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due process of law is for every, even for the worst kind of criminals and terrorists..otherwise why did we keep kasab alive..?
MODI cleared Ishrat Murder
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due process of law is for every, even for the worst kind of criminals and terrorists..otherwise why did we keep kasab alive..?
We kept him alive because we wanted to extract every ounce of info we could... and to make an example of him before the world.
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I dont know ,This info was given by Headly to NIA ,only they can give proper answer on the "Code" or "Commander" thing.....
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In any case, even if she was a terrorist, considering they were planning the op for several days before execution, I think they should tried to arrest them first. My question to you- why didn't they use mumbai police to pick them up in mumbai itself before they left for Ahmadabad? You know they were fully aware of their whereabouts and plans for many days before they actually did the encounter right?
Yeah, well I'm gonna continue defaming him maggot, wade through it
Maggotman has a keyboard and taps out all kinds of fantasies
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exactly, same way we need to keep home grown terrorists a fair trail.
1) we will get valuable info during his arrest and long judicial process period.we can question him when ever a new info comes across other terror activities.further if he is on life term or something that opportunity extends to some more time till his info goes out of date.
2) it reassures the international community as well as his religious/ community members, and human right activists that he/she is indeed guilty. this will prevent a lot of rumours, noises and will prevent more people doing such terrorists activities in revenge/response of what they believe is a target killing of innocent Muslims (or of any group ).A fair trail by keeping him alive will save a lot of trouble.
3) giving free hand to police means giving room for a lot of personal, political, revenges and target killing of innocents, or even criminals who dose not deserve death penalty.
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Eliminating Threat is the important aspect ,Arrest is only one method for that you cannot insist that on every single case ......in my knowledge IB got info from a leaked conversation between one of the terrorist in moving car and his handler ,they handed this info to state police and rest is well known
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There should be an inquiry on Operation bluestar, where innocent terrorists were captured and killed by the Cong gov. Wht abt Manipur, where daily innocent people are getting killed in fake encounters, under the cong gov. I am waiting for the time when these Congs will invite outsiders to help them rule India. This happened before and it is bound to happen again.
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What is fake there?
Mr.Guynextdoor2, listen to this!!! all this false propaganda is going to result in only one thing...that is to unite all of us..there is enough evidence to believe that she is a terrorist..whether Modi ordered it or not..every Indian citizen agree that these terrorists need to be disposed..
If you are so much in love with Rahul G(ay)..well..go, and embarrass him..we have no issues...
Mr.Guynextdoor2, listen to this!!! all this false propaganda is going to result in only one thing...that is to unite all of us..there is enough evidence to believe that she is a terrorist..whether Modi ordered it or not..every Indian citizen agree that these terrorists need to be disposed..
If you are so much in love with Rahul G(ay)..well..go, and embarrass him..we have no issues...
1. They were already milked of all the info. Read about it. 2 of them were under custody for 3 months. They must have been eliminated only after all the information was digested and only the waste remained to be disposed.
2. Do you mean that the minorities will identify with terrorists just because they are the same religion? If so, we dont need to reassure anyone. All countries place national security above rule of law and India need not be an exception. If one does not like it, he is free to leave.
3. Terrorists have have not yet committed an attack cannot be effectively punished under the present laws and will get bail sooner or later. What is the punishment for an intention which has not been carried out? At the most they can be punished for being members of banned outfits. That is why suspected terrorists are never caught, but always eliminated.
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Yes. There should be impartial inquiry into operation bluestar..thousands of sikh killings after Indira's assassination..all killings in north east states..and killing of Madhavarao sindhia and Rajesh Pilot...
There should be inquiry in all these incidents...why selective?
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David Headley mentioned Ishrat’s LeT link
NEW DELHI: The inter-agency sparring over the Ishrat Jahan case took a new turn with a defiant Intelligence Bureau making available excerpts from a National Investigation Agency report detailing US ****** David Headley's account about the teen's terror links.
Even as a Congress-BJP political slugfest over the "fake encounter" unfolds with Congress leader Digvijaya Singh asking the home ministry to clarify if Headley — who surveyed 26/11 targets for Lashkar-e-Taiba — had indeed flagged Ishrat's LeT links, the NIA extract fanned the controversy further. According to excerpts from Headley's "unabridged" statement to the NIA, shared with TOI, the American LeT operative, on being asked about Ishrat, said LeT commander Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi had told him in 2005 that she was part of Muzammil's "botched up" operations.
