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Pentagon report warns China is expanding its nuclear weapons arsenal faster than anticipated
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 Spectators wave Chinese flags as military vehicles carrying DF-41 ballistic missiles roll during a parade.

The Pentagon's new report has warned that China's nuclear expansion is significantly outpacing its estimates from last year. (AP: Mark Schiefelbein)
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The Pentagon has sharply increased its estimate of China's projected nuclear weapons arsenal over the coming years, saying Beijing could have 700 warheads by 2027 and possibly 1,000 by 2030.
Key points:
  • A year ago, the Pentagon's report said China had about 200 nuclear warheads and expected its stockpile to double by the end the decade
  • It now estimates Chinese nuclear warheads could increase to 700 within six years
  • The report reiterated the Pentagon's concerns about China's increasing its pressure on Taiwan

In its wide-ranging annual report to Congress on China's military, the Pentagon did not say how many weapons China has today, but a year ago it said the number was in the "low 200s" and was likely to double by the end of this decade.
While the report's new estimates would still be significantly smaller than the current US nuclear stockpile, they represent a significant change in the US projections.
The US has 3,750 nuclear weapons and has no plans to increase that.
As recently as 2003, the US total was about 10,000.
In the report, the Pentagon also reiterated concerns about increasing pressure on Taiwan, an island China sees as a breakaway province, and China's chemical and biological programs and technological advancements.
It put particular emphasis on China's growing nuclear arsenal.
"Over the next decade, the PRC aims to modernise, diversify, and expand its nuclear forces," the report said, referring to the People's Republic of China.
It added that China had started building at least three intercontinental ballistic missile silo fields.
Two soldiers hold their hands up in a salute while they ride in an open truck pulling a giant missile

Washington has repeatedly called on China to join it and Russia in a new arms control treaty.(Reuters: David Gray)
"Whether China follows through with these estimates from the United States will depend in great part on the policies and actions of the United States," Daryl Kimball, executive director of the Arms Control Association, said.
"The potential for China to increase its arsenal to these levels underscores the urgent necessity of pragmatic bilateral or multilateral talks to reduce nuclear risks."
China said its arsenal was dwarfed by those of the United States and Russia, and that it was ready for dialogue, but only if Washington reduced its nuclear stockpile to China's level.
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The Pentagon report renewed concerns about China's increasingly muscular military and its development of options to take Taiwan, one of several scenarios the US military cautioned Beijing could pursue.

However, a senior US defence official, who briefed reporters, declined to speculate about whether that scenario was likely or to say if they saw a near- or even a medium-term risk of armed conflict between Beijing and Taipei.

On the long list of potential Taiwan scenarios outlined in the briefing, the US official cited the possibility that China could work on options for everything from a joint blockade campaign against Taiwan to a full-scale amphibious invasion.

It could carry out air and missile strikes or cyber attacks.

China could also potentially seize offshore islands. The official declined to say which one of these contingencies was most likely or if any were likely at all.

However, the Pentagon has voiced concern about China's pursuit of capabilities that would enable such actions.

"They have a range of different things that they are wanting to be prepared to do," the official said.
Separately, the top US general said on Wednesday that China was unlikely to try to militarily seize Taiwan in the next couple of years.

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"Based on my analysis of China, I don't think that it is likely in the near future — being defined as, you know, six, 12, maybe 24 months, that kind of window," General Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said when asked if China was preparing to make a move on Taiwan in the near future.

The Pentagon report added a section on China's biological weapons and potential dual use, but did not look at the origins of COVID-19.

There has been increased focus on China's chemical and biological capabilities after COVID-19 was first identified in the central Chinese city of Wuhan in late 2019.

US intelligence agencies said last week they may never be able to identify the origins of the pandemic, as they released a detailed version of their review of whether the virus came from animal-to-human transmission or was leaked from a lab.

China has consistently denied allegations that the virus was leaked from a specialist laboratory in Wuhan.

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1,000 warheads by 2030 is not fast enough. By 2030 there need to be at least 3,000-5,000 warheads.
I don't believe that China currently has 300 to 500 nukes. they had a nuclear beast in the form of the ussr on their borders, they must have at least 2000 at the moment.

You gotta hand it to the Chinese...they are masters at keeping their secrets well hidden and remain completely quiet.
 
