunch of asset-strippers who seized Russia's energy and raw material monopolies when state ownership ended, were well aware that anyone they picked would have little chance of losing what pass for elections in Russia. Incumbency and control of television are the keys. In a society where authoritarian instincts run deep, just being presented as the man in charge gives you a headstart since there is no requirement that challengers get equal treatment on news programmes. Far from it, they are either ignored or pilloried with no right of reply.

Four years ago the Kremlin clique used these cynical techniques to drag Yeltsin to victory after initial opinion ratings in single figures, even when he had a major heart attack three days before the poll. (Lying to voters, they denied the attack had happened.) This time the task was bound to be easier, provided they picked someone able to walk straight and keep sober in public.

What issue should he emphasise? Reviving the collapsed economy was a non-starter, since Putin clearly has no expertise and most Russians are too disappointed to believe anyone on the economy. Tackling corruption was also a hard issue on which to campaign, since the Yeltsin family's whole point in appointing an insider was to protect themselves and their friends from prosecution or revenge.

How about war? This was a better bet, since war plus media control give a man the chance to project a wider image as a strong leader. Chechnya was the obvious target. The Chechens had provided a pretext by invading Dagestan in August, and when several blocks of flats in Moscow and other Russian cities were blown up in September, popular anger against them rose.

Does that mean the Kremlin was behind the bombings, as some Russians have alleged? It is hard to know. The FSB, the successor to the KGB which Putin briefly headed, has not yet found proof of a Chechen hand. Investigators told a Moscow press conference last week they still believe Chechens may have been behind the explosions: but of the 26 people on their list of suspects, none is an ethnic Chechen.

Alexander Shagako, deputy head of the FSB investigation department, said his people had identified the components of the explosives used in all three cities, the drivers who delivered the explosives and stored them, and the people who chose which buildings would be attacked. But he admitted there was no proof that those who carried out the explosions were trained in an anti-Russian Islamic centre on Chechen territory.

Doubts over a Chechen link to the bombs were heightened by an incident in Ryazan, south-east of Moscow, in September when residents discovered a bomb in their flats and suspicious men who turned out to be FSB agents. The FSB later said the bomb had been put there as part of a training exercise. When Duma MPs called for an inquiry, pro-Putin MPs blocked it.

Much has been written about the enigma of Putin, but guessing makes little sense. Even if Russia were allowed a democratic poll, any winner would try to restore a strong state, give Russia back a sense of dignity, and improve tax collection. Putin too says he will do this. There is no surprise there. The crucial test is whether he means it, given his undistinguished career as a KGB agent and servant of Russia's new rich. Will he remain as crude and authoritarian as his behaviour suggests, with his references to critical journalists as "traitors" and Chechen opponents as "animals", and his dirty tricks against dissidents and, most recently, against the prosecutor who tried to investigate the Yeltsin family?

After leaving the KGB, Putin owed his promotion to two men suspected of corruption, Anatoly Sobchak, the late mayor of St Petersburg, and Pavel Borodin, the head of the Kremlin's property department. Will he really be able to break from the kleptocrats and their political friends who have captured the Russian state? Will he tackle the raw material monopolies and ensure a reasonable share of their earnings go to the national exchequer rather than disappearing abroad?

This is Russia's main problem, and it flies in the face of common sense that this new president will do anything serious about it. After all, it goes against a spy's code of honour to betray the men by whom he is "put in". [1]

Evidence shows secret police were behind 'terrorist' bomb

John Sweeney
Observer

Sunday March 12, 2000

The photograph below of a detonator pre-set to explode a bomb calls into question Russian leader Vladimir Putin's line - endorsed by Tony Blair during his visit to Russia yesterday - that Chechen terrorists were responsible for the explosions that killed more than 200 Russians last year.

Two bombs went off in Moscow, but a third bomb planted in Ryazan, 100 miles south, was defused by bomb squad officer Yuri Tkachenko who said: 'It was a live bomb.' It was made of the same explosive, Hexagen, and planted in a similar target - a working-class block of flats.

The third bomb did not go off because the bombers were caught red-handed. They were Russian, not Chechen, and when they were arrested by local police they flashed identity cards from the FSB - the new styling for the KGB, the secret police Putin headed before he became Russia's acting President. Two days later the FSB announced that the third bomb had only been 'a training exercise'.

The Kremlin's evidence that Chechen terrorists bombed Moscow is extremely thin. After the bomb outrages, secret police in the FSB handed out Photofit pictures of unnamed Chechens. No suspects were arrested and no convincing explanation was given to the public.

