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Modi trying in Kashmir Israeli-style settlements

It was and is, a legal dispute.

Prior to 1971 the dispute was the subject matter of a UNSC resolution (1948) that recommended a three step plebiscite. The steps and conditions it laid down would be unpalatable for nearly all Pakistanis who swear by it today.

[Note: UN resolutions are not binding but I mention that only to distinguish them from binding international law (such as ICJ rulings or ratified treaties - which both India and Pakistan have generally enforced, such as Sir Creek, Bay of Bengal maritime boundary with Bangladesh, etc.).]

After the war Z. Bhutto agreed to resolve the issue bilaterally as a concession in the Simla Agreement - in exchange for repatriation of POWs, other lands, etc. You are welcome to see the text of that document.

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You are making three assumptions here:

1) Pakistanis are not willing to accept the terms of the UNSC Resolutions

2) The UNSC Resolutions on Kashmir are non-binding

3) The UNSC Resolutions have been superseded by the Simla Agreement of 1972 anyway


All these assumptions are WRONG





1) Pakistan has NEVER refused to accept the terms of the UNSC Resolutions.



2) The UNSC Resolutions on Kashmir are neither "Unenforceable" nor "Non-binding" ... :



a) UN maintains that "NO SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION CAN BE DESCRIBED AS UNENFORCEABLE."


b) There always has been a general inability of the Permanent Five to agree upon imaginative and expansive applications of Chapter VI ... In Somalia, the Security Council deployed the UN's first operation, UNOSOM I, in mid-1992 to separate warring combatants and help delivery of humanitarian relief ....

UNOSOM I entered and operated without invoking Chapter VII

Further Reading: http://www.ejil.org/pdfs/6/1/1305.pdf



c) India approached UN under Chapter VI of the UN charter , BUT the decision taken by UN reflected that its resolutions were not based exclusively on this chapter .... The resolutions , apart from chapter VI , are based upon other chapters , including chapter VII

The fact that there does not exist any provision for the deputing of UN peace keeping mission under chapter VI makes it obvious that UN resolutions were not exclusively based on chapter VI .... The interim measures which included cease fire and deputation of United Nations Military Observer Group were based on Article 40 of chapter VII ...

Besides chapter VI and VII , UN resolutions are based on other chapters also(i.e Article 1 , Chapter I (2) and Article 55 , Chapter IX) ...

^^ And this is not my personal opinion. That is Rosalyn Higgins' opinion on 'Kashmir Resolutions and under which chapter they were passed' .. Source: 'Higgins, Rosalyn. United Nations Peace Keeping 1946-67: Documents and Commentary. London, UK: Oxford University Press, 1970. (349-51)

(Rosalyn Higgins is an expert on International Law; a Doctor of Juridical Science. She has served as a Judge in the International Court of Justice for fourteen years (and was elected President in 2006). Her competence has been recognised by many academic institutions, having received at least thirteen honorary doctorates)




d) While a recommendation under Chapter VI by itself "may not" be binding, this is not the case in the Kashmir dispute. Here, the parties have consented to be bound by the resolutions of 13 August and 5 January. (13 M. WHITEMAN, DIGEST OF INTERNATIONAL LAW 360 (1968).



e) The UNSC Resolutions endorsed a binding agreement between India and Pakistan reached through the mediation of UNCIP, that a plebiscite would be held, under agreed and specified conditions. A letter dated December 23, 1948, from India's Secretary-General of the Ministry of External Affairs to the Representative of UNCIP, stated that the Indian Prime Minister's acceptance of the 5 January resolution was conditioned on Pakistan's acceptance of the resolution. By this letter, India consented to be bound by the resolution of 5 January and, through this, the resolution of 13 August as well. (Aide Memoire No. 1, Letter Dated 23 December 1948 From the Secretary General of the Ministry of External Affairs and Commonwealth Relations of the Government of India to Mr. Alfredo Lozano, Representative of UNCIP at 23, U.N. Doc. S/1196 (1949)




f) Self-Determination as a Binding Rule of International Law

Four instances may inform the principle of self-determination with a legal dimension.

