Momen: Bangladesh will buy 15 million doses of Covid vaccine from China

[UKBengali]

This is Indonesian data

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Indonesia Says Sinovac's Vaccine 98% Effective to Prevent Deaths From Covid-19

Sinovac's vaccine has been 98 percent effective in reducing the number of deaths due to Covid-19 among health workers in Jakarta.

jakartaglobe.id

Thank you for the data.


However, you cannot measure protection for the general population that includes elderly and all those with health conditions from a sample of health workers.

Best way to look at this is through real world data.

Let us look at graphs of deaths for both Chile and Turkey - they are the most useful as both countries have used Chinese vaccines mainly and in mass. Also they been giving them since January this year. Chile went into lockdown in March and Turkey in April to try to cope with a surge of infections and deaths.

While there is no doubt in both cases the vaccines are in fact working and preventing the majority of deaths that would have happened, there is ample evidence of the "only" 80% efficacy from death that Chile reported last month.


Yes, in the absence of any other vaccine, then best use the Chinese vaccine but do not assume that you will get near 100% protection as would happen when you take any of the approved Western vaccines on the market.


With AstraZeneca, it is not a good idea to give it to anyone under 50 as there is a small risk of blood clots and the vaccine is still being used in most of Europe in over 50s.
S Africa got spooked with a tiny trial of 2000 people where the AstraZeneca vaccine showed little effectiveness and so they went with J&J that showed over 60% effectiveness against their variant.
A large scale trial involving over 30,000 people in the US, Brazil and Chile showed AstraZeneca had 70-80% effectiveness against symptons and near 100% against death.


The UK is using AstraZeneca/Pfizer in 2:1 ratio and these are the results:

 

[Indos]

Thank you.... I've been trying to see data on the effectiveness of western vaccines in various countries now, but basically all the media and countries only report data on Chinese vaccines in various countries.Each country can disclose data on the Chinese vaccines it uses. However, the use of Western vaccines is basically not disclosed. Chile and Brazil, UAE all use Chinese and Western vaccines, Western countries are using only Western vaccines, but none of them have data on the use of Western vaccines in their countries.Only chinese vaccine has a lot of third-party data in the world right now . I don't know why, is this the power of Western hegemony?

I have read that most of the rich countries including South Africa have banned the AstraZeneca vaccine, but the AstraZeneca vaccine is still recommended by the media for use in third world countries.

I see a lot of Bangladeshis in this forum who are still bullish on the AstraZeneca vaccine. The data on the use of Pfizer vaccines in the US, Germany, France etc. has been a secret, only the media has been reporting the efficiency data provided by Pfizer itself, the western media has been promoting their vaccines as public, but not seeing any third party data.

Yup, the fact is Sinovac despite is largely used in Indonesian vaccination program hasnt caused any death while AstraZenika has caused two death despite the use is still limited in Indonesia. One of them is young healthy person and get blood clock

It is currently being suspended and Indonesia also has bough another Chinese vaccine, Sinoparm, around 15 million dose for private use ( not free like Sinovac vaccination program that are backed by government).

The Sinoparm vaccine will be financed by Indonesian companies, both state owned and in private sectors, there are already 2000 companies are ready to get the vaccines for their employees and employees families. This is too make our business sector also shoulders the vaccination program.

Thank you for the data.


However, you cannot measure protection for the general population that includes elderly and all those with health conditions from a sample of health workers.

Best way to look at this is through real world data.

Let us look at graphs of deaths for both Chile and Turkey - they are the most useful as both countries have used Chinese vaccines mainly and in mass. Also they been giving them since January this year. Chile went into lockdown in March and Turkey in April to try to cope with a surge of infections and cases.


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While there is no doubt that both vaccines are in fact working and preventing the majority of deaths that would have happened, there is ample evidence of the "only" 80% efficacy from death that Chile reported last month.


Yes, in the absence of any other vaccine, then best use the Chinese vaccine but do not assume that you will get near 100% protection as would happen when you take any of the approved Western vaccines on the market.


With AstraZeneca, it is not a good idea to give it to anyone under 50 as there is a small risk of blood clots and the vaccine is still being used in most of Europe in over 50s.
S Africa got spooked with a tiny trial of 2000 people where the AstraZeneca vaccine showed little effectiveness and so they went with J&J that showed over 60% effectiveness against their variant.
A large scale trial involving over 30,000 people in the US, Brazil and Chile showed AstraZeneca had 70-80% effectiveness against symptons and near 100% against death.


The UK is using AstraZeneca/Pfizer in 2:1 ratio and these are the results:

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Bro, If you can bring this data then how come you cant bring detail data about that 80 percent effectiveness in preventing death ?

I want to see whether 80 percent comes from 2 shot vacination or it is mixed with 1 shots or event worst where the majority are one shots vaccinated only

 

[UKBengali]

Bro, If you can bring this data then how come you cant bring detail data about that 80 percent effectiveness in preventing death ?

