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Missing Saudi Journalist Puts Kingdom on Collision Course With Turkey

The killing of shapur bakhtiar and his likes happened in what I call a revolutionary eraf by ideological motivated fools. Even leftist like RAF exdcuted innocents in that era. That era is finished, even Islamic republic knows those times are past.

I never defended "my" governments actions. You know the nicknames I've given to khamenei and Larijani brothers. The unintentionally killing of Canadian-Iranian Zahra Kazemi, Iranian journalist, is still in my memory. Even Iranian government chief of intelligence said this murder was unjustly and that it happened by rogue elements who were not part of government.

However cutting a journalist in pieces in a consulate, pre-planned on a foreign soil, while claiming being reformist/progressive is a new low. In 2018 only Isis does such actions. It does not surprise me at all, this badawi has no diplomatic skills and probably no manners.
We shouldn’t jump to conclusions because these claims made by ikhwan and Qatar also Saudis are not that stupid to kill someone who just visited their consulate and make all that attention they can kill him at his house or apartment without make any attention
 
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We shouldn’t jump to conclusions because these claims made by ikhwan and Qatar also Saudis are not that stupid to kill someone who just visited their consulate and make all that attention they can kill him at his house or apartment without make any attention
Except if something went wrong inside the Embassy...and they had to clean up...
And let's be honest... Whatever he's dead or not... KSA can do it and no one can do anything about it... Neither the US or EU will open their mouth... They didn't for Thousands of war causalities or Decades of Human abuse...not gonna change today...even more when the one giving "moral speech" are turning like the others...

Why why not shutting up those who speak against her agenda?
 
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Except if something went wrong inside the Embassy...and they had to clean up...
And let's be honest... Whatever he's dead or not... KSA can do it and no one can do anything about it... Neither the US or EU will open their mouth... They didn't for Thousands of war causalities or Decades of Human abuse...not gonna change today...even more when the one giving "moral speech" are turning like the others...
Unless the Turkish and other organizations will not be quite about it
 
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Unless the Turkish and other organizations will not be quite about it
And? What can TR do? except engaging in a diplomatic dispute? Therefore limiting KSA at a National level only.
Same for Other international organization? They will speak and that's it...

As long the powerful in this world don't decide to step in...nothing will change...

Or maybe you forgot Israel behavior? ASSad one? China?RU?or even the US themselves...
 
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We shouldn’t jump to conclusions because these claims made by ikhwan and Qatar also Saudis are not that stupid to kill someone who just visited their consulate and make all that attention they can kill him at his house or apartment without make any attention
Wait and see, maybe they are not stupid, maybe they are extremely stupid. I don't jump to any conclusion. It's not clear what has happened. Saudi government is innocent until proven guilty in this case. I don't know if some people are trying to hide information. One of his friends said he had been called and have been told that the journalist is murdered and dismembered. Soon we'll know what really happened.. who knows he is alive somewhere and maybe kidnapped or something. However if we don't hear anything from him longer than a week then he's either murdered or kidnapped and the suspect will be saudi diplomats/government.

“Now when this person enters, whose duty is it to prove that he left or not? It is (the duty) of the consulate officials,” Erdogan said during a visit to Hungary. “Don’t you have cameras and other things? Why don’t you prove it, you have to prove it.”
 
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That is a gift from God for Ergodan, now he can eliminate all the Turkish journalists, hostile to his rule, that hid in Saudi ...
 
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So was he really killed or was that meant to publicize his disappearance to pressure Saudi authorities on his whereabouts? There are some theories suggesting he may have been kidnapped and taken back to Saudi Arabia. Who knows at this point and what kind of discussions are ongoing in private.

If they did take him back to Saudi, I'm sure that can be determined easily and they would've just leaked that.
 
