Modi-fication?

[Norwegian]

Ill give you a hint. its called H2O

 

[Shot-Caller]

Pakistan cannot and will not give justice because it would have a negative political effect on any party who even tries that.
IF Pakistani courts are failing to provide justice on TTP terrorists what hope do i have to gain Justice. Only way is to enforce them the way Isreali's do. Dawood Ibrahim has been walking freely for how long now ?

Why don't you take the initiative. Get in your car, drive to the border, cross it and get justice the israeli way. You'll see what happens.

 

[Echo_419]

Here is a nice OP-ed for Modi fan boys...

Modi-fication?
By Aakar Patel
Published: July 12, 2015

The writer is the editor and translator of Why I write: Essays by Saadat Hasan Manto, published by Westland in 2014. His book, India, Low Trust Society, will be published by Random House aakar.patel@tribune.com.pk

Prime Minister Narendra Modi is to be congratulated for his brave move in announcing he will visit Pakistan.

I do not only mean brave from the point of view of physical courage. I have been to Pakistan many times and not felt unsafe, and it is clear that Modi will find that he is given security of the highest standard. But even so, Pakistan’s most protected man, former president Pervez Musharraf had his convoy bombed twice and its former prime minister Benazir Bhutto was killed not that long ago. So Modi is brave in agreeing to go where even cricket teams have refused.

The second way in which he has been brave is that he has defied many in our media and also our strategic affairs experts in reaching out to Pakistan decisively. More importantly, he is defying those Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) supporters who insist that Pakistan only be dealt with firmly or not at all.

Modi has, for a long time, been celebrated for thumbing his nose at Nawaz Sharif. India, for the last one year, has said it will be able to bend Pakistan to its terms. This was the reason that India sulked with Pakistan over non-issues like the Hurriyat meeting the Pakistani high commissioner. On other matters, like the almost incessant shelling across the Line of Control, it has become clear that the BJP could not sustain its posture that India had enough firepower to overwhelm Pakistan decisively. We did not. Given this reality, it was bound to happen that India would have to change its attitude towards Pakistan. Modi has done so, as I said, decisively. Visiting Pakistan by a man from the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh who has viewed that nation as an eternal enemy is an exceptional gesture.

My old boss M J Akbar, who is these days in the BJP as its national spokesman, put a brave face on this U-turn by Modi. He said that “for the first time Pakistan has accepted to combat terrorism in ‘all its forms’”. This is, of course, a lie. Pakistan has used this exact formulation — rejecting terrorism in ‘all its forms’ — since 9/11. In fact, the ‘all its forms’ phrase was specifically used by Pakistan to include what it says is Indian state terrorism in Kashmir! So for the BJP to now call it a triumph is a bit rich.

The fact is that Modi went to Central Asia this week and would have learnt that any business he wanted to do for their natural resources, including gas, would happen only through Pakistan. India cannot expect Central Asia to dislocate itself and jump over Afghanistan and Pakistan. If we want good and robust relations with Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, we can only do that after we have good and robust relations with Pakistan.

There is no running away from geography as that other BJP leader, Atal Behari Vajpayee, often said in his wisdom. I agree totally.

Anyway, I should at this point toot my own horn. I had written this in November last year after yet another instance when Modi had changed his position on Pakistan:

“Modi broke off talks with Pakistan without thinking his steps through, in my opinion. He said tough things about Pakistan but this week he was embarrassedly forced to shake hands with an enemy, Nawaz Sharif, despite his decision on breaking off talks. But why was he forced? Because this was inevitable, as some had predicted, since Modi’s policy was neither here nor there. It was merely posturing. Acting tough and inflexible when this was not affordable and was impractical. What benefit has this sulking brought us Indians?

“Nobody in the BJP and none of its ‘hard’ supporters in the media can explain this. Defence Minister Arun Jaitley claimed he taught Pakistan a lesson through killing more of its civilians in border shelling than they killed ours. Assuming this was a lesson, and many Indians will disagree with this, can he guarantee that the shelling has ended forever? If he cannot, what was the point in not talking to Pakistan instead of working towards cooling things when they become heated?

