Modi's 'selfie' obsession continues at Sheikh Zayed Grand Mosque

[nForce]

What led me to believe what? Why hate Modi or why I feel for Muslims? By the way I will feel for any normal human being but when you are Muslim and you see another Muslim in hardship its different.

ahh.. that's what I want to know. probably you have some info that I don't have..

What did Modi do ? Gujarat riots ? That's what are you pointing at ? The court gave a ruling already !!

 

[SarthakGanguly]

infidels spewing hatred for my religion and Muslims here on this very forum.

Ok so let me get it clear. You declare people infidels and expect them ALL to shower praises on you. The 'you' is not you in person, of course.

Muslim and you see another Muslim in hardship its different

Yeah, I find nForce's noble attempt to find rationality in a religious d**kfight funny. The human hardship is not the major reason, the alleged Muslim hardship is. I accept the unpalatable truth - that the 'Two People Theory' is real, was real and will be real. There is a Muslim world, and there is a non Muslim world. And the two shall not meet, except superficially and in exceptions. One may disagree, certainly.

 

[I.R.A]

ahh.. that's what I want to know. probably you have some info that I don't have..

What did Modi do ? Gujarat riots ? That's what are you pointing at ? The court gave a ruling already !!

Same courts who hanged Afzal Ghuru and Memon in a haste? Do you really think courts of India and Pakistan are corruption free?

Gujarat riots are an old incident, but when someone asks a to be PM how he feels about it and he goes on to compare victims of minority with a puppy.........................

That to be PM is such a psycho that the day he casts his vote, he takes a selfie clearly violating the election laws of your country, and his mental illness of taking selfies does not stop there, come on is he a teenager or prime minister? Personally people who are into this selfie thing I find them Prigs, self obsessed.

His association with groups, well do I need to tell you what they think about Muslims?

A person who wears a suit that has his name printed all over it, come on.........................

Obama's statement is on record about minorities' treatment, statement of Modi's supporters are on record, do I need to tell you what his true intentions are? He may be a nationalist but he is a hypocrite, the one who is not able to teach minorities a lesson, I wished for him to be your PM so one day his chest thumping comes to an end, and gladly it did.

I find this person a hypocrite, a bigot, he is into hugging business but inside he is filled with hatred, his facial expressions during the speech he delivered in Bangladesh reconfirmed my doubts.

The way he expresses himself during speeches is an indication of another Hitler in making, compare the gestures sometime and see the similarity for yourself.

Buddy a true Muslim would never do what is being done in this picture, you may call it respect but I would call it fear of being oppressed, a fear that has led these sheep to touch his feet and bow in front of him.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

The court gave a ruling already

And you think Muslims outside India (even in India) will care two hoots about what the Indian Supreme Court decides about it? Think about it.

a fear that has led these sheep to touch his feet and bow in front of him.

We all do that to a teacher, a respected leader, irrespective of all our religious tones. Even Fathers in Christian convents are given this respect by Hindus and all alike. It is more an Indian custom, like the lighting of diya. Religion is Pakistan and Pakistan is religion (one particular actually). But we are more mixed and impure. And proudly so.

 

[I.R.A]

Ok so let me get it clear. You declare people infidels and expect them ALL to shower praises on you. The 'you' is not you in person, of course.

Yeah, I find nForce's noble attempt to find rationality in a religious d**kfight funny. The human hardship is not the major reason, the alleged Muslim hardship is. I accept the unpalatable truth - that the 'Two People Theory' is real, was real and will be real. There is a Muslim world, and there is a non Muslim world. And the two shall not meet, except superficially and in exceptions. One may disagree, certainly.

Now tell me another English word for kufr and I will use that, if you find infidel being offensive

The two nation theory came into being because of people like Modi. Otherwise the people, in fact the person who thought of this idea was genuinely supporter of "Sary jahan say acha hindustan hmara", now please don't tell me Muslims made him change his stance.

