Modi’s Balochistan reference ruined Indian stance on AJK: Frm Indian FM Salman Khurshid

[deckingraj]

with all due respect Pathankot was also commended by many as a Diversion tactic
now lets just see the the pattern developing on both sides
In India Kashmir is on boil again and this time is being noticed by many
recent Rajnath's exit has also been seen as Indian loss
Manohar admitting interference in baluchistan has seriously undermined Modis diversion tactic
on Pakistani side
more focus is on Zarb-e-azab appreciated by many
Afghanistan is on boil again many blaming Pakistan
US has not shown clarity in thoughts yet
no one giving a shit about balochistan

these are the stats as of now no need to go back in the past
Pakistan might seem to be on the backfoot as lead by many Indian tigers here
but most of this is pointing otherwise thats why i say lets sit back and see
also realize that current status of dialogue is also clotted by India as they are saying that talks will be only on AJK and terrorism
India is only acting like they are on front foot and have pakistan with tails in legs but you see all the scenario is otherwise also note that most of turns in Indo-pak dialogue right now are coming from India
hope that draws the image


sir if it was sarcasm
it still is not making the image

That has always been the case or atleast most of the occasion's..... Giving Pakistan MFN status or Bus Yatra to Lahore...putting a self restraint on not crossing LOC even though Pakistan was a clear aggressor...to inviting the same guy in Agra....to Sharm el-shekh and finally Modi's overtures completely opposite to his stance in pre-elections era....

Look i have said it repeatedly...Vajpayee and MMS bent almost backwards to put peace on track...Nobody expected Modi to do anything like that yet he surprised us all...The reason all these people tried is because there is a section in India which strongly believes that is it only your Army that plays spoil sport...Now if this sounds weakness to you then fine...It is early to say anything however it seems like India is loosing hope from civilian govt. as well and our stance is going to get more and more rigid.....early signs are there...raising Blochistan issue on independence day or firmly raising issues only about P-O-K were unthinkable few years ago...

And one more thing..Like Balochistan nobody gives a fukc about Kashmir as well.....All the world powers including your all weather friend says that this issue needs to be resolved bilaterally...and that's what counts...no??

 

[cloud4000]

If tomorrow India cease to exists on the map next to us, that will not make iota of difference to the life of a fruit seller in Pakistan trying to earn his living. This is how much you are relevant to us. Our concern is only Indian sponsored terrorism and how we tackle it.

Since both Pakistan's military and foreign policy is India-centric, I find your statement that Pakistan doesn't care about India to be lacking. Besides is India irrelevant to Pakistan, or is Pakistan becoming irrelevant to India?

 

[Pride]

with all due respect Pathankot was also commended by many as a Diversion tactic

Can't argue. Most of Pakistanis still believe 9/11 and 26/11 as 'Diversion Tactics' so no comment.

now lets just see the the pattern developing on both sides
In India Kashmir is on boil again and this time is being noticed by many

Yes, Kashmir is on boil again and if Pakistan did not mentioned Burhan as martyr then Pakistan's case would have been strong internationally but now it is only appeasement for internal people.

recent Rajnath's exit has also been seen as Indian loss

Rajnath's exit was considered as Indian loss by some Media person but Rajnath's going there painter as sincerity for SAARC but displayed Pakistan's adamant attitude.

Manohar admitting interference in baluchistan has seriously undermined Modis diversion tactic
on Pakistani side

In my opinion, I found Modi's mention of Balochistan was a strategy but Mr Parikar's statement as lame and not expected from Country's Defence minister.

more focus is on Zarb-e-azab appreciated by many
Afghanistan is on boil again many blaming Pakistan
US has not shown clarity in thoughts yet
no one giving a shit about balochistan

All are valid point. Neither India nor USA is close to 'worry' about Balochistan. It is diversion as discussion moved from Indian side Kashmir to Paksitan side Kashmir and Balochistan which defence.pk is full of it now.

these are the stats as of now no need to go back in the past
Pakistan might seem to be on the backfoot as lead by many Indian tigers here
but most of this is pointing otherwise thats why i say lets sit back and see
also realize that current status of dialogue is also clotted by India as they are saying that talks will be only on AJK and terrorism
India is only acting like they are on front foot and have pakistan with tails in legs but you see all the scenario is otherwise also note that most of turns in Indo-pak dialogue right now are coming from India
hope that draws the image

I have just reversed your stats with Indian perspective. With due respect, you are forgetting that Pakistan is actually on Backfoot from 1999 and the reason is Kargil was just start but afterwards, economy brought it down on backfoot since then. Remember, in this world stage economy plays the bigger game rather than these petty issues. China is still claiming SCS even after UN went against them, Did anyone could do anything? Answer is NO.

Currently India has lot to offer to world than Pakistan. Pakistan was once big to offer to USA in 70s/80s but there is nothing today except for China (Refer CPEC).