“The hard school of thinking has nothing substantial to offer and this has become clear over the last 20 years. The facts show this. India is not strong enough to muscle its way over Pakistan because the BJP has made the subcontinent a nuclear battleground. India refuses to have international mediation on Kashmir, and, at least at the moment, India will not talk to Pakistan. This situation will change and it is going to have to be India and the hard group that will have to bend.”

The BJP has bent. Make no mistake, and ignore the brave but empty words of M J Akbar. Pakistan has not changed a single thing. It is the BJP and its unhinged supporters who have changed. And this is a very good thing.

Published in The Express Tribune, July 12th, 2015.

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Modi-fication? - The Express Tribune

What a scumbag

 

[surya kiran]

Ill give you a hint. its called H2O

2 things.

1. The Indus chap from your end has said, its not India which is stopping waters. This is as early as last month, I think. So its not water. It anyways, cannot be water because that can lead to international issues.

2. The current situation, I feel differently from the author. He says, its not thought through. With an NSA like the current chap, that, is a rich statement. The dis-engagement, I think, has led to an increased co-operation between India and her other neighbours. With the signal emanating, that, in areas of co-operation which are economic Pakistan's approval is not necessary. This is unlike policies of earlier governments, which played everything under the SAARC banner. Even in the current scenario it will be economics, I think. This meeting is not going to address the external players of either side. It is more likely, that, Pakistan will now be part of the highway project and rest under SAARC, than any movement in the bi-lateral side.

 

[Dash]

Modi wants to try his hands where everyone has failed. Let's see...

 

[Nair saab]

@Norwegian Dont Tag me in the Threads if the Author of your post are Riaz Haq, Mani Shakar Aiyar & Aakar Patel

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Here is a nice OP-ed for Modi fan boys...

Modi-fication?
By Aakar Patel
Published: July 12, 2015

The writer is the editor and translator of Why I write: Essays by Saadat Hasan Manto, published by Westland in 2014. His book, India, Low Trust Society, will be published by Random House aakar.patel@tribune.com.pk

Prime Minister Narendra Modi is to be congratulated for his brave move in announcing he will visit Pakistan.

I do not only mean brave from the point of view of physical courage. I have been to Pakistan many times and not felt unsafe, and it is clear that Modi will find that he is given security of the highest standard. But even so, Pakistan’s most protected man, former president Pervez Musharraf had his convoy bombed twice and its former prime minister Benazir Bhutto was killed not that long ago. So Modi is brave in agreeing to go where even cricket teams have refused.

The second way in which he has been brave is that he has defied many in our media and also our strategic affairs experts in reaching out to Pakistan decisively. More importantly, he is defying those Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) supporters who insist that Pakistan only be dealt with firmly or not at all.

Modi has, for a long time, been celebrated for thumbing his nose at Nawaz Sharif. India, for the last one year, has said it will be able to bend Pakistan to its terms. This was the reason that India sulked with Pakistan over non-issues like the Hurriyat meeting the Pakistani high commissioner. On other matters, like the almost incessant shelling across the Line of Control, it has become clear that the BJP could not sustain its posture that India had enough firepower to overwhelm Pakistan decisively. We did not. Given this reality, it was bound to happen that India would have to change its attitude towards Pakistan. Modi has done so, as I said, decisively. Visiting Pakistan by a man from the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh who has viewed that nation as an eternal enemy is an exceptional gesture.

My old boss M J Akbar, who is these days in the BJP as its national spokesman, put a brave face on this U-turn by Modi. He said that “for the first time Pakistan has accepted to combat terrorism in ‘all its forms’”. This is, of course, a lie. Pakistan has used this exact formulation — rejecting terrorism in ‘all its forms’ — since 9/11. In fact, the ‘all its forms’ phrase was specifically used by Pakistan to include what it says is Indian state terrorism in Kashmir! So for the BJP to now call it a triumph is a bit rich.

The fact is that Modi went to Central Asia this week and would have learnt that any business he wanted to do for their natural resources, including gas, would happen only through Pakistan. India cannot expect Central Asia to dislocate itself and jump over Afghanistan and Pakistan. If we want good and robust relations with Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, we can only do that after we have good and robust relations with Pakistan.

There is no running away from geography as that other BJP leader, Atal Behari Vajpayee, often said in his wisdom. I agree totally.

