More than 30 Years. Effect on Pakistan

[alirulesall123]

What's all the fuss about my Pakistani Brothers? There's a reason Pakistan has Nuclear Missles

I think what Pakistan should do is kick out all Afghan refugees, except for the ones that are doctors/businessmen, or have a useful profession. Most afghans are nothing but criminals and terrorists, and should be treated as such. They create divisions among Pakistani Pashtuns, feeding them bullshit about "Pashtunistan", and how Al-Qaeda are "liberators" who will save them from the "punjabi menace". They bring their stone age mentality into the streets and cities of our beloved country, and negatively affect our society. All Afghan refugees and their children should be deported as soon as possible. Afghans have shown consistently that they are not to be trusted, and are, on the majority, a deceitful and aggressive race.

Pashtun does NOT equal Afghan.

 

[Durran3]

What's all the fuss about my Pakistani Brothers? There's a reason Pakistan has Nuclear Missles

I think what Pakistan should do is kick out all Afghan refugees, except for the ones that are doctors/businessmen, or have a useful profession. Most afghans are nothing but criminals and terrorists, and should be treated as such. They create divisions among Pakistani Pashtuns, feeding them bullshit about "Pashtunistan", and how Al-Qaeda are "liberators" who will save them from the "punjabi menace". They bring their stone age mentality into the streets and cities of our beloved country, and negatively affect our society. All Afghan refugees and their children should be deported as soon as possible. Afghans have shown consistently that they are not to be trusted, and are, on the majority, a deceitful and aggressive race.

Pashtun does NOT equal Afghan.

Whats with the Racist comments? Have you ever met proper decent Afghans? Being a resident of Peshawar and lived in University town for more than 15 years i've met some really nice and wonderful afghans and have many afghan friends so calling them decietful and an aggressive race(what ever that means) is quiet sad. You would be surprised that majority of afghans are actually very moderate, just go to an Afghan wedding and you will see how great it is. Yes there are some who are petty theives and are involved in minor crimes but thats because of poverty and lack of proper infrastructure, these kind of things happen everywhere and you only have to look at your own backyard and our tribal belt as well.

I don't see any reason to deport all afghans, those who have houses in Pakistan, have established families, homes and are working should be properly documented and given the rights of any normal citizen. Majority of the people mean no harm and just want to live their life comfortably without being harrassed or oppressed, people need to start thinking about other people as humans first rather than calling them names and such.

Yes there is something that i don't like which is that many afghan stores always close down and the shopkeepers don't show up for days during Tax season. That is something that i find quiet shameful, if your going to be staying in this country and want to run a legitimate business you have to pay Taxes to Pakistan just like any other company or business here.

 

[muse]

Pakistani government supported murderers of Najibullah and Daud Khan and both of them were loved by many Afghans, especially Pashtuns. It's just a shame Pakistani people have to suffer because of their government's mistakes.

Watani

You are a victim of communist propaganda -- it was communist officers who killed Daud and you imagine that Najibullah, the communist thug and torturer was a Afghan nationalist???

Really get your head straight -- because in the end the only people confused and abused by communists are people such as you who neither know history nor want to know - you are happy that you can blame those who rescued your country from communists -- you want someone to blame - blame communists and blame Sardar Daud.

 

[Patriot]

We should have never intervened in Afghanistan when Soviets invaded Afghanistan.Let the Afghans become slaves of communists..and if you expected a pro daud response from GOP then you're only kidding yourself.He's the guy who was hell bent on bigger pushtunistan for Afghanistan and he got what he deserved.The lesson is simple for Afghanis: Don't mess with us..Mind your own business.Pakistan did not interfere in Afghanistan until the afghan tried really hard to support Pushtunistan insurgency.Arguably, Pakistan has lost the most by supporting Afghanistan during Soviet-Afghan War.We should have just made some sort of agreement with Soviets.The people of Pakistan from all parts of Pakistan donated millions of rs for Afghan refugees and in return we get a bloody nose from afghans.

 

[muse]

We could not do that, after Afghanistan, the communists would have targetted Pakistan - in any case, Pakistani security in the North West begins at the Amu Darya, that's just the way it is.

