Mitsubishi ATD-X and KAI KF-X, Which is superior?

[hans]

China is still not successful with Gen5 superior engine
The intended engine WS 15 for J20 is still under developing.
Yet current Russia engine A31F can make it a good fighter, though not that perfect..
Other parts are going well..
In around 5 years countries around China will feel the pressure from J20

For your information, China is still unsuccessful with 5th gen stealth.
What's fly in 2011 ?

 

[BoQ77]

China is still not successful with Gen5 superior engine
The intended engine WS 15 for J20 is still under developing.
Yet current Russia engine A31F can make it a good fighter, though not that perfect..
Other parts are going well..
In around 5 years countries around China will feel the pressure from J20

I wish the J-20 or at least J-31 could soon make first flight with the best domestic engines could be made.
That's only good answer for both "anti" or "pro" question "how good the Chinese next gen aircraft ? "

What we seeing, Chinese aerospace continue to postpone the operation of mature jet engines on their next gen aircrafts.
Recently, J-31 made a disappointment when continue flying with RD-93 engines.
Heavy transport jet also mounted with Russian made engine.
J-10B ( fresh new from factory) down with Russian made engine too.

 

[hans]

J11B is using China engine Taihang now..
After many years of problem solving, probably 8 years, it finally can work.
There are many J11Bs with Taihang engine now.
It is a tough progress indeed.
But once you go through the hardest part, the coming future will be bright.

I wish the J-20 or at least J-31 could soon make first flight with the best domestic engines could be made.
That's only good answer for both "anti" or "pro" question "how good the Chinese next gen aircraft ? "

What we seeing, Chinese aerospace continue to postpone the operation of mature jet engines on their next gen aircrafts.
Recently, J-31 made a disappointment when continue flying with RD-93 engines.
Heavy transport jet also mounted with Russian made engine.
J-10B down with Russian made engine too.

 

[BoQ77]

J11B is using China engine Taihang now..
After many years of problem solving, probably 8 years, it finally can work.
There are many J11Bs with Taihang engine now.
It is a tough progress indeed.
But once you go through the hardest part, the coming future will be bright.

Great. I have a doubt. One of reasons J11B come with domestic engine is because it's twin-engine fighter and it could be survived if one of two engine not working?
single-engine still no. That's also the reason for the J10B down , the single engine not working.

So the rumor says that "ratio of not working Taihang engines so high" and many of them brought back to the factory for fixing. That's why there's no progress in arming Taihang engines to Chinese aircrafts. And China continue to sign more purchasing contract of Russian engines.

 

[war is peace]

I have the feeling that china waits for the USA to make stupid china comments before embarasing them in beijing eg obama

 

[BoQ77]

They will not play that childish game.

 

[C130]

which is superior? the one that flies first and is combat ready

 

[he-man]

which is superior? the one that flies first and is combat ready

Not many are thinking before posting here.

 

[C130]

Not many are thinking before posting here.

for real
let's get them built and tested first

 

[he-man]

for real
let's get them built and tested first

They think that when they are successful in making a clone of al-31,russia would still be napping forgetting it already has plans to make a 170-180 kn class engine with 6000 hours life by 2020(serial production).

They also forget soviets built 180 kn al-41 some 15-16 years back,too bad it was heavy and they had no money to pursue the research but things have improved.

 

[sicsheep]

They think that when they are successful in making a clone of al-31,russia would still be napping forgetting it already has plans to make a 170-180 kn class engine with 6000 hours life by 2020(serial production).

They also forget soviets built 180 kn al-41 some 15-16 years back,too bad it was heavy and they had no money to pursue the research but things have improved.

Where is India turbofan? And how many planes are flying it, info pls

 

[he-man]

Where is India turbofan? And how many planes are flying it, info pls

Where does india come into being here boy?

 

[Carlosa]

The reason we have political will is because we are a single-party with no political infighting..

"single-party with no political infighting" Hmmmm Maybe a China in a parallel universe.

 

[sicsheep]

Where does india come into being here boy?

why not let us know? it was a serious question, why avoid it boy?

 

[he-man]

well not let us know? it was a serious question, why avoid it boy?

I have quoted russia kid because that engine will come with pakfa/fgfa
We are in no hurry to produce engines,,,,rafale will come with french m-88.

We already have rd-33 and al-31 for mig-29 and su-30 respectively.And su-30 will be upgraded to 117s of su-35 soon enough in mlu.

Chinese have no excess to these engines and are stuck with a relatively old /not so good al-31f and rd-33/93 so they need some alternative.

For tejas we are using ge-404 for mk1 and ge-414 for mk2.

The kaveri engine project has been disbanded as it cannot produce the required wet thrust of at least 85 kn,it achieved thrust in 70's plus it was overweight.The newer engine plan is to develop a 115 kn class engine with foreign assistance and as of now no one knows what happens with it.