Mitsubishi ATD-X and KAI KF-X, Which is superior?

[sicsheep]

I have quoted russia kid because that engine will come with pakfa/fgfa
We are in no hurry to produce engines,,,,rafale will come with french m-88.

We already have rd-33 and al-31 for mig-29 and su-30 respectively.And su-30 will be upgraded to 117s of su-35 soon enough in mlu.

Chinese have no excess to these engines and are stuck with a relatively old /not so good al-31f and rd-33/93 so they need some alternative.

For tejas we are using ge-404 for mk1 and ge-414 for mk2.

The kaveri engine project has been disbanded as it cannot produce the required wet thrust of at least 85 kn,it achieved thrust in 70's plus it was overweight.The newer engine plan is to develop a 115 kn class engine with foreign assistance and as of now no one knows what happens with it.

last i heard China is acquiring su-35s with 117s, it will be just a matter of time China start producing them, also I have not heard any engine upgrade to existing MKI, it doesn't make sense to upgrade engines of twin engine fighters which already have expansive engines, any source?

 

[he-man]

last i heard China is acquiring su-35s with 117s, it will be just a matter of time China start producing them, also I have not heard any engine upgrade to existing MKI, it doesn't make sense to upgrade engines of twin engine fighters which already have expansive engines, any source?

Al-31fp has 2000 hours life but al-31fm1 has close to 3000 hours so that would be a logical upgrade.
As for su-35 deal it has been circulating for 2 years now but i don''t think chinese have any interest.

 

[siegecrossbow]

ATD-X because KFX is a paper airplane.

 

[mike2000]

As buffer for their 5th gen, this August the first F35 would be assembled for Japanese order.
Japanese engine would have more reference source.

The 5th gen stealth fighters are coming very near to Japan.

Cool. So Japan is getting F-35? I thought Japan is already building its own stealth Fighter? Or Japan wants to operate both at the same time? Thats alot of moneyyyyy. Lets see how things play out. It will be great for Japoan to go for the F-35 though, they are the best of their kind out there. It will boost Japans air capabilities alot. Jpans own stealth fighter will take decades to come to fruition/production/operational to be honest, since its still just started with tech demostrator. So Japan should go for the F-35 (which i guess the Japanese government seems to have understood, and is doing).

As for Vietnam, to be honest, Vietnam can never afford a 5th generation fighter, not even some small rich european countries can afford one, even though they are way wealthier than Vietnam. Vietnam i think should purchased weapons very wisely, since they have a limited budget for now, and their priority should be on improving living standards while having a credible military deterent. So Vietnam shouldnt spend its hard earn cash on vanity weapons, who will soon be abandoned, for their maintannce arent cheap. So focus should be on cheaper Sukhois/gripen/Mig or maybe older but potent F-16 versions. Stealth Fighters is a NO GO for Vietnam.

 

[BoQ77]

Cool. So Japan is getting F-35? I thought Japan is already building its own stealth Fighter? Or Japan wants to operate both at the same time? Thats alot of moneyyyyy. Lets see how things play out. It will be great for Japoan to go for the F-35 though, they are the best of their kind out there. It will boost Japans air capabilities alot. Jpans own stealth fighter will take decades to come to fruition/production/operational to be honest, since its still just started with tech demostrator. So Japan should go for the F-35 (which i guess the Japanese government seems to have understood, and is doing).

As for Vietnam, to be honest, Vietnam can never afford a 5th generation fighter, not even some small rich european countries can afford one, even though they are way wealthier than Vietnam. Vietnam i think should purchased weapons very wisely, since they have a limited budget for now, and their priority should be on improving living standards while having a credible military deterent. So Vietnam shouldnt spend its hard earn cash on vanity weapons, who will soon be abandoned, for their maintannce arent cheap. So focus should be on cheaper Sukhois/gripen/Mig or maybe older but potent F-16 versions. Stealth Fighters is a NO GO for Vietnam.

You are right. They're expensive. Even China must find the buyer for them before having a full function next gen fighter.
Vietnam would modernize purchased Sukhoi jets, and look for 4++ Sukhoi Su-35 if the price is affordable. Vietnam need only limited quantity of those to control the SCS operations of potential enemy warships, aircraft carriers around Spratly islands.

The 1st step they DONE in stealth field is getting the long-range, effective radars can detect stealth fighters like J-20. Once detected it would be easier to handle by some more air defense systems.

Vietnam knows their weakness and quite wisely in using their tight budget.
Vietnam know China still use a large quantity of Mig-21 alike and many old era jets, they're useless in offending.
So never worry about their large quantity of fighters.
Vietnam also replace their Mig-21 fleets by a better, good price jets like used F-16.

 

[sicsheep]

You are right. They're expensive. Even China must find the buyer for them before having a full function next gen fighter.
Vietnam would modernize purchased Sukhoi jets, and look for 4++ Sukhoi Su-35 if the price is affordable. Vietnam need only limited quantity of those to control the SCS operations of potential enemy warships, aircraft carriers around Spratly islands.

The 1st step they DONE in stealth field is getting the long-range, effective radars can detect stealth fighters like J-20. Once detected it would be easier to handle by some more air defense systems.

Vietnam knows their weakness and quite wisely in using their tight budget.
Vietnam know China still use a large quantity of Mig-21 alike and many old era jets, they're useless in offending.
So never worry about their large quantity of fighters.
Vietnam also replace their Mig-21 fleets by a better, good price jets like used F-16.

our defense budget is more than India -Russia combined, I think we can afford to develop our fifth-Gen, thank you for your concern.

your 30 su-27/su30 total will be enough for training/peace time patrols, but during conflict, you can sustain 30 loss in a day. what happens then? You call Russia to place more orders?