Anyway, I should at this point toot my own horn. I had written this in November last year after yet another instance when Modi had changed his position on Pakistan:

“Modi broke off talks with Pakistan without thinking his steps through, in my opinion. He said tough things about Pakistan but this week he was embarrassedly forced to shake hands with an enemy, Nawaz Sharif, despite his decision on breaking off talks. But why was he forced? Because this was inevitable, as some had predicted, since Modi’s policy was neither here nor there. It was merely posturing. Acting tough and inflexible when this was not affordable and was impractical. What benefit has this sulking brought us Indians?

“Nobody in the BJP and none of its ‘hard’ supporters in the media can explain this. Defence Minister Arun Jaitley claimed he taught Pakistan a lesson through killing more of its civilians in border shelling than they killed ours. Assuming this was a lesson, and many Indians will disagree with this, can he guarantee that the shelling has ended forever? If he cannot, what was the point in not talking to Pakistan instead of working towards cooling things when they become heated?

“The hard school of thinking has nothing substantial to offer and this has become clear over the last 20 years. The facts show this. India is not strong enough to muscle its way over Pakistan because the BJP has made the subcontinent a nuclear battleground. India refuses to have international mediation on Kashmir, and, at least at the moment, India will not talk to Pakistan. This situation will change and it is going to have to be India and the hard group that will have to bend.”

The BJP has bent. Make no mistake, and ignore the brave but empty words of M J Akbar. Pakistan has not changed a single thing. It is the BJP and its unhinged supporters who have changed. And this is a very good thing.

Published in The Express Tribune, July 12th, 2015.

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Modi-fication? - The Express Tribune

Ahmad Patel has not changed.

 

[illusion8]

@Norwegian Dont Tag me in the Threads if the Author of your post are Riaz Haq, Mani Shakar Aiyar & Aakar Patel

Same here. @Norwegian

 

[dray]

Here is a nice OP-ed for Modi fan boys...

Modi-fication?
By Aakar Patel
Published: July 12, 2015

The writer is the editor and translator of Why I write: Essays by Saadat Hasan Manto, published by Westland in 2014. His book, India, Low Trust Society, will be published by Random House aakar.patel@tribune.com.pk

Prime Minister Narendra Modi is to be congratulated for his brave move in announcing he will visit Pakistan.

I do not only mean brave from the point of view of physical courage. I have been to Pakistan many times and not felt unsafe, and it is clear that Modi will find that he is given security of the highest standard. But even so, Pakistan’s most protected man, former president Pervez Musharraf had his convoy bombed twice and its former prime minister Benazir Bhutto was killed not that long ago. So Modi is brave in agreeing to go where even cricket teams have refused.

The second way in which he has been brave is that he has defied many in our media and also our strategic affairs experts in reaching out to Pakistan decisively. More importantly, he is defying those Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) supporters who insist that Pakistan only be dealt with firmly or not at all.

Modi has, for a long time, been celebrated for thumbing his nose at Nawaz Sharif. India, for the last one year, has said it will be able to bend Pakistan to its terms. This was the reason that India sulked with Pakistan over non-issues like the Hurriyat meeting the Pakistani high commissioner. On other matters, like the almost incessant shelling across the Line of Control, it has become clear that the BJP could not sustain its posture that India had enough firepower to overwhelm Pakistan decisively. We did not. Given this reality, it was bound to happen that India would have to change its attitude towards Pakistan. Modi has done so, as I said, decisively. Visiting Pakistan by a man from the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh who has viewed that nation as an eternal enemy is an exceptional gesture.

My old boss M J Akbar, who is these days in the BJP as its national spokesman, put a brave face on this U-turn by Modi. He said that “for the first time Pakistan has accepted to combat terrorism in ‘all its forms’”. This is, of course, a lie. Pakistan has used this exact formulation — rejecting terrorism in ‘all its forms’ — since 9/11. In fact, the ‘all its forms’ phrase was specifically used by Pakistan to include what it says is Indian state terrorism in Kashmir! So for the BJP to now call it a triumph is a bit rich.

The fact is that Modi went to Central Asia this week and would have learnt that any business he wanted to do for their natural resources, including gas, would happen only through Pakistan. India cannot expect Central Asia to dislocate itself and jump over Afghanistan and Pakistan. If we want good and robust relations with Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, we can only do that after we have good and robust relations with Pakistan.