1,000 warheads by 2030 is not fast enough. By 2030 there need to be at least 3,000-5,000 warheads.
Absolutely agree, Enough for 2nd strike to wipe out US from the face of the earth... Keep in mind majority US population is in large cities about 80% in 80 cities give or take.
 
Pentagon report warns China is expanding its nuclear weapons arsenal faster than anticipated

ABC/Wires
:coffee: :sarcastic: :sarcastic: :sarcastic:

IMO another sensationized Fake News by Australian News Media.

IMO China has 10,000 warheads as not 1000 as alleged.

Just like ABC I never need to prove it.
 
80% in 80 cities
That would suffice, the rest 20% wouldn't survive the aftermath anyway.

And on 2nd strike, this doctrine is currently served by TEL-based ICBMs (e.g. DF-31/41), sea-based SLBMs (e.g. JL-2/3), and perhaps some new gimmicks not publicly known yet, targeting US cities with hi-yield (0.5~3MT) thermonuclear warheads. Warhead stockpile used to be more single-RV, higher yields, lesser in total quantities, while these years are becoming more MIRV, lower yields, deployed in larger quantities. Note under such doctrine, strikes on other US-affiliated nuclear countries will be launched simultaneously, DF-31 and other shorter-range arsenal will play these roles.

Those "old fashion" silo-based ICBMs (e.g. DF-5 series) are not for 2nd strike doctrine, they take at least 30-45 min (liquid-fuel) from order to launch deeming them ineffective to react, their continuous existence only serves as an option on the table if NFU no longer applies. High payload is an unique advantage of liquid-fuel ICBM however its silo-based nature hence predictable trajectory used to be a major weakness, but with techs like FOBS or HGV and such maturing these days, I believe silo-based ICBM can become effective delivery means once again.

 
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It shows that US still doesn't want to engage China in a cold war. Otherwise, it would have reported that China has 5000 nukes.
 
It shows that US still doesn't want to engage China in a cold war. Otherwise, it would have reported that China has 5000 nukes.
US wants to keep the delusion that China is not able to challenge US in nuclear exchange.

Its not about how many nuclear warhead u have but the sophistication like miniature high yield warhead and delivery system that counts.

If India has 5000 nuclear warhead. More likely it will killed themselves by enemy retaliate strike which ignite them than deliver to enemy or even pose a real threat.

China has world most powerful mobile ICBM DF-41 (longest range and 10 warhead) and DZF-17 which cannot be intercepted. China also demonstrated H-bomb high yield 3 megaton explosion (300 times the explosion at hiroshima)
 
Are they seriously quoting Hu Xijin’s number on this? Whoever wrote the report should be fired.
 
US wants to keep the delusion that China is not able to challenge US in nuclear exchange.

Its not about how many nuclear warhead u have but the sophistication like miniature high yield warhead and delivery system that counts.

If India has 5000 nuclear warhead. More likely it will killed themselves by enemy retaliate strike which ignite them than deliver to enemy or even pose a real threat.

China has world most powerful mobile ICBM DF-41 (longest range and 10 warhead) and DZF-17 which cannot be intercepted. China also demonstrated H-bomb high yield 3 megaton explosion (300 times the explosion at hiroshima)
I don't think China wants a cold war with US, either. But apparently, you really want one. :)
 
I don't think China wants a cold war with US, either. But apparently, you really want one. :)
Nice blame pushing to me. Who is the one who cheer for Taiwan independent? Who is the one who poke matter into Tibet, Xinjiang and Hong Kong? Who is the one sending fleet into SCS for so called freedom of navigation?

Go ahead and delude yourself that US do not want a cold war with China..
 
Are they seriously quoting Hu Xijin’s number on this? Whoever wrote the report should be fired.
A few simple images can earn $1 million a year. They should pay Hu. Any extrapolation of China's nuclear Arsenal is meaningless, because the official Chinese answer is: enough. Enough is not a fixed number.
 
Nice blame pushing to me. Who is the one who cheer for Taiwan independent? Who is the one who poke matter into Tibet, Xinjiang and Hong Kong? Who is the one sending fleet into SCS for so called freedom of navigation?

Go ahead and delude yourself that US do not want a cold war with China..
I don't blame you at all. I only think you really want China and US to be in a cold war. If 1000 nukes ain't enough, let's jack up the powerful DF-41, shall we?
 
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