Lakhvi is currently under arrest in Pakistan for the Mumbai attacks.
"I state that in late 2005, Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi introduced Muzammil to me. Having introduced Muzammil, Zaki talked about the accomplishments of Muzammil as a Lashkar commander. Zaki also sarcastically mentioned that Muzammil was a top commander whose every big 'project' had ended in a failure.
"Zaki added that Ishrat Jahan module was also one of Muzammil's 'botched up' operations," says Para 168 of the NIA report shared with the IB. It adds, in Para 169, that Headley stated that "apart from this, he had no other information/knowledge about Ishrat Jahan".
With the CBI naming senior IB official Rajinder Kumar as complicit in the fake encounter of Ishrat and three others, the disclosure of Headley's statement to NIA appeared to be retaliation by his colleagues who are upset about Kumar being allegedly a "collateral victim" of the Congress-BJP fight.
Interestingly, the NIA did not place this part of Headley's interrogation in the public domain, apparently on the ground that it amounted to hearsay. Intelligence sources, however, wonder how the rest of Headley's revelations were investigated and scrutinized while the Ishrat bit was discounted.
With BJP harping on the Headley evidence, Digvijay Singh, who met home minister Sushilkumar Shinde on Friday, complained about NIA, IB and CBI speaking in different voices. He sought to know if Headley had indeed told NIA that Ishrat was part of an LeT module. The BJP too joined in, asking the government to come clean on the Mumbra teen's alleged terror background.
The disclosure of Headley's statement came even as Shinde said that he would make inquiries from the NIA, and suggested that the IB-CBI feud may be spinning out of government's control.
NIA, for its part, maintains Headley's disclosures have no evidentiary value and are based on "hearsay". It has been suggested that the agency took this position on being nudged by the political authority. It is believed that Headley consented to being interviewed by NIA on the condition that nothing he says would be used for purposes other than aiding further investigation.
The statement made by Headley to FBI is learnt to be even more damning. The FBI statement, as quoted by IB, refers to Headley's revelation that Muzammil, with the help of Javed Shaikh alias Pranesh Pillai, had recruited Ishrat as a potential bomber. The LeT module, he is reported to have said, was planning attacks on temples in India.
Interestingly, MHA's own affidavit filed in the Gujarat High Court in 2007 cites Ishrat's links with LeT. It states Javed was in touch with the Lashkar cadres who were planning a major operation in Gujarat. It said Javed, who converted to Islam but secured a passport in his original Hindu name, Pranesh Pillai, had travelled to Dubai, where he worked for Lashkar. Later, he met Ishrat in Mumbai and convinced her to join him.
Though the MHA revised the affidavit in 2009, it only delinked itself from the follow-up action on the IB inputs, but stopped short of disowning the inputs on terror links of the slain module.
The MHA affidavit had pointed out how Ishrat was hailed as a martyr on the LeT website and in its publication Ghazva Times soon after the encounter.
The postings had taken umbrage to her veil being removed. Interestingly, the post on the said website was pulled off in 2007, and an apology tendered for her being labeled an LeT cadre. This came just before Gopinath Pillai, father of Javed Sheikh, filed a petition in the Supreme Court demanding a CBI probe into the encounter.
David Headley mentioned Ishrat’s LeT link, defiant IB says - The Times of India
NEW DELHI: The inter-agency sparring over the Ishrat Jahan case took a new turn with a defiant Intelligence Bureau making available excerpts from a National Investigation Agency report detailing US ****** David Headley's account about the teen's terror links.
Even as a Congress-BJP political slugfest over the "fake encounter" unfolds with Congress leader Digvijaya Singh asking the home ministry to clarify if Headley — who surveyed 26/11 targets for Lashkar-e-Taiba — had indeed flagged Ishrat's LeT links, the NIA extract fanned the controversy further. According to excerpts from Headley's "unabridged" statement to the NIA, shared with TOI, the American LeT operative, on being asked about Ishrat, said LeT commander Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi had told him in 2005 that she was part of Muzammil's "botched up" operations.