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what a mistake by stupid MBS
MBS will be called as a terrorist and bye bye vision 2030





That is a gift from God for Ergodan, now he can eliminate all the Turkish journalists, hostile to his rule, that hid in Saudi

Turkey is a democratic and constitutional state .. even there are party of Pkk terrorist organization in Turkish parliement

and ERDOGAN rose to power as prime minister in 2003 and stayed in that position until he was elected president in 2014

on the other hand S.Arabia has undemocratic dictatorial regime who created terror organizations such as Al Qaida with American CIA

Intelligance services says that by 2 private jets 15 Saudis arrived in Turkey on Tuesday
and they visited the Saudi consulate there on the day Khashoggi went missing

and 15 Saudis killed journalist inside Saudi consulate and they split the body of the journalist and his body pieces removed from the building by 15 Saudis and the 15 Saudis have all since left Turkey the same day

He was killed in a barbaric way ..... S.ARABIA and ISIS have same mentality
 
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what a mistake by stupid S.Arabia
MBS will be called as a terrorist and bye bye vision 2030







Turkey is a democratic and constitutional state .. even there are party of Pkk terrorist organization in Turkish parliement

and ERDOGAN rose to power as prime minister in 2003 and stayed in that position until he was elected president in 2014

on the other hand S.Arabia has undemocratic dictatorial regime who created terror organizations such as Al Qaida with American CIA

Intelligance services says that by 2 private jets 15 person arrived to Turkey from S.Arabia on Tuesday
and 15 person killed journalist inside Saudi consulate and they split the body of the journalist and his body pieces removed from the building by 15 person

He was killed in a barbaric way ..... S.ARABIA and ISIS have same mentality
no kidding .... method to madness ... hard to believe .. but... no shitzz
 
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what a mistake by stupid MBS
MBS will be called as a terrorist and bye bye vision 2030







Turkey is a democratic and constitutional state .. even there are party of Pkk terrorist organization in Turkish parliement

and ERDOGAN rose to power as prime minister in 2003 and stayed in that position until he was elected president in 2014

on the other hand S.Arabia has undemocratic dictatorial regime who created terror organizations such as Al Qaida with American CIA

Intelligance services says that by 2 private jets 15 person arrived to Turkey from S.Arabia on Tuesday
and 15 person killed journalist inside Saudi consulate and they split the body of the journalist and his body pieces removed from the building by 15 person and they returned back to S.Arabia the same day

He was killed in a barbaric way ..... S.ARABIA and ISIS have same mentality

This is how it happens. At one point these godfathers miscalculate and it brings them down. It looks like that even trump is having hard time defending the Machiavellian prince. Here's the sentiment in the US about this entire episode:


US officials voice concern over missing Saudi journalist
Chorus of comments by US indicates level of anxiety over Jamal Khashoggi's fate and effect on Saudi-American relations.
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A girl holds a poster with a photo of missing Saudi writer Jamal Khashoggi during a protest [Lefteris Pitarakis/AP]

US President Donald Trump expressed concern about the fate of prominent Saudi journalist and regime critic Jamal Khashoggi, who vanished after entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul last week.

"I am concerned. I don't like hearing about it. Hopefully that will sort itself out," Trump told reporters at the White House.

"Right now, nobody knows anything about it. There are some pretty bad stories going around. I do not like it."

Khashoggi, a US resident, has written articles over the past year critical of Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. On the eve of his planned marriage to a Turkish woman, he entered the consulate on October 2 and has not been seen since.

Turkish officials have said he was murdered inside the building. Riyadh denies that and claims he left the compound on his own.

US Vice President Mike Pence also waded into the controversy over the disappeared Saudi, saying "the free world deserves answers".

Republican Senator Lindsey Graham said Riyadh must provide "honest answers" about the journalist.

"We agree that if there was any truth to the allegations of wrongdoing by the Saudi government it would be devastating to the US-Saudi relationship and there will be a heavy price to be paid - economically and otherwise," Graham tweeted.



Saudi Arabia denies killing of Kashoggi inside Turkey consulate

"Our country's values should be and must be a cornerstone of our foreign policy with foes and allies alike," he said.

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo called for a thorough and open probe by Saudi Arabia.

"We call on the government of Saudi Arabia to support a thorough investigation of Mr Khashoggi's disappearance and to be transparent about the results of that investigation," Pompeo said in a statement.

US-based political analyst Bill Schneider told Al Jazeera the chorus of comments by American officials indicates the level concern over the journalist's fate, and how it could effect the close relationship between Trump and Saudi leaders.

"They're under pressure from members of congress and the press. Members of congress are talking about an investigation… The result is there is pressure domestically to look into this matter," said Schneider.

'Cannot save themselves'
Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said on Monday that Saudi officials must prove that Khashoggi left the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.

"We have to get an outcome from this investigation as soon as possible. The consulate officials cannot save themselves by simply saying 'he has left'," Erdogan said.