There is no running away from geography as that other BJP leader, Atal Behari Vajpayee, often said in his wisdom. I agree totally.

Anyway, I should at this point toot my own horn. I had written this in November last year after yet another instance when Modi had changed his position on Pakistan:

“Modi broke off talks with Pakistan without thinking his steps through, in my opinion. He said tough things about Pakistan but this week he was embarrassedly forced to shake hands with an enemy, Nawaz Sharif, despite his decision on breaking off talks. But why was he forced? Because this was inevitable, as some had predicted, since Modi’s policy was neither here nor there. It was merely posturing. Acting tough and inflexible when this was not affordable and was impractical. What benefit has this sulking brought us Indians?

“Nobody in the BJP and none of its ‘hard’ supporters in the media can explain this. Defence Minister Arun Jaitley claimed he taught Pakistan a lesson through killing more of its civilians in border shelling than they killed ours. Assuming this was a lesson, and many Indians will disagree with this, can he guarantee that the shelling has ended forever? If he cannot, what was the point in not talking to Pakistan instead of working towards cooling things when they become heated?

“The hard school of thinking has nothing substantial to offer and this has become clear over the last 20 years. The facts show this. India is not strong enough to muscle its way over Pakistan because the BJP has made the subcontinent a nuclear battleground. India refuses to have international mediation on Kashmir, and, at least at the moment, India will not talk to Pakistan. This situation will change and it is going to have to be India and the hard group that will have to bend.”

The BJP has bent. Make no mistake, and ignore the brave but empty words of M J Akbar. Pakistan has not changed a single thing. It is the BJP and its unhinged supporters who have changed. And this is a very good thing.

Published in The Express Tribune, July 12th, 2015.

Like Opinion & Editorial on Facebook, follow @ETOpEd on Twitter to receive all updates on all our daily pieces.
Modi-fication? - The Express Tribune

Apart from the usual suspects with their hate filled genocidal bigoted ideas from the other side(and some from this end too) that will soon be using their proverbial fecal holes to post away here, what is important to note is that the pragmatic side of Modi is pushing his desire to maintain his extremist votebank away. Which is a good omen, taking bold steps is the hallmark of great leaders.. and the paranoia associated with Modi may not be justified. History has a record of people going against their history to create big changes; if Namo is to be one of them is to be seen.

And that's really loosens some paints of false bravado from the hawk's face, isn't? If India had the leverage to 'carry out military strike at a place and time of its own', its unquestionable leader need not had to visit a state which can endanger his towering popularity among his fanatic admirers. Back to reality, guys. India is run, not by a single man's fantasy but its every economic, domestic and foreign policy are dictated by a system which has hardly changed itself since the last twenty odd years.

That is why all election rhetoric against corruption again are falling flat face in front of domestic political compulsions, Modi-gates, Vyapam scam or black money. Covert operation in smaller eastern neighbors were a regular affair, only difference is now political leaders are using it for chest thumping. And on terrorism issue, India looks still lonely, unlike Pakistan which has a reliable ally in the UN, making it (with distinct success), unaccountable for the charges India has been making for the last seven years. Time to design a better policy regarding Pakistan as it is going to enjoy its lucrative geo-strategic position with energy starved China at one side and the energy rich central Asia on the other with looming threat of religious fanaticism of IS.

Is it really a "Change of stance" or a "Second attempt at peace" by Modi as the PM of India, considering the fact that he invited the Pakistani PM on the very first day of his job and re-started the peace process under the new government? There was little surprise when the peace process took its 'usual course' and ended up in increased border firing and escalated tensions among the two neighbours. The 2nd attempt at peace will either result in nothing, or will result in a 3rd attempt at peace, nothing more than that.

India and Pakistan are not on the same page on 'peace talks'. For India it is about finding workable solutions for the existing problems, so that both countries can have peace.

But for Pakistan 'peace' is an instrument, a commodity, that they can trade with India in exchange of Kashmir, so that they can have Kashmir and India can have peace.

Hence, talk or no talk, it will remain 'business as usual' between India and Pakistan for the foreseeable future.

 

[scorpionx]

Hence, talk or no talk, it will remain 'business as usual' between India and Pakistan for the foreseeable future.

That's the point, precisely. Only difference is, this time there are some unnecessary and unfounded boastfulness from both sides.

 

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