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Moody’s cuts Pakistan’s rating to Caa1 citing increased govt liquidity and external vulnerability risks

The recent floods have played a major role in this rating slide. Additionally the global recession has not helped either.

But with international help (close to $6 billion in pipeline) and a fully committed political leadership, Pak can bounce back into investment grade in due time :cheers:
 
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You literally lost MILLIONS of Indians only last year and your laughing at a flood that has killed 1700????????? How do Indian Muslims possibly love with these hindus


You are trying to reason with a fvcking retard who fails to understand nature vs man-made. Bet ya he's a character from slumdog millionaire.. LMAO...
 
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They are both on the boundary of investment/junk. Not exactly a class apart. Caa3 and ba3 are a class apart.

They are very much a class apart. This is not a linear scale, difference between something like aaa and aa1 is not the same as the difference between baa1 and baa2, and certainly not the difference between baa3 and ba1. Their research analysts really think a lot and reconsider before downgrading a country to junk from baa3 since credit spreads really widen with that announcement and can also trigger backlash from a country, much more than they would think to simply lower from something like a1 to a2. A country really has to be in shit for it to be lowered to junk and with no foreseable future of improvement, ba3 is firmly junk, no comparison to baa3. There is actually less difference between caa2 and ba3 than there is between ba3 and baa3.
 
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ba3 is firmly in junk category and baa3 is investment grade, they are very much a class apart. Also, this is not a linear scale, difference between something like aaa and aa1 is not the same as the difference between baa1 and baa2, and certainly not the difference between baa3 and ba1. Their research analysts really think a lot and reconsider before downgrading a country to junk from baa3 since credit spreads really widen with that announcement and can also trigger backlash from a country, much more than they would think to simply lower from something like a1 to a2. A country really has to be in shit for it to be lowered to junk and with no foreseable future of improvement, ba3 is firmly junk, no comparison to baa3.
Nope, there is some variance in the credit ratings as it is. Baa3 is literally one sun-rung above junk as it is. In another rating agency, the country may very well be in highest rating junk class which is where ba3 is.
 
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Nope, there is some variance in the credit ratings as it is. Baa3 is literally one sun-rung above junk as it is. In another rating agency, the country may very well be in highest rating junk class which is where ba3 is.

baa3 maybe one step above junk but its still investment grade. Its like passing and failing. If cutoff is 50, you pass with 51 and fail with 49, that is a major major difference and you wouldn;t want to be the guy with 49, no one will help you if u keep whining that the guy who passed is 2 points above you. There is no case of a country being investment grade by one agency and junk grade by the other. baa3 would be investment grade by all and ba3 would be junk grade by all, obviously now there is a time difference between when these companies release rating, so it might be possible for like a month or 2, but not after that.
 
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India is Baa3 by Moody's, BBB- by S&P and FITCH (all three equivalent ratings)

Regards
 
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The immediate effect of the downgrade is that loan interest goes up as do repayment on loans.
Future loans will become more expensive
 
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Finance Minister Ishaq Dar warned Moody's Investor Service on Friday that he would give a "befitting" reply in a meeting with its officials next week if the agency did not reverse the downgrade of Pakistan’s sovereign credit rating.

"They (Moody's officials) have to meet me. I told them if you don't [reverse] this, I will give you a befitting response in our meeting next week," he said.


A day earlier, Moody's cut Pakistan’s sovereign credit rating by one notch to Caa1 from B3, citing increased government liquidity and external vulnerability risks, following the devastating floods that hit the country earlier this year.

"The outlook remains negative," said the New York-based rating agency, adding that the floods had exacerbated Pakistan’s liquidity and external credit weaknesses and vastly increased social spending needs, while government revenue is severely hit.

Debt affordability, a long-standing credit weakness for Pakistan, will remain extremely weak for the foreseeable future. The downgrade has pushed the country into the C-category after seven years, i.e. March 2015.

Talking outside an accountability court in Islamabad today, Dar said he had spoken to the agency's officials and told them that they "should not have done it".