The third bomb was found in the basement of the flats on the night of 22 September at around 9pm. Tkachenko said: 'It was a live bomb. I was in a combat situation.' He tested the three sugar sacks in the basement with his MO-2 portable gas analyser, and got a positive reading for Hexagen, the explosive used in the Moscow bombs.

The timer of the detonator was set for 5.30am, which would have killed many of the 250 tenants of the 13-storey block of flats. The sacks were taken out of the basement at around 1.30 am and driven away by the FSB. But the secret police forgot to take away the detonator, which was left in the hands of the bomb squad. They photographed it the next day.

The bombers were discovered by the people they meant to kill. Vladimir Vasiliev, an engineer com ing home for the night, noticed three strangers acting suspiciously by the basement of his block of flats at 14/16 Novosyolov Street, literally New Settlers Street.

Vasiliev noticed that the number plate at the front of the car had been covered up with a piece of paper, on it '62', the Ryazan regional code. At the back of the car the plate had the Moscow regional code.

Vasiliev, puzzled, decided to call the police. 'As we were waiting for the lift, one of the young guys got out of the car and the girl asked: "Have you done everything?" '

Vasiliev observed the three in the car: 'They were Russian, absolutely, not Asiatic. The girl was a blonde.'

The local police arrested two men that night, according to Boris Kagarlitsky, a member of the Russian Institute of Comparative Politics. 'FSB officers were caught red-handed while planting the bomb. They were arrested by the police and they tried to save themselves by showing FSB identity cards.'

Then, when the headquarters of the FSB in Moscow intervened, the two men were quietly let go.

Police Inspector Andrei Chernyshev was the first to enter the basement. He said: 'It was about 10 in the evening. There were some strangers who were seen leaving the basement. We were told about the men who came out from the basement and left with the car with a licence number which was covered with paper. I went down to the basement.

'This block of flats had a very deep basement which was completely covered with water. We could see sacks of sugar and in them some electronic device, a few wires and a clock. We were shocked.

'We ran out of the basement and I stayed on watch by the entrance and my officers went to evacuate the people.'

The following day, on 24 September, the FSB in Moscow announced that there had never been a bomb, only a training exercise. Vasiliev said: 'I heard the official version on the radio, when the press secretary of the FSB announced it was a training exercise. It felt extremely unpleasant.' [2]

 

[DV RULES]

One suicide bomber set off bomb at Domodedovo - investigators

25.01.2011

MOSCOW, January 25 (Itar-Tass) - The representative of the investigation into the explosion at Domodedovo has denied some media reports that Monday’s terrorist attack at the airport was staged by two terrorists - a man and a woman. “The main version of the investigation has not changed: one suicide bomber, a man 30 to 40 years old, heavily-built, most likely of European appearance, exploded at Domodedovo,” the investigation official said.

“Fragments of the body were severely deformed, but identification is possible with a special expert examination,” he specified. Special investigation activities to identify the possible accomplices are underway. The explosive device yield was from 5 to 7 kilograms of TNT. The caseless bomb was packed with striking elements - cut metal wire and balls of bearings.

A total of 35 people were killed as a result of the terrorist act. Thirty-one people died at the scene of the terrorist act, three in hospitals and one in the ambulance on the way to hospital, Deputy Minister of Health and Social Development Maxim Topilin said earlier. Eighty-six people were hospitalised mainly with explosive injuries and broken arms and legs.

Citizens of at least six countries were injured at the airport or killed. “There are citizens of other countries among those killed, specifically citizens of Great Britain,” Russian Investigation Committee spokesman Vladimir Markin said.

Several foreign embassies in Moscow have confirmed that their nationals were injured in Monday’s explosion at Domodedovo Airport. One Slovak and one Italian were injured, their embassies reported. Six citizens of Tajikistan were injured. The German and Turkish embassies are checking information on their nationals. A citizen of Serbia has been hospitalised with injuries.

ITAR-TASS

There is no official statement over this propagandized news released by western newspapers, so read & stop to enjoy your anti Pakistan feelings.

 

[SpArK]

Putin says airport bomb not linked to Chechnya | Reuters

 

[ajtr]

Do you need a reason to troll?

No!

In the same way, degraded minds of a few do not need the crutches of reason to support their whims.

It is human nature to fight. We humans have been fighting ever since we started walking or maybe even earlier.

so u mean to say all those who ask for freedom are degraded minds which includes all those indian freedom fighters who fought for independence from british empire.