(i) The principle of self-determination is binding upon the parties, whether they have adopted it as the basis or as a criterion for the settlement of a particular issue or dispute. In the peace treaties after World War I, and in the cases of Kashmir (after 1948), the Saar Territory (1955), and Algeria’s struggle for independence, the principle of self-determination was chosen as a basis for negotiation, and in the Agreement on Ending War and Restoring Peace in Vietnam (1973) the parties expressly recognized the South Vietnamese people’s right to self-determination.


http://opil.ouplaw.com/view/10.1093/law:epil/9780199231690/law-9780199231690-e873





g) The binding nature of these UN resolutions (as acknowledged by Indian officials)



Finally some quotes from Indian officials on Kashmir exemplifying their commitment to plebiscite rather than forced accession as history has found them do :-

We adhere strictly to our pledge of plebiscite in Kashmir; a pledge made to the people because they believe in democratic government; We don't regard Kashmir as a commodity to be trafficked in -Krishna Menon (Press statement in London, reported in the Statesman, New Delhi, 2nd August, 1951)

The Government of India not only reaffirms its acceptance of the principle that the question of the continuing accession of the State of Jammu and Kashmir to India shall be decided through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite under the auspices of the United Nations, but is anxious that the conditions necessary for such a plebiscite should be created as quickly as possible -Letter from Govt. of India to UN Representative for India and Pakistan, 11th September, 1951

I want to say for the purpose of the record that there is nothing that has been said on behalf of the Government of India which in the slightest degree indicates that the Government of India or the Union of India will dishonour any international obligations it has undertaken.
-Krishna Menon (Statement at UN Security Council, 24th January, 1957)

The resolutions of January 17, 1948 and the resolutions of the UNICP, the assurances given, these are all resolutions which carry a greater weight; that is because we have accepted them, we are parties to them, whether we like them or not. -Krishna Menon, (Statement at UN Security Council, 20th February, 1957)

These documents (UNCIP reports) and declarations and the resolutions of the Security Council are decisions; they are resolutions, there has been some resolving of a question of one character or another, there has been a meeting of minds on this question where we have committed ourselves to it. -Krishna Menon, (Statement at the Security Council, 9th October, 1957)


India believes that sovereignty rests in the people and should return to them. -Krishna Menon, (The Statesman, Delhi, 19th January, 1962)





Therefore, India is bound by word and deed to leave the future of Kashmir to the will of its people.





3) Simla Agreement has not (and legally can not) superseded the UN Resolutions. The LEGAL process is that if India, Pakistan and the Kashmiris agree on any solution of this dispute, they will have to go back to the UN Security Council with that "solution" to get it endorsed by the UNSC. Until then Kashmir will remain as an unresolved international dispute on the agenda of the UN Security Council, and the UN Resolutions on Kashmir will remain valid regardless of when they were adopted.
 
Kashmir is not Palestine neither opponent is non nuke state
 
@Dark-Destroyer

Permit me to reproduce your original post

India is showing the world it is a state that sponsors terrorism in Pakistan - it also is a oppressive regime that is involved in carrying out acts of terror on innocent Kashmiri population as well as commit mass human rights violations which the world will see...

Now let me ask you this. Do you have some voice recording or official documents that describe a wilful desire by Indian political leadership to terrorize Kashmiris? Wereyou present when these purported terrorist act took place? Do you know for a fact if these deaths are in self-defence or cold-blooded? I suspect you don't - and yet you let loose a vague unsubstantiated opinion coloured, no doubt, by your emotions on the issue.
 
Oh my god a Pakistani guy talks about mass human rights violations? You're exactly like the "Palestinians"! explain to me why do you live in the UK, and not Pakistan?
Im smelling a terrorist around :haha:
 
Im smelling a terrorist around :haha:
Well I live about 2000 kilometers away from you, its probably not me.

Lool, we don't get boycotted from international forums for gross human right violations nor we have to secure speicalmwaiver in UK for our foreign ministers
If you are not violating human rights I don't want to imagine what countries that do violate human rights do.
 