India Pakistan dialogue can never succeed as apart from 2 governments, Pakistani Army is a biggest factor. Modi was Serious initially to discuss the issues but that attitude is changed. Remember, Modi is the one who has resolved the Bangladesh Border issues. Unless there is Marshal law and Indian government discussing with General as head of the state.

sir if it was sarcasm
it still is not making the image

It is OK, healthy discussion is what we need however our perspectives are 180 degree different.

 

[ebrahym]

.Like Balochistan nobody gives a fukc about Kashmir as well

i am talking about noticing right now

That has always been the case or atleast most of the occasion's..... Giving Pakistan MFN status or Bus Yatra to Lahore...putting a self restraint on not crossing LOC even though Pakistan was a clear aggressor...to inviting the same guy in Agra....to Sharm el-shekh and finally Modi's overtures completely opposite to his stance in pre-elections era....

Look i have said it repeatedly...Vajpayee and MMS bent almost backwards to put peace on track...Nobody expected Modi to do anything like that yet he surprised us all...The reason all these people tried is because there is a section in India which strongly believes that is it the Army which plays spoil sport...Now if this sounds weakness to you then fine...It is early to say anything but it seems like India is loosing hope from civilian govt. as well and stance is going to get more and more rigid....

the current status of modi is indeed more and more rigid but as you have quoted my post i take it you have read it
now you tell me india is in a position to ignore Pakistan no one can deny that
and the rigid stance of modi has just attracted attention basically the delay of talks as india wants to talk only on AJK and terrorism where Pakistan have clearly said all talks will be without pre-condition
now u and me have different perspective about it but in international community it is regarded as India blocking talks and there has recently been a rajnath incident on saarc forum
now the diversion tactic might have worked but Manohar parikar has now ruined it
also note that in all this scenario pakistan's stance has not changed
hope u get the picture i m trying to draw

 

[MadDog]

Dont worry about that. Current govt will make sure that all relevant steps will be show to the world that our efforts are wasted with Pakistan. This is the reason we allowed investigators from Pakistan in Pathankot and your response made evident that Pakistan is nowhere serious to fix the terrorism. Your further support to Burhan and dispatched terrorists are nothing but strengthen the thoughts of world about you.

Modi's just mentioning of Balochistan made Pakistan frustrated and diverted all attentions from Kashmir to Balochistan. Welcome to new game of diplomacy and tactics.

Nop, the international attention is still on Kashmir, it is the nuclear flashpoint and disputed region and divided between the two not balochistan, people from ur own country has condemned this move, it has made your stance look weak, as if you're justifying human rights abuses in J&K , it didnt send a positive message to the world, good for us !!!

 

[Max]

This happens when you elect a person with mindset of Chai wala..

Pakistan like a responsible state is calm and composed, which is very good from our FO.. If needed they dont need 2 minute to sattle score with pointing fingers at Khalistan, dalits, gujrat killings, maharashtra's farmers, northeast etc.. But still calm and responsible.. I like that..

Again #freeKashmir

 

[Pride]

Nop, the international attention is still on Kashmir, it is the nuclear flashpoint and disputed region and divided between the two not balochistan, people from ur own country has condemned this move, it have made your stance look weak, as if you're justifying human rights abuses in J&K , it didnt send a positive message to the world, good for us !!!

Tell me, how many countries came up and put pressure on India or put economic sanctions due to Human right violations. You make it Human rights, we says that we eliminated the risk on normal humans. You say freedom operations, we say Pakistan sponsored Terrorism as Burhan was JeM trained and JeM chief is in Pakistan.

Our PM just mentioned that Pakistan is the last country from where we need Human rights violations, they killed their people in Balochistan through Air attack. Which is nothing but true. Now world is reading what you have done with Balochis that makes you more negative in front of the world than positive on us.

 

[ebrahym]

Can't argue. Most of Pakistanis still believe 9/11 and 26/11 as 'Diversion Tactics' so no comment

wont argue, no comments

Yes, Kashmir is on boil again and if Pakistan did not mentioned Burhan as martyr then Pakistan's case would have been strong internationally but now it is only appeasement for internal people

US, UN and international media is commenting on this so it is more like foreign peoples appeasement

All are valid point. Neither India nor USA is close to 'worry' about Balochistan. It is diversion as discussion moved from Indian side Kashmir to Paksitan side Kashmir and Balochistan which defence.pk is full of it now.

defence.pk is not what matters see no one has taken issue of AJK and baluchistan after manohar's comments

you are forgetting that Pakistan is actually on Backfoot from 1999 and the reason is Kargil was just start but afterwards, economy brought it down on backfoot since then. Remember, in this world stage economy plays the bigger game rather than these petty issues

well about economy CPEC runs through GB and i hardly think Pakistan was on backfoot due to kargil but economy yes