And in Pakistan we have this debate that how Mullahs were against creation of Pakistan and how they labelled Jinnah as an infidel

 

[SarthakGanguly]

On that count, it is true @Color_Less_Sky that Modi has no love for Pakistan. But that is something (for the first time) the vast majority of Indians associate with ( in the short history of the Republic of India.) Never before have Indians felt so apathetic about Pakistan/Pakistanis (except for hot guys/gals/food/drama/material aspects), especially about their lives as today. Don't mistake it for hate. It is not even hate now, it's just apathy. Pakistan can reach the stars, or may go down the abyss and Indians will hardly give a damn. This is the truth. Particularly for the youth and the kids. For better or worse, we have outgrown our attachment with Pakistan, the emotional link with the Peshwars, Lahores, Karachis or Multans.

in fact the person who thought of this idea was genuinely supporter of "Sary jahan say acha hindustan hmara", now please don't tell me Muslims made him change his stance.

You are a very decent fellow ( in fact Pakistanis here are the most liberal ones I have seen, including Areesh*). But you should know more about Iqbal, who was a Kashmiri himself. Only 4 years later he rewrote 'Chin o Arab humara' and was deeply ashamed by his previous nationalistic leanings. He became an Islamist without a Modi. Modi is a product of our time. He belongs to a State that saw its most precious cultural and famous religious place of worship destroyed not once(Somnath), but multiple times (17 to be precise). Expecting Gandhivadi one sided compassion is something we did not expect from our PM. So that's that. Our present motto is simple - which is very un-Hindu to be honest. In fact Hindutva is quite un Hindu. There is much lesser space for compassion. Today Hindus, Buddhists are not willing to follow Gandhi's advice and suffer atrocities silently. They react. It is certainly not good for those who come at the receiving end that time. But it's good for the Hindus and Buddhists.

Hindutva is actually a defense mechanism of a wounded civilization. The myth of Hindu cowardice is very real. Hindu bravery was actually a rare thing during the times of medieval India. Hindutva has upset this status quo.

 

[I.R.A]

On that count, it is true @Color_Less_Sky that Modi has no love for Pakistan. But that is something (for the first time) the vast majority of Indians associate with ( in the short history of the Republic of India.) Never before have Indians felt so apathetic about Pakistan/Pakistanis (except for hot guys/gals/food/drama/material aspects), especially about their lives as today. Don't mistake it for hate. It is not even hate now, it's just apathy. Pakistan can reach the stars, or may go down the abyss and Indians will hardly give a damn. This is the truth. Particularly for the youth and the kids. For better or worse, we have outgrown our attachment with Pakistan, the emotional link with the Peshwars, Lahores, Karachis or Multans.

For you it may be true, you may have outgrown out of it and there may be million like you, but total population of India is more than a billion and you and likes of you are a very small number when compared to billion plus.

Interestingly sometime back I had this argument with an Indian poster about why Indian media bashes Pakistan? He shared his statistics about the viewership and ratings, and he informed me there is some portion of Indian population in some particular region, that is is into this Pakistan bashing stuff, but when I asked further details he ended up referring me to people who don't even have TVs to watch, so I could not figure out, okay if Indians don't think too much about Pakistan, then why media is into it? and if media is not representative of people of India then why it strives for rating based on Pakistan bashing?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

And in Pakistan we have this debate that how Mullahs were against creation of Pakistan and how they labelled Jinnah as an infidel

To be honest, I thank Jinnah. Otherwise, I have no interest in what you think about him any further. I have abstained from almost all threads involving Pakistan. Pakistan specific threads are hardly touched by Indians. We just care less and less.

For you it may be true, you may have outgrown out of it and there may be million like you, but total population of India is more than a billion and you and likes of you are a very small number when compared to billion plus.

Interestingly sometime back I had this argument with an Indian poster about why Indian media bashes Pakistan? He shared his statistics about the viewership and ratings, and he informed me there is some portion of Indian population in some particular region, that is is into this Pakistan bashing stuff, but when I asked further details he ended up referring me to people who don't even have TVs to watch, so I could not figure out, okay if Indians don't think too much about Pakistan, then why media is into it? and if media is not representative of people of India then why it strives for rating based on Pakistan bashing?

The so called cow belt is still attached to bashing Pakistan. The HDI is low, development is minimal compared to the rest of the country and emotional attachment is strong. For the rest of India is nil. With education and time, this will go too.
But don't confuse it with hatred. It's only apathy.
Also don't judge India by its media. The media believed that Modi would lose the election.