Oh my god a Pakistani guy talks about mass human rights violations? You're exactly like the "Palestinians"! explain to me why do you live in the UK, and not Pakistan?

explain to me, why you live in palestine and don't F off to USA?

explain to me why don't the UK jews go back to tel avaviv

imbecile


Also how ironic is this, a Israeli is coming on here preaching us about human rights. This has to be the joke of the century. you killed any innocent palenstianin kids recently bro? Scum !!!
 
He can't. Most of these ex-pats wouldn't fare too well in their country of birth. Nearly all would cheerfully swap their nationality to desperately get out of Pakistan yet are adept at working themselves into a rage and post something sanctimonious about a 'policy' they have no idea about, of international law they are not acquainted with, of 'human rights violations' that they have neither seen or experienced and about a region whose legal position is beyond their grasp.

lol get off your high horse, indians send more people out every year to earn a living then pakistanis do in 5 years.

you guys do still realise you are from india and not USA, a 3rd world country where majority take their morning shit on the roads outside their houses. a country with the highest population of poor people in the world.

you guys stink of being a wana-b first world country.

He even cannot stand on his own.A paralysed person how will he stand for Kashmir. Itne dande diye hai na iske ki yea sirf ek pakistani k kaabil reh gaya khasi.
disgusting comment, mods pls ban him

let me educate you, Yasin Malik was poisoned in prison when he was in custody by you indians. his blood was poisoned and he will never be 100% like he used to be again.
before you open your mouth and speak shit atleast get your facts right
 
Unfortunately he is not. He is only trying to bring back Kashmiri Pundits back to their home. Something that hurts the feelings of Islamist scum. but hey that's a good thing right?
 
Immigrants ≠ Refugees

But, even if your logic is correct India by far has one of the largest expat populations in the world, so there must be some really bad human rights violations there to make everybody leave.
I didn't call you a refugee. I asked, why are you in the UK, and not in Pakistan?
You guys talk like you are Human Rights experts, against occupation of Kashmir etc, is Pakistan an Utopia?
Or anything better than Syria for the sake of the argument?

I am not here to defend India, I just hate double standards.
 
explain to me, why you live in palestine and don't F off to USA?

explain to me why don't the UK jews go back to tel avaviv

imbecile


Also how ironic is this, a Israeli is coming on here preaching us about human rights. This has to be the joke of the century. you killed any innocent palenstianin kids recently bro? Scum !!!
Why do I live in where? What is "Palestine"? I bet its next to Narnia.

And for the rest of the sentence, you basically copied what I said about you guys.
 
Oh my god a Pakistani guy talks about mass human rights violations? You're exactly like the "Palestinians"! explain to me why do you live in the UK, and not Pakistan?

because Pakistan's military establishment's mode of survival is also their biggest export. If they have to eschew jihadi nutjobs they will be out of power and affluence in no time. Therefore they have brainwashed the Pakistanis for decades that the whole world is anti-islam and that somehow if the Pak colonel is not allowed to buy a third farm house, their faith will fold due to Hindu, Christian and Jewish aggression. According to them the Kashmiri Pundits who were massacred and driven out by the cross-border terrorists and their local minions, does not matter.
 
Why do I live in where? What is "Palestine"? I bet its next to Narnia.

And for the rest of the sentence, you basically copied what I said about you guys.

lol ask anyone that isn't an indian or jewish they would pick Israel as a bigger abuser of human rights then pakistan ever has. Then again you guys have your head stuck up so far up your arses that you can't comprehend what I'm saying.

laters
 
lol ask anyone that isn't an indian or jewish they would pick Israel as a bigger abuser of human rights then pakistan ever has. Then again you guys have your head stuck up so far up your arses that you can't comprehend what I'm saying.

laters
Nah, I would just need to ask anyone that isn't a liberal or a Muslim, and even then some of them will claim Israel is much better than any Islamic nation. And what is it, a race? You claim that Israel is committing more human right violations than you, *EVEN IF* it was right, it would be like Al Qaeda accusing ISIS of terrorism. Except that in this case, Israel is neither Al Qaeda or ISIS.
 

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