Modi-fication?

[Star Wars]

Yes I can. Because people like you are why genocides and wars occur, why babies are cut out of their mother's wombs because they feel a need to avenge something to satisfy their own carnal needs.

OH yes, those evil Yindoo extremists. Anyone who thinks different to you is an inhuman extremist. How dare he ask for justice for those who have been killed mercilessly..

@JanjaWeed @magudi @sarthakGanguly [USER=142483]@Echo_419[/USER]

 

[SQ8]

Same facts are interpreted and perceived differently and yet both opposite views can be factually true. So its the matter of perception like colored glasses which makes the same fact seems different to the others.

Good observation, so now. What does it behoove those who can see both spectrums to do on both sides? Do they continue with their coloured spectacles or do they encourage as much as possible the non-tinted version?
Knowing that their non-tinted version may not be acceptable to audience on either side.

OH yes, those evil Yindoo extremists. Anyone who thinks different to you is an inhuman extremist. How dare he ask for justice for those who have been killed mercilessly..

@JanjaWeed @magudi @sarthakGanguly [USER=142483]@Echo_419[/USER]

I would be the first to give justice, but not agree to justice via revenge as your kind wishes.

 

[Star Wars]

I would be the first to give justice, but not agree to justice via revenge as your kind wishes.

Pakistan cannot and will not give justice because it would have a negative political effect on any party who even tries that.
IF Pakistani courts are failing to provide justice on TTP terrorists what hope do i have to gain Justice. Only way is to enforce them the way Isreali's do. Dawood Ibrahim has been walking freely for how long now ?

 

[scorpionx]

And that's really loosens some paints of false bravado from the hawk's face, isn't? If India had the leverage to 'carry out military strike at a place and time of its own', its unquestionable leader need not had to visit a state which can endanger his towering popularity among his fanatic admirers. Back to reality, guys. India is run, not by a single man's fantasy but its every economic, domestic and foreign policy are dictated by a system which has hardly changed itself since the last twenty odd years.

That is why all election rhetoric against corruption again are falling flat face in front of domestic political compulsions, Modi-gates, Vyapam scam or black money. Covert operation in smaller eastern neighbors were a regular affair, only difference is now political leaders are using it for chest thumping. And on terrorism issue, India looks still lonely, unlike Pakistan which has a reliable ally in the UN, making it (with distinct success), unaccountable for the charges India has been making for the last seven years. Time to design a better policy regarding Pakistan as it is going to enjoy its lucrative geo-strategic position with energy starved China at one side and the energy rich central Asia on the other with looming threat of religious fanaticism of IS.

 

[P.K.]

Good observation, so now. What does it behoove those who can see both spectrums to do on both sides? Do they continue with their coloured spectacles or do they encourage as much as possible the non-tinted version?
Knowing that their non-tinted version may not be acceptable to audience on either side.

First and foremost one must stop assuming that the other fellow has distorted vision.
As you yourself have pointed both could be right.
So before reacting to any provocation one must try to see the same facts from the other's perspective.

 

[SQ8]

Pakistan cannot and will not give justice because it would have a negative political effect on any party who even tries that.
IF Pakistani courts are failing to provide justice on TTP terrorists what hope do i have to gain Justice. Only way is to enforce them the way Isreali's do. Dawood Ibrahim has been walking freely for how long now ?

He has, the man is criminal and needs to be put behind bars. But since he serves a purpose the establishment will use him regardless of how evil he is. Is that evil of them, yes.. but then there is no good or evil in politics is there?
Now in the 60 years of Pakistan's existence, any astute reader will realize that there is little the people actually have a say in these major decisions carried out between the military-feudal nexus.. yet if that person is still adamant that the people are answerable to these actions then I see nothing but hatred instead of a wish for justice.

First and foremost one must stop assuming that the other fellow has distorted vision.
As you yourself have pointed both could be right.
So before reacting to any provocation one must try to see the same facts from the other's perspective.

Depends on who the other is. The climatologist in the subcontinent and the one in Australia will know why the two seasons differ for both in July, but the common people may not.. and so they do have distorted vision and the climatologists on both sides have every right to call it that.

