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I have enough of Indians boosting and foolish and insane false sense of superiority, their silly thinking that they have become “world richest country”.

They are one of the poorest countries in the world, despite their claims. The accumulation of wealth in few hands and thus skewed per capita income figures are giving them false sense of superiority. The fact is their per capita still is not much different from Pakistan. Pakistanis even though suffering for last 3 years due to corrupt PPP, but still live better life than common Indians.

We Pakistanis always blame our corrupt leaders and this fake war on terror, Afghan upheaval of last 30 years, which has dragged us back in Economic term.

The real face of India is exposed in this 2010 article in Guardian. More Indians are poor than sub-Saharan Africa. The poverty level in the whole state of MP was same as DR Congo.

The report says, poverty in parts of India is equal of not worst than that in Africa.

I say to Indians stop boosting, your country is dirt poor.
India's poverty rate
may 'fall' to 24% by
2015 Tags : Eastern , Millennium Development Goals , UN MDG , Jayati Ghosh , India June 23, 2010 The global financial
crisis has hit
the
realisation
of Millennium Development
Goals hard with loss of
employment and food
inflation slowing down the
progress and an additional
64 million people expected to be thrown into extreme
poverty by 2010-end
relative to a no-crisis
scenario. "Poverty rates will be
slightly higher in 2015 and
even beyond, to 2020, than
they would have been had
the world economy grown
at its pre-crisis pace," says a UN MDG report released on
Wednesday. The report said the
progress against hunger
has been impacted more
severely by the economic
turmoil with skyrocketing
food prices and falling incomes swelling the ranks
of undernourished. "The ability of the poor to
feed their families was hit
consecutively by
skyrocketing food prices in
2008 and falling incomes in
2009, and the number of malnourished already
growing since the
beginning of the decade
may have grown at a
faster pace," the report
says. Food prices spiked in 2008
and falling incomes due to
the financial crisis further
worsened the situation. According to estimates of
the Food and Agricultural
Organisation globally, the
number of people who
were undernourished in
2008 could have been as high as 915 million and
exceeded 1 billion in 2009. South Asia, with India [ Images ] as a predominant player, has not faired well
on most of the goals'
fronts, with its record just
above sub Saharan Africa. However, the report is
optimistic that progress
can be made in reducing
hunger and poverty by
2015, spurned largely by
China in Asia. "Poverty rates in China are
expected to fall to around
five per cent by 2015. In
India, poverty rates are
expected to fall from 51
per cent in 1990 to 24 per cent in 2015, and the
number of people living in
extreme poverty will
likely decrease by 188
million," the report says. The world could have
faired much better on the
MDGs if the global financial
crisis had not occurred. The Millennium
Development Goals (MDGs)
are eight international
development goals that all
192 UN member states
agreed to achieve by the year 2015. They are eradicating
extreme poverty and
hunger, achieving universal
primary education,
promoting gender equality
and empowering women, reducing Child Mortality
Rate, improving maternal
health, combating HIV/
AIDS, malaria, and other
diseases, ensuring
environmental sustainability and
developing a global
partnership for
development. Estimates suggest that the
crisis will leave an
additional 50 million people
in extreme poverty in 2009
and some 64 million by the
end of 2010 relative to a no-crisis scenario,
principally in sub-Saharan
Africa, Eastern and South
Eastern Asia. The crisis also threw
millions into a scenario of
vulnerable employment
and in the unorganised
sector. "The positive downward
trend in vulnerable
employment was
interrupted by
deteriorating conditions on
the labour market following the financial
crisis," the report says. For many wage and
salaried workers who lost
their jobs, as well as first
time job seekers who
entered the labour market
in the midst of the crisis, own-account and unpaid
family work are options of
last resort. "The ILO estimates the
global vulnerable
employment rate in 2009
to be between 49 per cent
and 53 per cent, which
translates into 1.5 billion to 1.6 billion people who are
working on their own or
as unpaid family workers
worldwide." The goal of fighting hunger
also met a roadblock with
the progress made since
1990s watered down by
the crisis. According to the
report, since 1990, developing regions have
made some progress
towards the MDG target of
halving the proportion of
people suffering from
hunger. The share of undernourished
populations decreased
from 20 per cent in
1990-1992 to 16 per cent in
2005- 2007. However, progress has
stalled since 2000-2002.
Hunger may have spiked in
2009, one of the many dire
consequences of the global
food and financial crisis. "In 2005-2007, the last
period assessed, 830 million
people were still
undernourished, an
increase from 817 million in
1990-1992," it said. In the field of child
mortality rate, India
witnessed improvement
but it was slow and
highlighted disparity. "Two states -- Tamil Nadu
and West Bengal [ Images ] -- have reduced the child
mortality rate by 70 to 56
per cent respectively but
economically better off
states like Maharashtra [ Images ] and Gujarat have shown almost no
improvement," said Jayati
Ghosh, professor of
economics at the
Jawaharlal Nehru [ Images ] University. Maternal health and
mortality rate continues to
be another dark spot for
South Asia, where only
one in four rural women
will have access to medically aided deliveries.
There was some good
news in the combating the
spread of HIV AIDS, in
which case the death rate
and incidence has started to come down but the rate of
new infections continue to
outstrip access to
treatment, according to the
report. Lack of access to sanitation
is another area of concern
where sufficient progress
has not been made. "In rural South Asia, only a
quarter of people have
access to sanitation.
Improvement has been
witnessed in the case of
slum dwellers but that is perhaps more because of
the change in definition of
slums," Ghosh said
presenting an analysis of
the report. The UN report cites big
gains in getting children
into primary schools in
many poor countries,
especially in Africa, strong
interventions in addressing AIDS, malaria and child
health and a good chance
to reach the target for
access to clean drinking
water. But also traces the poor
record in some other fields
like only half of the
developing world's
population has access to
improved sanitation, girls in the poorest quintile of
households are 3.5 times
more likely to be out of
school than those from the
richest households, and
four times more likely than boys from this
background. It also says that less than
half of the women in some
developing regions
benefits from maternal
care by skilled health
personnel when giving birth. The report also says that
the sharpest reductions in
poverty worldwide
continue to be recorded in
East and South East Asia
where MDG target of halving extreme poverty
has already been met, but
most South Asia is in
danger of missing the
target. South Asia also has a large
percentage of people in so-
called vulnerable
employment, characterised
by inadequate earnings,
substandard working conditions and a lack of
formal work arrangement
and benefits
 