Lakhvi is currently under arrest in Pakistan for the Mumbai attacks.
"I state that in late 2005, Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi introduced Muzammil to me. Having introduced Muzammil, Zaki talked about the accomplishments of Muzammil as a Lashkar commander. Zaki also sarcastically mentioned that Muzammil was a top commander whose every big 'project' had ended in a failure.
"Zaki added that Ishrat Jahan module was also one of Muzammil's 'botched up' operations," says Para 168 of the NIA report shared with the IB. It adds, in Para 169, that Headley stated that "apart from this, he had no other information/knowledge about Ishrat Jahan".
With the CBI naming senior IB official Rajinder Kumar as complicit in the fake encounter of Ishrat and three others, the disclosure of Headley's statement to NIA appeared to be retaliation by his colleagues who are upset about Kumar being allegedly a "collateral victim" of the Congress-BJP fight.
Interestingly, the NIA did not place this part of Headley's interrogation in the public domain, apparently on the ground that it amounted to hearsay. Intelligence sources, however, wonder how the rest of Headley's revelations were investigated and scrutinized while the Ishrat bit was discounted.
With BJP harping on the Headley evidence, Digvijay Singh, who met home minister Sushilkumar Shinde on Friday, complained about NIA, IB and CBI speaking in different voices. He sought to know if Headley had indeed told NIA that Ishrat was part of an LeT module. The BJP too joined in, asking the government to come clean on the Mumbra teen's alleged terror background.
The disclosure of Headley's statement came even as Shinde said that he would make inquiries from the NIA, and suggested that the IB-CBI feud may be spinning out of government's control.
NIA, for its part, maintains Headley's disclosures have no evidentiary value and are based on "hearsay". It has been suggested that the agency took this position on being nudged by the political authority. It is believed that Headley consented to being interviewed by NIA on the condition that nothing he says would be used for purposes other than aiding further investigation.
The statement made by Headley to FBI is learnt to be even more damning. The FBI statement, as quoted by IB, refers to Headley's revelation that Muzammil, with the help of Javed Shaikh alias Pranesh Pillai, had recruited Ishrat as a potential bomber. The LeT module, he is reported to have said, was planning attacks on temples in India.
Interestingly, MHA's own affidavit filed in the Gujarat High Court in 2007 cites Ishrat's links with LeT. It states Javed was in touch with the Lashkar cadres who were planning a major operation in Gujarat. It said Javed, who converted to Islam but secured a passport in his original Hindu name, Pranesh Pillai, had travelled to Dubai, where he worked for Lashkar. Later, he met Ishrat in Mumbai and convinced her to join him.
Though the MHA revised the affidavit in 2009, it only delinked itself from the follow-up action on the IB inputs, but stopped short of disowning the inputs on terror links of the slain module.
The MHA affidavit had pointed out how Ishrat was hailed as a martyr on the LeT website and in its publication Ghazva Times soon after the encounter.
The postings had taken umbrage to her veil being removed. Interestingly, the post on the said website was pulled off in 2007, and an apology tendered for her being labeled an LeT cadre. This came just before Gopinath Pillai, father of Javed Sheikh, filed a petition in the Supreme Court demanding a CBI probe into the encounter.
David Headley mentioned Ishrat’s LeT link, defiant IB says - The Times of India
All the Rashtradrohi's / traitor's platitudes about rule of law is akin to Gandhi's advice to Punjabi refujees that they should allow the Muslims to kill them. He also advised women not to resist when raped so that the rapist is satisfied early and goes away. Had this advice been taken, many of these Rashtradrohis would not have been born. Fortunately, inspite of Gandhi's sincere attempts, we are not all pus**es.
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There were couple of guys who threw acid at innocent girl just because she refused to fall in line with one stupid guy...Raja Shekar reddy was a CM of Andhra at that time..he ordered the police to catch those culprits and encounter them without any inquiry...believe me, Raja Shekar Reddy became an hero overnight....
Imagine, how people think about known terrorist....what is the wrong there in this encounter? Nothing...
Congress, which killed thousands of sikhs just because who killed Indira Gandhi happened to be Sikhs...have no moral rights to take a dig at this...
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