 

[mjnaushad]

Whats with the Racist comments? Have you ever met proper decent Afghans? Being a resident of Peshawar and lived in University town for more than 15 years i've met some really nice and wonderful afghans and have many afghan friends so calling them decietful and an aggressive race(what ever that means) is quiet sad. You would be surprised that majority of afghans are actually very moderate, just go to an Afghan wedding and you will see how great it is. Yes there are some who are petty theives and are involved in minor crimes but thats because of poverty and lack of proper infrastructure, these kind of things happen everywhere and you only have to look at your own backyard and our tribal belt as well.

I don't see any reason to deport all afghans, those who have houses in Pakistan, have established families, homes and are working should be properly documented and given the rights of any normal citizen. Majority of the people mean no harm and just want to live their life comfortably without being harrassed or oppressed, people need to start thinking about other people as humans first rather than calling them names and such.

Yes there is something that i don't like which is that many afghan stores always close down and the shopkeepers don't show up for days during Tax season. That is something that i find quiet shameful, if your going to be staying in this country and want to run a legitimate business you have to pay Taxes to Pakistan just like any other company or business here.

What will you suggest for the Afghans abuse Pakistan. As a reminder i also live in Peshawar and hear bad words from Afghans for Pakistan everyday. But Most of those afghans are Farsi Speaking.

 

[Developereo]

I see the Afghan refugees in Pakistan not as a burden, but as an opportunity. If we can educate them with a pro-Pakistan point of view, we can leverage these people and their connections throughout Afghanistan to turn the people of Afghanistan in our favor.

It's a PR issue. Besides supporting pro-Pakistan leaders, we should also try the people-to-people approach to promote an alliance with Afghanistan.

It's not just a good idea; it is essential. Because India is working the soft-power approach big time.

 

[ghamai]

guys what is this racism all abt? on one hand u keep saying afghans curse at us pakistanis but on other hand u do the exact same thing. then whats the difference between us? 'nd this is a political question so stay political as well, personal attack is only for the weak ones.

i am a pathan from swat 'nd like many ppl from swat my family also moved from kandahar to swat over a century ago. before the partition. but i 've grown up with afghans in pakistan 'nd here in europe 'nd i love them as much as i do love pakistanis. we pathans of pakistan cant forget that afterall afghanistan is the country where we were very well known by 'nd had a great history together with. 'nd its still close to hearts of many pathans. afghan weddings 're amazing, their food is amazing, their culture 'nd tradition is beautiful 'nd here in west they 're very well educated 'nd civilized so i got no idea why most of u talk nothing but rubbish?

as far as politics is concerned our government should 've thought of its results before interfering with afghan internal matters time on time because u can ignore all u want, pakistan has interfered with afghanistan many times. we pakistanis 've been enemies with everyone. from afghanistan, to india, to bangladesh 'nd now even usa 'nd israel. we should make friends now to protect us from danger but if we go on like this then one day none 'll care for us 'nd we'll be doomed. i agree with the above comment that we must try to clear any misunderstanding between us 'nd other countries so life can become easier for all of us

 

[ghamai]

We should have never intervened in Afghanistan when Soviets invaded Afghanistan.Let the Afghans become slaves of communists..and if you expected a pro daud response from GOP then you're only kidding yourself.He's the guy who was hell bent on bigger pushtunistan for Afghanistan and he got what he deserved.The lesson is simple for Afghanis: Don't mess with us..Mind your own business.Pakistan did not interfere in Afghanistan until the afghan tried really hard to support Pushtunistan insurgency.Arguably, Pakistan has lost the most by supporting Afghanistan during Soviet-Afghan War.We should have just made some sort of agreement with Soviets.The people of Pakistan from all parts of Pakistan donated millions of rs for Afghan refugees and in return we get a bloody nose from afghans.

there is a saying in pashtu which goes for our government. me kawa pe cha se darr ba shi pe tah

 

[Watani]

^ Exactly; 'Me kawa pa cha tse dar ba shi pa ta'.

@Muse
Do you know the difference between Khalqi's and Parchami's? No? You will understand what I am talking about if you search up about it, will do you good.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

And all this while Afghanistan's Emir and British Empire clearly had a deal that NWFP will be returned to Afghanistan after their contracted is over, which would be in 1993.