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this is not a good thing, we shouldn't have war, more war more poor
 
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Foolish indeed are any efforts to belittle Ms. Roy. She is right on her figures, Indians on this forum have to broaden their horizons, stop living in cloud cuckoo land and denial mode.

Let me introduce some facts from your favourite “Wikipedia” the beacon of knowledge,

1 Poverty rates in rural Orissa (43%) and rural Bihar (41%) are among the world's most extreme.

2 Despite significant economic progress, one quarter of the nation's population earns less than the government-specified poverty threshold of 12 rupees per day (approximately US$ 0.25).

The paragraph says, India government describes poverty threshold Rs12 or 25 cents. Ms. Roy used Rs.20 as threshold. One quarter means 275 million people. So, the figure of people just above Indian poverty figure of Rs12 to Rs20 per day would be significantly higher, therefore, the figure used by Ms Roy of 800 million people earning Rs20 per day is very realistic indeed.

Now, let see what the Government of India's commissions says about poverty, do they say anything different from Ms Roy?

There has been no uniform measure of poverty in India. The Planning Commission of India has accepted the Tendulkar Committee report which says that 37% of people in India live below the poverty line.
The Arjun Sengupta Report (from National Commission for Enterprises in the Unorganised Sector) states that 77% of Indians live on less than 20 a day (about $0.50 per day). The N.C. Saxena Committee report states that 50% of Indians live below the poverty line.
A study by the Oxford Poverty and Human Development Initiative using a Multi-dimensional Poverty Index (MPI) found that there were 645 million[6] poor living under the MPI in India, 421 million of whom are concentrated in eight North Indian and East Indian states of Bihar,Chattisgarh, Jharkhand, Madhya Pradesh, Orissa, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh and West Bengal. This number is higher than the 410 million poor living in the 26 poorest African. nations.Poverty in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Therefore, the deluded Indians on this forum who are blaming Ms. Roy and belittling her or pretending the figures she quoted are wrong, or that this thread is not worth the salt, should wise up. Look what the Arjun Sengupta Report says, 77% Indians live on less than Rs20 a day. This makes 847 million Indians using a round figure of Indian population of 1100 million.