India Pakistan dialogue can never succeed as apart from 2 governments, Pakistani Army is a biggest factor. Modi was Serious initially to discuss the issues but that attitude is changed. Remember, Modi is the one who has resolved the Bangladesh Border issues. Unless there is Marshal law and Indian government discussing with General as head of the state.

that is again Indian perspective was army murmuring in the ears of Nisar during SAARC sumit
did army shook hands in bangkok .......... Army has a say in foreign affairs like all armies do....... but they are executed by civilians plus it was Nawaz sharif who decided that Pakistani investigation team will go to investigate Pathankot

 

[deckingraj]

i am talking about noticing right now

the current status of modi is indeed more and more rigid but as you have quoted my post i take it you have read it
now you tell me india is in a position to ignore Pakistan no one can deny that
and the rigid stance of modi has just attracted attention basically the delay of talks as india wants to talk only on AJK and terrorism where Pakistan have clearly said all talks will be without pre-condition
now u and me have different perspective about it but in international community it is regarded as India blocking talks and there has recently been a rajnath incident on saarc forum
now the diversion tactic might have worked but Manohar parikar has now ruined it
also note that in all this scenario pakistan's stance has not changed
hope u get the picture i m trying to draw

Look you need to understand International Community can push you to a limit...Being a big guy you need to act responsible(or are expected to)....Sending Rajnath Singh was a perfect example...Modi showed that SAARC is going to be treated differently than our bilateral fiasco...what Rajnath said in SAARC is exactly what we say in any International forum...Pakistan is meddling in Kashmir and is honoring terrorists...this is good enough for us to keep international community calm...also keep one thing in mind ....India can never progress unless and until our backyard is peaceful...so when we reach out to you it is not necessarily or only because of international community....

 

[ebrahym]

Tell me, how many countries came up and put pressure on India or put economic sanctions due to Human right violations. You make it Human rights, we says that we eliminated the risk on normal humans. You say freedom operations, we say Pakistan sponsored Terrorism as Burhan was JeM trained and JeM chief is in Pakistan.

Our PM just mentioned that Pakistan is the last country from where we need Human rights violations, they killed their people in Balochistan through Air attack. Which is nothing but true. Now world is reading what you have done with Balochis that makes you more negative in front of the world than positive on us

with all due respect dear sir this is clearly not how dipllomacy works plz do go through my posts

International Community can push you to a limit

international community can not push India all i am trying to say is that its indian issues in the lime light and modis efforts of diversion were neutralized by parrikar

.Sending Rajnath Singh was a perfect example...Modi showed that SAARC is going to be treated differently than our bilateral fiasco...what Rajnath said in SAARC is exactly what we say in any International forum

yes it was a gesture as you sau it was but you see in diplomacy you can not only say and when answered leave you have to take a stand just like Rajnath was heard so was Nisar and Rajnaths exit was clearly not a good dipllomacy
it would have been like after summit on airport rajnath held press conference and openly said all that thing that would have been different but he did nothing but exit

this is good enough for us to keep international community calm

dear sir US's FO comments UN's comments and international media says otherwise no one has admitted that PAK is doing it
i know that you are going to say that you dont give a **** about it all i am saying is diplomacy dont work like this

 

[Zee-shaun]

Modis reference to Balochistan and Gilgit Baltistan is a proof how CPEC is progressing.
Good things a about to happen to Pakistan and that's something some of our neighbors can't digest.

 

[jha]

As if Panchsheel has ever worked..

BTW now Lahore stopover makes sense. He gave long rope to Pakistani government/establishment. And they chose to tie themselves up.

 

[salarsikander]

This is the reason we allowed investigators from Pakistan in Pathankot and your response made evident that Pakistan is nowhere serious to fix the terrorism

Highly contradicting statement. whn you people yourself admitted that Pakistan has nothing to with attack on pathankot

Azad Kashmir belongs to us and balochistan is opressed that is the reason why we are talking about.do whatever you want to do in Sindh coz muhajirs are not safe in Karachi and data belongs to.afghanistan.

OMG you will have heart attack man just calm down.

 

[CorporateAffairs]

What more can we expect from Anti National Congress

 

[Hiptullha]

You must be happy if your enemy is doing stupid things rather than pointing at it again and again.we know what we are doing and we once planned the same thing for some other part of Pakistan. We did it once and we will do it again.You were supporting Sikhs first and now you are supporting Kashmiris.We are thinking about returning the favor.not sure how stupid does it sound but we are seeing this stupidity from quite long from you.

We've already set back Bharat's little Balochistan project back a few decades after catching that bald babu you sent as a spy. He's with us right now, being made to scream like the little Bharati monkey he is. With him in our hands, no one here is worried about Bharat's capabilities in Balochistan.