I want to see whether 80 percent comes from 2 shot vacination or it is mixed with 1 shots or event worst where the majority are one shots vaccinated only

Ok, here is the link:

Chile Says Sinovac Is 80% Effective Against Death From Covid

Sinovac Biotech Ltd.’s vaccine is 67% effective in preventing symptomatic Covid-19 infections and wards off 80% of fatalities from the disease, according to a Chilean government study published on Friday.

www.bloomberg.com

"Sinovac Biotech Ltd.’s vaccine is 67% effective in preventing symptomatic Covid-19 infections and wards off 80% of fatalities from the disease, according to a Chilean government study published on Friday.

The report said the Sinovac vaccine was 85% effective against hospitalizations and 89% in preventing people from entering intensive care units. This is the first such evidence showing how well the Chinese shot can protect against Covid-19 after it’s been widely used in a population."


Ok, some of the data looks a bit odd as it stops more hospitalisations than deaths - 85% to 80%. I guess some people died at home and then were tested for Covid-19 but who knows what is the case here.


"The Chilean health ministry study followed 10.5 million citizens enrolled in the country’s public health insurance system and included people that had received one dose, two doses and no dose at all. The efficacy figures were obtained 14 days after the second dose."

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

The information is that BD would have to wait till December this year to get its first batch of brought Chinese vaccines.

Pakistan, China's greatest ally, is itself getting tiny amounts of vaccine and so BD is likely to be even further down the list. Pakistan is currently on 5.3 million jabs and jabbing at a rate of 130,000 a day. BD was on around 160,000 a day with a 20% lesser population before it rationed as Indian stopped exports.

Not true at all. 130k a day was like few weeks ago. Its now almost 300k per day and increasing, total jabs 6.5 million.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1397784837088546819

 

[UKBengali]

Not true at all. 130k a day was like few weeks ago. Its now almost 300k per day and increasing, total jabs 6.5 million.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1397784837088546819

@Valar.


More evidence that Pakistan had a supply and not a demand problem when it was doing only 60,000 daily jabs around 1 month ago.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

@Valar.


More evidence that Pakistan had a supply and not a demand problem when it was doing only 60,000 daily jabs around 1 month ago.

No supply problem as Pakistan just opened registration for over 18 years old. But people willing to get a jab are increasing slowly.

 

[UKBengali]

No supply problem as Pakistan just opened registration for over 18 years old. But people willing to get a jab are increasing slowly.

5x increase in vaccinations in 1 month suggest a supply and not demand problem.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

20% of vaccinated people will still die(as opposed to comparable unvaccinated cohort) as prevention from deaths is 80%.

Other vaccines from West are almost 100% effective against death.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1397673179263471621

 

[Destranator]

it is doomed and now Bangladesh is trying to be above water. Bangladesh was using indian vaccine very fast which is of no use with no research in world.

What planet do you live in? AstraZeneca is unresearched?

 

[TOTUU]

Ok, here is the link:

Chile Says Sinovac Is 80% Effective Against Death From Covid

Sinovac Biotech Ltd.’s vaccine is 67% effective in preventing symptomatic Covid-19 infections and wards off 80% of fatalities from the disease, according to a Chilean government study published on Friday.

www.bloomberg.com

Take a look at the screenshot of the address you gave.

There is no data source, they just repeat the vaccine developer's data over and over again.... Not only does the West not export vaccines to developing countries, it also smears Chinese and Russian vaccines, the West is really noble and moral. The people of those countries that were colonized have always believed in the media propaganda of the colonizers.

As I keep saying, Chinese vaccine data is disclosed by individual countries according to their own standards, while Western vaccine data comes from the developers of the vaccines. The western media just says over and over again how good and effective their western vaccines are, but there is no data from any third party organization or country .

Chile and Brazil have never published any data on the use of Western vaccines, but all media outlets are unanimous in saying that Western vaccines are better. It's really ironic that the media in developing countries are quoting Western media everywhere and helping the West brainwash their own people. Of course the Chinese media is included here as well, even the official Chinese media, and everything we can see is provided by the Western media. For example, what the Chinese see of Indonesia, Bangladesh, what you see of China, it's all through the Western media.

 

[UKBengali]

Take a look at the screenshot of the address you gave.
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There is no data source, they just repeat the vaccine developer's data over and over again.... Not only does the West not export vaccines to developing countries, it also smears Chinese and Russian vaccines, the West is really noble and moral. The people of those countries that were colonized have always believed in the media propaganda of the colonizers.

As I keep saying, Chinese vaccine data is disclosed by individual countries according to their own standards, while Western vaccine data comes from the developers of the vaccines. The western media just says over and over again how good and effective their western vaccines are, but there is no data from any third party organization or country .

Chile and Brazil have never published any data on the use of Western vaccines, but all media outlets are unanimous in saying that Western vaccines are better. It's really ironic that the media in developing countries are quoting Western media everywhere and helping the West brainwash their own people. Of course the Chinese media is included here as well, even the official Chinese media, and everything we can see is provided by the Western media. For example, what the Chinese see of Indonesia, Bangladesh, what you see of China, it's all through the Western media.