 

[Jigs]

Some basic facts have to be cleared. As of now, the news says that some individuals were trained in Iran and Pakistan. That does not follow that GoP is involved. So nobody must assume that. It is that individuals were trained by individuals/organisations in a particular country. Now it is no secret that there are some individuals/organisations trying to push an extremely fundamentalist agenda and will not hesitate to use terror or any other means to do so.
One fall-out of such incidents is the profiling of groups of people/communities/ nationalities in the aftermath of such incidents. That is not the desired solution.
Another matter is that the extremists are far too set in their philosophies and mind-sets. Some people here suggest that they can be convinced to abandon their ways. Not likely to happen. The hard-core element has to be eliminated; with extreme prejudice. Simply wiped out. The less hard-core will then see that it is a "zero-sum" game.

I never suggested it was the GoP nor did the article. However if it is traced to Pakistan having a mindset as "we will deal with the country who has legitimate concerns" is not the way to address this.

 

[Roybot]

yes.if a state dont want to live with in the union better it has to be set free according to the peoples wishes.

Partially agree, but what if these wishes are based on only religious differences? If you still think thats how it should be done, I would like to see China let go of Tibet and Xinjiang and Taiwan. After that if India doesn't let go of Kashmir, you'll see me protesting against India's occupation in Kashmir at the Lal Chowk with Pakistani flag and everything.

 

[SpArK]

so u mean to say all those who ask for freedom are degraded minds which includes all those indian freedom fighters who fought for independence from british empire.

Dont bring off topic things to all the threads which u often do... be on the topic.. i know u have a free hand here.. but not all the time..

 

[Ignited Mind]

so u mean to say all those who ask for freedom are degraded minds which includes all those indian freedom fighters who fought for independence from british empire.

Now if I say something, people will cry that I'm going off-topic.

So it's better that I don't.

BTW, freedom is a subjective feeling.

When you were in your mother's womb, had your mom wanted to get 'freedom' from the pain of carrying you in her womb, she should have just killed you, isn't it?

Just like all the women in India who kill the female fetus in their womb.

After all, they are also wanting 'freedom', aren't they?

 

[SekrutYakhni]

I know that Americans have a penchant for getting smaller countries into a lot of trouble and they have a rather disturbing history of doing so. But my case is specific to the current bomb attack in Moscow. As you say, during the Cold War, some American elements possibly were behind assisting Chechn separatists using religion; but now the issue has grown so much that the militants have grown too strong and have become independent while what they were supposedly fighting for i.e. separatism in Russia has now become a serious obsession with them.

At this point, there is no point of hurling abuses against United States as this cannot undo what has been created. A comrehensive action plan has to be taken. And ever since I took an interest in your region, I have been now and then hearing news of a couple of terrorist incidents related to Russia having traced onto your lawless borders with the Afghans.

This if at all true, without being defensive must be thoroughly investigated.

Very naive, sir.

"but now the issue has grown so much that the militants have grown too strong"

I thought that Americans were smart people. They had an idea of a reaction...It is a fact that you cannot trust a pet snake, or can you?
Those people had to fight against their inventors..This is simple to understand.

If you bread your dog to fight with others, someday you will be the victim.

 

[SpArK]

Putin vows revenge for airport bombing


The Emergencies Ministry said the dead included one person each from Britain, Germany, Austria, Ukraine, Tajikistan. Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan; 16 were Russians and the remaining 12 had not been identified.
The attack called into question Russia's ability to safely host major international events like the 2014 Winter Olympics and the 2018 World Cup.
Still, the International Olympic Committee said it has "no doubt" that Russia will deliver a safe Winter Games in Sochi, even though the Black Sea resort is relatively close to the volatile Caucasus region.

TH - National/World Article

i dont bring anything off topic.u guys twist them and starts trolling forcing others to reply to ur off topic troll posts.

The bolded part is something that all Indians on this forum agrees to about YOU.

 

[Cheetah786]

Putin says airport bomb not linked to Chechnya | Reuters

Hey if putin says it must be true he is after all man of honor and lets just ignore the whole The Ryazan incident

 

[ajtr]

Dont bring off topic things to all the threads which u often do... be on the topic.. i know u have a free hand here.. but not all the time..

i dont bring anything off topic.u guys twist them and starts trolling forcing others to reply to ur off topic troll posts.

 

[rockstarIN]

Dont bring off topic things to all the threads which u often do... be on the topic.. i know u have a free hand here.. but not all the time..

Do not attack the messenger man, counter his arguments...

Instead of calling that person a troll..

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Congratulations in that case.

thanks!