Arundhati is right, remove the bias masks from your faces and face the truth, India is dirt poor, 77% of your people live on Rs20 a day, fact.
 
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This is how it all started, the threadstarter after hearing 'indian economy' stuff began getting nervous, he sorts of was near to nervous breakdown, so he got himself a net connection and began searching anti-indian stuff, after all for him india shouldnt develop he got nothing, then he was dying and one day while surfing PDF for anti indian stuff he found a gem , a gem which had been used by many to gather thanks from users, the depression went away and his life was saved but sadly during these days he completly forgot pakistan,he thought that indians would point fingers at pakistan, the author had to answer them and then he thought and thought and came to a conclusion that he can conviniently blame the government and so ladies and gentlemen this thread was born.
 
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Delusion, this is based on Indians threshold of Rs12 per day. UN threshold is $1 day. Close to 900 million Indians or 77% live below UN poverty line, fact.

repeat it again and again. lets make this point a million time on forum by posting it everyday.
 
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My God. Are you a complete moron or an to post this article? 'More of world's poor live in India: Guardian/UN.' Every nation in the world has people living in poverty. So what India has more people which are poor than most parts of the world; India has 1 billion+ population, use your common sense here. We should try to help the poor and not laugh at them, which is what you are doing when you have posted this article. Indirectly you are saying 'Ha-ha India has the poorest people in the world.' We should first look at our own nation than look at another nation, until we have nation where not a single person is dying from starvation, we should not comment but help other nations follow the same path.
 
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I was in India this time for 2 months and visited a lot of the rural villages and small cities. I would never want to live in rural areas of India, but hey, it was not the worse thing ever. Most rural areas throughout Asia look the same. Or maybe i was too busy enjoying the scenic view to notice anything :P

Have you been to India?

Nope.. but my father and uncles have, they use to go there to recruit people for their company in UAE..

besides that, one of our Team Leaders from an ADB project, Berry van Gelder (check him on the net) stated after coming back from India and Pakistan in end of year 1999 that

"In Pakistan, you have to search for poverty, in India, it jumps on you"

For reference of those who might argue about credibility of this quote: Berry van Gelder, Team Leader, Project: Forestry Sectors, DHV consultants, The Netherlands..
 
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Delusion, this is based on Indians threshold of Rs12 per day. UN threshold is $1 day. Close to 900 million Indians or 77% live below UN poverty line, fact.
our children may be dying of hunger but they arent dying of bombs, sitting in UK its convinient for fanboys like you to comment on poverty, while you have done nothing towards it, think about pakistan, we are still ahead of you in virtually everything, you are only wasting your time on this anti indian stuff, in the meantime think about the problems pakistan faces and solve them.
 
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Another Indian living in denial & unwilling to accept REALITY -

Rent for his room, which is no larger than 10 feet by 4 feet, costs 1,500 rupees ($33). He struggles to send his two children to a poorly run government school that costs him another 1,000 rupees ($22). The remaining 2,500 ($55) must pay for food, medicines and any other necessities for his family of four.

I dont agree with the underlined part. Rs 500 per month per child in govt run school?? Lets share some facts:

Just 3 years back, I was studying in a self-funded state university in relatively poor state of Uttarakhand. hostel room rent Rs 260 (!! yes, true), electricity bill ~ Rs 600, Food bill ~Rs 900-11200 Per month (we used to take a lot of snacks, for drinking alcohol, otherwise food bill for just having BF, Lunch, evening tea & dinner was only Rs 700 a month), the university fee was a paltry Rs 11800 sumthing for a semester. Hospital fee (if you need) was Rs 1 and most of the OTC generic drugs were free of cost. We had facilities like Library with seating capacity of 1000 people, more than 3.5 lakh books, journals & periodicals, 500 computer strong central computing facility besides computer labs in every college. That was during my graduation days.

Now I am working and live alone in Delhi. Except for rent for my house, food & electricity doesnt cost more than Rs 1500 a month.

I agree that poverty is wide spread, but some of the facts mentioned by the thread starter need to be corrected.
 
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