We have had some good discussions in this forum,and if only for BD's selfish interest, I would like a strong and technologically advanced China that can balance the current dominance of the West.

I understand what you are saying but would not be surprised at lower efficacy on Chinese vaccines as it looks like they are using safer technology that has less side effects but at the cost of potency against the virus.

US CDC has published efficacy data on Pfizer/Moderna which shows 99.9%+ efficacy against death. Unless they are making this up then those two vaccines are excellent.

If you look at the two graphs I posted in my earlier post on this thread, on both Chile and Turkey it strongly suggests a somewhat less than 100% protection against death as they would have double jabbed all their most vulnerable 15-20% of their populations by early May at the latest but we are still seeing much higher per capita deaths than would be expected from near-100% death efficacy vaccines.

Don't worry most people in countries like BD and the Muslim world in general do want a successful China to make the world fairer, even if we have some issues as regards Uighurs and Rohingyas etc.

 

[TOTUU]

We have had some good discussions in this forum,and if only for BD's selfish interest, I would like a strong and technologically advanced China that can balance the current dominance of the West.

I understand what you are saying but would not be surprised at lower efficacy on Chinese vaccines as it looks like they are using safer technology that has less side effects but at the cost of potency against the virus.

US CDC has published efficacy data on Pfizer/Moderna which shows 99.9%+ efficacy against death. Unless they are making this up then those two vaccines are excellent.

If you look at the two graphs I posted in my earlier post on this thread, on both Chile and Turkey it strongly suggests a somewhat less than 100% protection against death as they would have double jabbed all their most vulnerable 15-20% of their populations by early May at the latest but we are still seeing much higher per capita deaths than would be expected from near-100% death efficacy vaccines.

Thank you. We are all third world countries and helping and trusting each other will make our lives better.

What I have been expressed is not to believe the data disclosed by the West itself. the CDC is a US government agency and it naturally helps US and Western companies. This is also the case with Israel. Until now, only Israel, a Western country, has disclosed some of the data on the Western vaccines they use. There has been no third party disclosure, which is very scary. AstraZeneca has been banned throughout the EU and South Korea, South Africa, and even then, there has been no disclosure of any data on the use of AstraZeneca in the various countries, whether in Germany, in France, in Denmark, etc. All the media are reporting data on the use of several Chinese vaccines in different countries. If Western vaccines are really good, why hasn't any data been disclosed by any country? Why is China the only country that has the courage to allow different countries to confirm vaccine use data according to their own standards. Western countries have used more than 1 billion vaccines, but there is no data. Only the western media is there talking about the Chinese vaccine data.

China has all kinds of vaccines, what the West has, China has, and what the West does not have, China also has. For example, China's MRNA vaccine is now in Phase III clinical trials, and if the trial process was compressed or skipped like Western vaccines, it would already be on the market.

We don't have to give propaganda to western vaccines, we can't just follow what the western media says. I do want to see a third party organization or country that can give data on the use of Western vaccines. Of course, I think this data unless it is very good, if the data is not good, the West will not report these data. I think that's why we haven't seen any specific data on vaccine use in the West. Look at the data on Chinese vaccines, there's all kinds of data on all kinds of standards in all kinds of countries.

English is not my native language, and my English is very normal, I can read English, but I can't express it fluently in English, so I am using the translation software to communicate with you. I hope you can forgive me if there is some strange words used, or if the tone is not friendly.

 

[lonelyman]

This is information from Chilean real world data.


Reducing deaths by 80% is good but other vaccines are nearly 100%.

this is complete bullshit, are you saying no covid death in the west after their population got vaccinated? no problem in UK from Indian variant?

why are you keep spreading lies about China vaccine, which proved 98% effective

Is it common trait of Bangladesh people just worship white people like God?

below is the source from you worshipped white people news site - protected 98% of them from death

China Sinovac Shot Seen Highly Effective in Real World Study
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ot-found-highly-effective-in-real-world-study

 

[VikingRaider]

Is it common trait of Bangladesh people just worship white people like God?

Disagree with this part. Handful of people doesn't represent whole Bangladesh.

However agree with other parts , I hope Chinese vaccine will successfully save the life of our people.

People want to be alive and they need vaccine.

China gave us vaccine when the treacherous India back stub us ( it's their nasty nature though, yes some Bangladeshi don't want to admit, very sad indeed) , and all world was close for us.

I am sure vaccine in the crucial time, will nake the bond between Bangladeshi and Chinese stronger than ever.

Because most of people know that, a friend in need is true friend indeed.

So don't pay attention to handful of people (elitist who believe that they are by default better and smarter than others) who rather rely on theory & and data , instead of ground reality of Bangladesh.

 

[Baby Leone]

so sad to see bangladesh situation, they should have understood that india does not even have resources to even help her own population let alone helping others.
Pakistan even dont rely only on China as every country is trying to vaccinate their own population first.
only China is helping others.