The 59-year-old contributor to the Washington Post spent last year in the United States in self-imposed exile after he fled Saudi Arabia amid a crackdown on intellectuals and activists who criticised the policies of Prince Mohammed. He was last seen by his fiancee, Hatice Cengiz, entering the consulate to obtain a document needed for their marriage. She and Turkish officials say he never emerged, even though Saudi Arabia insists he left the building.

Turkish authorities have said they believe Khashoggi was most likely killed inside the consulate building and his body later removed from the premises, though they haven't provided any evidence.

The Washington Post also pressured the administration to investigate.

"If Mr Khashoggi was murdered inside the consulate, it will cast the Saudi regime and its de facto ruler - Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman - in a new and disturbing light and require a thorough re-evaluation of US-Saudi relations," the newspaper said in an op-ed.



Is Saudi Arabia's crown prince really a reformer?

Khashoggi, 59, has had a long career as a senior journalist in Saudi Arabia and also as an advisor to top officials.

But since the emergence of Prince Mohammed, 33, as the centre of power in the kingdom last year, Khashoggi has been openly critical of the monarchy.

He has assailed the prince's reforms as hollow, accusing him of introducing a new Saudi era of "fear, intimidation, arrests and public shaming".

'Crossed the line'
Killing someone such as Khashoggi - who long had ties to the royal family and the Saudi intelligence apparatus - in a consulate would be a major escalation in the prince's rise.

"I think the Saudis may have crossed the line. It puts the US in a corner. Will it defend its ally or will it stand up for human rights and free speech and free journalism?" said Yoel Guzansky, a senior researcher at the Institute for National Security Studies, a top Israeli think tank, and a former adviser to the Israeli prime minister on Iran and Gulf affairs.

Ties between Turkey and Saudi Arabia are at a low point over Ankara's support for Qatar last year in its dispute with Saudi Arabia and other Gulf nations. Turkey sent food to Qatar and deployed troops at its military base there.

Saudi Arabia is also annoyed by Ankara's rapprochement with its arch-rival, Iran.



Missing Saudi journalist Khashoggi supporters rally in Turkey

"Turkey is maintaining a very delicate balance in its relations with Saudi Arabia. The relations have the potential of evolving into a crisis at any moment," said Ozgur Unluhisarcikli, director of the German Marshall Fund's Ankara office.

He expected a measured response from Turkey, which is suffering a currency crisis and would be reluctant to chase away investment from Saudi Arabia or other Gulf states.

Ankara would likely wait and see what Washington's reaction to the disappearance would be, before initiating any action against Saudi Arabia, Unluhisarcikli added.

Sultan al-Saad al-Qahtani, the editor of the Riyadh Post website and a supporter of the crown prince, called the situation "a Hollywood movie scenario".

"There is no country that kills opponents of its policy inside an official building in a foreign country," he said. "The responsibility of preserving Mr Khashoggi's life rests with the Turkish government."

Journalists and activists gathered outside the Saudi consulate in Istanbul also demanded information on Khashoggi's fate.

"We demand from the international community to pressure Saudi Arabia and Mohammed bin Salman to tell us exactly what happened," said Mohamed Okad, a friend of Khashoggi and founder of Insight into Crisis, a conflict advisory group.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018...missing-saudi-journalist-181009014958388.html
 
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So was he really killed or was that meant to publicize his disappearance to pressure Saudi authorities on his whereabouts? There are some theories suggesting he may have been kidnapped and taken back to Saudi Arabia. Who knows at this point and what kind of discussions are ongoing in private.

If they did take him back to Saudi, I'm sure that can be determined easily and they would've just leaked that.

Whatever he's dead or kidnapped... KSA can't say... Otherwise she will fail her "new Image"...
It's not like other countries could do anything about it... But added to everything around... could be problematic in some area, like her Admission in multiple "Forums" and "Groups" of influence, where Image is key.

So, as long there is no body...There is no Proof...
 
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So, as long there is no body...There is no Proof...