 

[Star Wars]

He has, the man is criminal and needs to be put behind bars. But since he serves a purpose the establishment will use him regardless of how evil he is. Is that evil of them, yes.. but then there is no good or evil in politics is there?
Now in the 60 years of Pakistan's existence, any astute reader will realize that there is little the people actually have a say in these major decisions carried out between the military-feudal nexus.. yet if that person is still adamant that the people are answerable to these actions then I see nothing but hatred instead of a wish for justice.
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Which is why we take a hard line position on this. You can't expect us to love you(as in Pakistani establishment) while you keep known criminals and terrorists inside your country which is wanted by India.

Can you name one person who is a known criminal or a terrorist and killed Pakistani civilians which is hiding in India ?
How would you feel if the likes of TTP leaders were being safely protected by India inside Indian territory ?

 

[Spectre]

Good observation, so now. What does it behoove those who can see both spectrums to do on both sides? Do they continue with their coloured spectacles or do they encourage as much as possible the non-tinted version?
Knowing that their non-tinted version may not be acceptable to audience on either side.



I would be the first to give justice, but not agree to justice via revenge as your kind wishes.

For what you are asking, it would take a man of rare courage and intellectual honesty. Unfortunately politicians don't get to where they are by nurturing these qualities, they are a reflection or should I say extension of mainstream ideologies prevalent in society.

In every democratic society you would see that major judicial and political decisions follow the will of masses. When the public support for Gay Marriage in US rose to more than 50% levels, USSC in it's wisdom allowed Gay marriages which it had kept on hold for decades.

Contrarians and men ahead of their times from Galileo to Gandhi were mocked and scorned and ultimately killed.

The other option is for these men to grab power and be called tyrants, though I am yet to see a benevolent tyrant who was not corrupted by power.

@Nihonjin1051 your views?

 

[P.K.]

Depends on who the other is. The climatologist in the subcontinent and the one in Australia will know why the two seasons differ for both in July, but the common people may not.. and so they do have distorted vision and the climatologists on both sides have every right to call it that.

Therefore in this given situation climatologist is the one who can see the fact from right perspective ( non tinted ). If a commoner disagrees its understandable, the Expert ( here climatologist ) may correct him or choose to ignore him, as the situation demands.

 

[SQ8]

Which is why we take a hard line position on this. You can't expect us to love you(as in Pakistani establishment) while you keep known criminals and terrorists inside your country which is wanted by India.

Can you name one person who is a known criminal or a terrorist and killed Pakistani civilians which is hiding in India ?
How would you feel if the likes of TTP leaders were being safely protected by India inside Indian territory ?

The first only breeds more hate and essentially will lead to the destruction of both states if it goes beyond control

The second would be detrimental to India as well since these snakes arent exactly benign in the area where they stay.

 

[Kaniska]

Is it by the Bekaar Patel....I think no one is reading in Indian news paper so he started writing in Pakistan paper then....Of course, he is more fitting into Pakistan newpaper than Indian ones...

 

[Star Wars]

The first only breeds more hate and essentially will lead to the destruction of both states if it goes beyond control
The second would be detrimental to India as well since these snakes arent exactly benign in the area where they stay.

I doubt these talks are going to go anywhere without Mumbai attacks and Dawood being resolved. Besides those are the conditions by which India agreed to talk

 

[SQ8]

I doubt these talks are going to go anywhere without Mumbai attacks and Dawood being resolved. Besides those are the conditions by which India agreed to talk

They will go everywhere since the issues can be resolved outside of press as well. Lakhvi can be killed along with Dawood too. These people are worth nothing more than their value in terms of a book. Emotional subcontinent folks need to look at a person named manuel noriega and his history.

 

[Spectre]

They will go everywhere since the issues can be resolved outside of press as well. Lakhvi can be killed along with Dawood too. These people are worth nothing more than their value in terms of a book. Emotional subcontinent folks need to look at a person named manuel noriega and his history.

What kind of quid-pro-quo would be required from Indian side for Pakistan to take such an action?

 

[SQ8]

What kind of quid-pro-quo would be required from Indian side for Pakistan to take such an action?

Ill give you a hint. its called H2O