 

[I.R.A]

You are a very decent fellow ( in fact Pakistanis here are the most liberal ones I have seen, including Areesh*). But you should know more about Iqbal, who was a Kashmiri himself. Only 4 years later he rewrote 'Chin o Arab humara' and was deeply ashamed by his previous nationalistic leanings. He became an Islamist without a Modi. Modi is a product of our time. He belongs to a State that saw its most precious cultural and famous religious place of worship destroyed not once(Somnath), but multiple times (17 to be precise). Expecting Gandhivadi one sided compassion is something we did not expect from our PM. So that's that. Our present motto is simple - which is very un-Hindu to be honest. In fact Hindutva is quite un Hindu. There is much lesser space for compassion. Today Hindus, Buddhists are not willing to follow Gandhi's advice and suffer atrocities silently. They react. It is certainly not good for those who come at the receiving end that time. But it's good for the Hindus and Buddhists.

Hindutva is actually a defense mechanism of a wounded civilization. The myth of Hindu cowardice is very real. Hindu bravery was actually a rare thing during the times of medieval India. Hindutva has upset this status quo.

You too are honest and decent and I like that about you , Pakistanis generally don't take things to heart they forget and forgive, I don't know about your common people though.

However, coming back to the point, Modi is not a personality dear, its a mentality that makes every Iqbal rethink and rewrite what he had initially wished for. It is the same mentality that killed Gandhi and reasons for his murder are not very hidden. You want me to believe that this mentality will not harm non dharmic religious following, considering it did not spare one of its own?

Pakistan specific threads are hardly touched by Indians. We just care less and less.

That is not true. As I said India is a country with a billion plus population, how can you speak on behalf of everyone?

The so called cow belt is still attached to bashing Pakistan. The HDI is low, development is minimal compared to the rest of the country and emotional attachment is strong. For the rest of India is nil. With education and time, this will go too.
But don't confuse it with hatred. It's only apathy.
Also don't judge India by its media. The media believed that Modi would lose the election.

Indian media nearly made these countries go to war by the way.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

You want me to believe that this mentality will not harm non dharmic religious following, considering it did not spare one of its own?

Gandhi was killed by a Hindu. For being too Hindu. In this world, virtue is less important when compared to more practical things like Darwinism.
Hindutva is borne out of a cultural nationalism. Like all such movements, Hindutva has the traits of a fascist movement (though it is democratic as of now). But the Hindu polity and consciousness is so malleable that Hindutva won't be able to outgrow it. Savarkar (top RSS ideologue) wanted an atheist Hindu cultural authoritarian state. But Savarkar was an exception. The Hindu/Buddhist religion/s etc are prominent in most Hindutva folks of today and will remain so in future. So, radical wishes of even the most braindead Hindutvavadi will never be fulfilled.

Babu Bajrangis will be arrested by the same right wing governments. The Gandhi family will still continue to be influential. If we had intentions, trust me, we could have cleaned it all by now. We have the majority now. Declaring an emergency after staging a fake terror drama is no big deal. But Hindu restraint will hold unlimited Hindutva. And rightly so.

how can you speak on behalf of everyone?

I don't. Come to India. Do a sample survey. Do a similar survey in Pakistan. Ask the same questions. See the difference. My personal experiences lead me to believe this. You can try it and have a different experience, in which case, I will cease to hold a rigid opinion.

 

[nForce]

Same courts who hanged Afzal Ghuru and Memon in a haste? Do you really think courts of India and Pakistan are corruption free?

I don't know about Pakistan, but Indian judiciary is unquestionable and I have complete trust on that. Both the persons you talk about had been given ample opportunities. They have been given death penalty as a rarest of rare scenario.

Gujarat riots are an old incident, but when someone asks a to be PM how he feels about it and he goes on to compare victims of minority with a puppy.........................

I really don't understand what you meant by that.

That to be PM is such a psycho that the day he casts his vote, he takes a selfie clearly violating the election laws of your country, and his mental illness of taking selfies does not stop there, come on is he a teenager or prime minister? Personally people who are into this selfie thing I find them Prigs, self obsessed.