S.Arabia should prove that missing journalist has in fact left the Saudi consulate in Istanbul but they can not prove it
President ERDOGAN said the Saudi consulate should have CCTV cameras and should be able to show the video of Journalist leaving the building .... He mentioned that there are no evidence that show the journalist departing

but Turkey has its own cameras to watch the Saudi consulate

bye bye new image and vision 2030 ,,,, terrorist MBS and criminal dictatorial regime similar to ISIS
 
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Whatever he's dead or kidnapped... KSA can't say... Otherwise she will fail her "new Image"...
It's not like other countries could do anything about it... But added to everything around... could be problematic in some area, like her Admission in multiple "Forums" and "Groups" of influence, where Image is key.

So, as long there is no body...There is no Proof...

I don't believe Turkish authorities have concluded the investigation yet, they are still tracking two vans and inspecting camera footage near the embassy. It's a professional approach not to rush to conclusions, and Turkey does not want fallout in relations with Saudi Arabia. This will be major controversy for Saudi Arabia if he indeed was killed by them and Turkey has all the evidence to reveal. So there are most likely private discussions ongoing now to get to the bottom of it.

If they did kidnap him and he is detained in Saudi Arabia, I don't see why there was such an urgent need to do so. If they killed him, same thing. I hope he wasn't killed, otherwise this shows you Saudi's are becoming fanatical nationalists like the every other idiot regime in the region(I despise all of them). That's the last thing I want them to become. But, go read defense arab thread on this matter, it will make your head explode. More importantly will show you how brainwashed and fanatical some of these people have become with nationalism.

S.Arabia should prove that missing journalist has in fact left the Saudi consulate in Istanbul but they can not prove it
President ERDOGAN said the Saudi consulate should have CCTV cameras and should be able to show the video of Journalist leaving the building .... He mentioned that there are no evidence that show the journalist departing

but Turkey has its own cameras to watch the Saudi consulate

bye bye new image and vision 2030 ,,,, terrorist MBS and criminal dictatorial regime similar to ISIS

What does vision 2030 have to do with this? Whatever happens, as a country they need to benefit from tourism, diversify economy and so on.

But, yeah, as you said, Turkey has cameras I believe covering embassy entrances/exits.

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I don't believe Turkish authorities have concluded the investigation yet, they are still tracking two vans and inspecting camera footage near the embassy. It's a professional approach not to rush to conclusions, and Turkey does not want fallout in relations with Saudi Arabia. This will be major controversy for Saudi Arabia if he indeed was killed by them and Turkey has all the evidence to reveal. So there are most likely private discussions ongoing now to get to the bottom of it.

If they did kidnap him and he is detained in Saudi Arabia, I don't see why there was such an urgent need to do so. If they killed him, same thing. I hope he wasn't killed, otherwise this shows you Saudi's are becoming fanatical nationalists like the every other idiot regime in the region(I despise all of them). That's the last thing I want them to become. But, go read defense arab thread on this matter, it will make your head explode. More importantly will show you how brainwashed and fanatical some of these people have become with nationalism.



What does vision 2030 have to do with this? Whatever happens, as a country they need to benefit from tourism, diversify economy and so on.

But, yeah, as you said, Turkey has cameras I believe covering embassy entrances/exits.

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"When your father is with you...Who do you fear?"
That's how KSA and those going with Trump wave aka Dictatorish behavior... choose to behave
When there is no consequences, then why playing with silk gloves?

And last... isn't the first time... You can see how KSA harsh/public behavior evolved since MBS rise... Never in KSA history (Even in time of war, it wasn't like that) did such radical ideology was used...

As for the Nationalist part... it's the first step to downfall... Nationalism is a cancer... Many seems to mix btw Nationalism and Patriotism... One will push the country to implosion by being selfish while the other will make it stronger ...
A Patriot is the opposite of being Nationalist...

But the simple mind can't grasp it... But anyway...it's part of the Human cycle... Everything happen for a reason... Many shall be sacrificed for the Beginning of a new future..; Only problem... The sacrifice isn't who they think it is...
 
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What does vision 2030 have to do with this? Whatever happens, as a country they need to benefit from tourism, diversify economy and so on.

what about radicalism and state terrorism ? what about new image of S.Arabia ?

MBS ordered to kill journalist inside Saudi consulate ,, and He was killed in a barbaric way by radical criminal regime , similar to ISIS

S.Arabia is not democratic and constitutional state ,, S.Arabia is a radical islamist state which rules by dictatorial regime .. and S.Arabia is founder of radical terrorist organizations ..... Nobody wants to go to S.Arabia for holiday
 
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