The Durand agreement shows no such timeline.

 

[Watani]

^ It showed agreement of terms of 100 years, for sure. I posted many articles and links about it and I am sure somewhere it was mentioned. But as I said, that's history and we must concentrate on our present and think about our future. What did we get from the past that we should strive towards it again......

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

^ It showed agreement of terms of 100 years, for sure. I posted many articles and links about it and I am sure somewhere it was mentioned. But as I said, that's history and we must concentrate on our present and think about our future. What did we get from the past that we should strive towards it again......

We have had this discussion before, and you failed to show how exactly this time-line of a 100 years was arrived at, when the Durand itself does not mention such a thing.

If at all there was to be a time-line, it would at least be in the agreement don't you think?
Durand Line Agreement, 1893 :: Khyber.ORG

Durand Line Agreement
(November 12, 1893)​

Agreement between Amir Abdur Rahman Khan, G. C. S. I., and Sir Henry Mortimer Durand, K. C. I. E., C. S. I.

Whereas certain questions have arisen regarding the frontier of Afghanistan on the side of India, and whereas both His Highness the Amir and the Government of India are desirous of settling these questions by friendly understanding, and of fixing the limit of their respective spheres of influence, so that for the future there may be no difference of opinion on the subject between the allied Governments, it is hereby agreed as follows:

1. The eastern and southern frontier of his Highness's dominions, from Wakhan to the Persian border, shall follow the line shown in the map attached to this agreement.

2. The Government of India will at no time exercise interference in the territories lying beyond this line on the side of Afghanistan, and His Highness the Amir will at no time exercise interference in the territories lying beyond this line on the side of India.

3. The British Government thus agrees to His Highness the Amir retaining Asmar and the valley above it, as far as Chanak. His Highness agrees, on the other hand, that he will at no time exercise interference in Swat, Bajaur, or Chitral, including the Arnawai or Bashgal valley. The British Government also agrees to leave to His Highness the Birmal tract as shown in the detailed map already given to his Highness, who relinquishes his claim to the rest of the Waziri country and Dawar. His Highness also relinquishes his claim to Chageh.

The language of the Durand is pretty clear, and there is no time line. I alos pointed out to you in that earlier exchange that international law considers agreements between two states applicable to successor states, which is why the agreement between the British and Afghanistan applies now between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

 

[pak-marine]

And also the fact that ISI has been biggest supporter of Taliban has upset quiet some Afghans, and even I remember how my Pakistani neighbours were praising Taliban when they were in Afghanistan only but since Taliban also reached Pakistan those very same neighbours of mine curse Afghans and Pashtuns by calling us Talibani terrorists. So many Afghans wonder why Pakistan was supporting Taliban during their time in Afghanistan, but turned their back on them when they also came alive in Pakistan? It was your government who was a big support of Taliban and therefore many people (even Pakistani's I met) are sure Pakistani government know what's going on with Taliban but isn't doing anything so they can get money from USA.
And now about the hatred, Afghans are upset with their own government plus with Pakistani government, mainly because of Taliban. Pakistan was also supporter of Hekmatyar who has killed thousands of people in Kabul only, plus Pakistani government set a camp in Pakistan for all anti-Daud Khan idiots and result of which was death of Daud Khan. And as soon as Daud Khan past away, Afghanistan's days in hell started. Afghans never hated Pakistani civilians but when it comes to politics, arguments do occur and they might say something which they would never have said if they were calm. Hope my post made at least something clear and you understand why we never got along politically.

[/QUOTE]

Difference btw liking of Taliban in Agghanistan is majority Afghans still think Taliban as heroes and a huge population still supports them , where as in Pakistan they are only supported by minority of Pastuns in NWFP and that solely because most of Afghan Taliban were Pustoons ...Pakistanis have proven their dislikes by not accepting them and like minded in elections ....in the rest of the provinces they werent admired a lot after the war esp during the last decade as we all knew what they are upto..! No matter what Pakistan have given them shelter and food in war ,also we have helped them getting rid of the russian invadors ...i just dont understand how can a common afghan have suddenly put this behind him and started hating Pakistan.