You hate him for that ? Cmon now!! He likes taking selfies, let him be..

His association with groups, well do I need to tell you what they think about Muslims?

He is affiliated with right-wing Hindu organizations. That's what you are saying ? Well, it's not those right-wing organizations who rule India. Hindutva does not mean anti-Muslim, can never be.

A person who wears a suit that has his name printed all over it, come on.........................

Again, personal choice!!

Obama's statement is on record about minorities' treatment, statement of Modi's supporters are on record, do I need to tell you what his true intentions are? He may be a nationalist but he is a hypocrite, the one who is not able to teach minorities a lesson, I wished for him to be your PM so one day his chest thumping comes to an end, and gladly it did.

That's where the West has ...succeeded. You take Obama's words for granted, selectively . And then the same Obama poses for a selfie with Modi.. You know why people of India voted for Modi ? Because he did unprecedented development in Gujarat and the people believe he can replicate the same for the whole of India...

I find this person a hypocrite, a bigot, he is into hugging business but inside he is filled with hatred, his facial expressions during the speech he delivered in Bangladesh reconfirmed my doubts.

The way he expresses himself during speeches is an indication of another Hitler in making, compare the gestures sometime and see the similarity for yourself.

You're just being biased for no reason. And it's about time you start owning up your own faults in Bangladesh chapter.

And you think Muslims outside India (even in India) will care two hoots about what the Indian Supreme Court decides about it? Think about it.

Some do, more than what it was yesterday

 

[I.R.A]

Gandhi was killed by a Hindu. For being too Hindu. In this world, virtue is less important when compared to more practical things like Darwinism.
Hindutva is borne out of a cultural nationalism. Like all such movements, Hindutva has the traits of a fascist movement (though it is democratic as of now). But the Hindu polity and consciousness is so malleable that Hindutva won't be able to outgrow it. Savarkar (top RSS ideologue) wanted an atheist Hindu cultural authoritarian state. But Savarkar was an exception. The Hindu/Buddhist religion/s etc are prominent in most Hindutva folks of today and will remain so in future. So, radical wishes of even the most braindead Hindutvavadi will never be fulfilled.

Babu Bajrangis will be arrested by the same right wing governments. The Gandhi family will still continue to be influential. If we had intentions, trust me, we could have cleaned it all by now. We have the majority now. Declaring an emergency after staging a fake terror drama is no big deal. But Hindu restraint will hold unlimited Hindutva. And rightly so.

And you think Muslims could not do the same cleansing if they wanted to and when they had the chance? After taking into consideration all what you said about being Hindu?

I don't. Come to India. Do a sample survey. Do a similar survey in Pakistan. Ask the same questions. See the difference. My personal experiences lead me to believe this. You can try it and have a different experience, in which case, I will cease to hold a rigid opinion.

Get me a visa then I would love to meet PDF members there

 

[IN-2030]

I remember a watsapp peace I read yesterday.

A journalist asked modi what is your favorite fruit?
Modi said that an apple.
Journalist said that modi hates mango.
Kejriwal said that Modi is anti tradition since in our tradition mango is called the king of fruit.
Lalu said modi is a murdered since he like the red apple.
Rahul said that he is anti poor since he likes costly apples.

etc etc.

Quora pe active rhte ho aap.. D

 

[I.R.A]

@nForce dear we had a person with these same authoritarian gestures while delivering speeches, and his actions resulted into separation of East Pakistan. And for that primary blame lies with us, but backstabbing cannot be forgotten.

For rest of Modi's habits (personal choices) I believe every action of a Premier of a country is meant and taken to communicate something. He is self obsessed and such people are not healthy.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

And you think Muslims could not do the same cleansing if they wanted to and when they had the chance? After taking into consideration all what you said about being Hindu?

Muslims and Sikhs did their share - equally. Hindus just decided to do what they do best - die/flee or convert.

Muslims successfully killed more Hindus initially in Delhi even! Read the official accounts of AARs. Which is why the number of Hindu and Muslim casualties are comparable, even when only 25% of Indians were Muslim then.