Moody's should have consulted Pakistan prior to the downgrade, the finance minister said, adding that there was "no cause for worry" as rating agency Fitch had also downgraded the United Kingdom earlier this week.

"The main work of these rating agencies is related to bonds. We floated $500 million bonds in April 2014 and we had 14 times oversubscription.

"We have given our response. I have worked in international organisations too. It was impossible for them (Moody's) to undo [the downgrade]," he acknowledged, but reiterated that he would give a "befitting response" to the agency.

Ratings cut​

Moody’s said its Caa1 rating reflected its view that Pakistan will remain highly reliant on financing from multilateral partners and other official sector creditors to meet its debt payments, in the absence of access to market financing at affordable costs.

It expected Pakistan’s ongoing IMF programme to remain in place and provide an avenue for financing from the lender and other multilateral and bilateral partners in the near term.

Moody’s said Pakistan’s weak institutions and governance strength added to the uncertainty whether the country will maintain a credible policy path that supports further financing. The negative outlook also captures risks that, should a debt restructuring be needed, it may extend to private sector creditors.

The Caa1 rating also applies to the backed foreign currency senior unsecured ratings for the Third Pakistan International Sukuk Co Ltd and the Pakistan Global Sukuk Programme Co Ltd. The associated payment obligations are, in Moody’s view, direct obligations of the government of Pakistan.

Concurrently, the Moody’s also lowered Pakistan’s local and foreign currency country ceilings to B2 and Caa1 from B1 and B3, respectively. The two-notch gap between the local currency ceiling and sovereign rating is driven by the government’s relatively large footprint in the economy, weak institutions, and relatively high political and external vulnerability risk.

Moody’s also forecast inflation to pick up to 25-30pc on average for fiscal 2023, compared to a pre-flood estimate of 20-25pc.

Govt laments ‘unilateral’ action​

The government said Moody’s carried out rating action “unilaterally without prior consultations and meetings with teams from the Ministry of Finance and State Bank of Pakistan”.

Following Moody’s action, the finance ministry held two meetings with the agency’s team over the past 24 hours, sharing data and information which clearly show a picture contradicting Moody’s rating action.

The ministry said the “government policies over the last few months have helped in fiscal consolidation” and the government had adequate liquidity and financing arrangements to meet its external liabilities. The continuation of the IMF programme was based on the confirmation and confidence in country’s ability to maintain the fiscal discipline, debt sustainability and its ability to discharge all its domestic and external liabilities, it said.

It said Moody’s estimates translating economic losses into fiscal deficit was also contested as uptick in urgent current expenditure is being met through re-allocations and re-appropriations of budgeted funds thus mitigating the risk of rising deficit. On the revenue front, the increase in nominal GDP is likely to compensate for any dip in revenues.
 
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PDM and their handlers have put country to default on loans

They are solely responsible for 100%+ inflation

Meanwhile Ishaq Dar (financial terrorist) is giving threats (for real) to international credit rating agency Moody's for local consumption. What a joke Pakistan has become.

 
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I like the guys Chutzpah. Dollar Dar is one cool dude FM!

Khabardar, Khabardar!
Aa gaya Dollar Dar!

Regards
 
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dar's gonna make them an offer they can't refuse. he's the consigliere of the sharif family. that'll show them
 
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baa3 maybe one step above junk but its still investment grade. Its like passing and failing. If cutoff is 50, you pass with 51 and fail with 49, that is a major major difference and you wouldn;t want to be the guy with 49, no one will help you if u keep whining that the guy who passed is 2 points above you. There is no case of a country being investment grade by one agency and junk grade by the other. baa3 would be investment grade by all and ba3 would be junk grade by all, obviously now there is a time difference between when these companies release rating, so it might be possible for like a month or 2, but not after that.

Quite a bit of spread in ratings my friend. I wouldn’t hire anyone that passes at 51 either mind you. And if I do, I would mind hiring someone who fails at 49.
 
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