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LONDON - The powerful brother of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has warned the military establishments of both India and Pakistan not to block efforts to sweep aside trade barriers between the two distrustful neighbours.

On Indian affairs, Shahbaz Sharif, the chief minister of Punjab, is widely seen as the de facto Pakistani foreign minister, conducting diplomatic missions to Delhi on behalf of his brother Nawaz Sharif.

But speaking to the Guardian, he warned that distrustful ‘security agencies’ in both Pakistan and India were one of the two main ‘blockages’ holding back plans to liberalise trade, which the Sharifs believe will provide a desperately needed boost to Pakistan's moribund economy.
"Security agencies on both sides need to really understand that in today's world, a security-led vision is obviously driven by economic security," he said. "Unless you have economic security then you can't have general security."

While the Sharif brothers, in common with most mainstream politicians in Pakistan, are impatient for a rapprochement with India, the military is far more wary.

Pakistan's powerful military has warned the Sharifs against making rapid concessions, particularly in the run-up to India's general election. The incumbent Congress party is struggling to hold off a strong challenge from the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party.

Manmohan Singh, the prime minister, has long favoured better relations with Pakistan and may still travel across the frontier before the polls, which are due in April or May.

At the same time jihadi organisations in Pakistan with considerable street power have noisily protested against any trade deals with India.

But the brothers are determined to make progress. Sharif said disputes including Kashmir, cross-border water rights and the Siachen Glacier – where soldiers from both sides are engaged in a gruelling, high-altitude standoff – would only be resolved through "dialogue and imaginative thinking".

"If we remain hostage to our past then we will go nowhere," Sharif said in an interview at his private mansion in Lahore.

"We have fought three wars and it brought nothing but devastation and destruction. It brought miseries on both sides. It added more poverty, more unemployment. It solved nothing."
Even though Pakistan and India share thousands of miles of border, common languages and many cultural traditions, trade is negligible.

Few goods cross through the sleepy border crossing at Wagah border, which sits between Lahore and the Indian city of Amritsar – just a dozen miles from each.

Some goods are traded via third countries such as the United Arab Emirates, a practice Sharif describes as "very, very expensive".
Sharif said he told Singh during a meeting in Delhi in December that the matter was with Pakistan's courts on Mumbai attacks and "those who are found to be involved, there is no question they will be punished".
Many observers, conscious of LeT's historic relationship with Pakistan's military intelligence agency, are sceptical that anyone will ever be brought to book.

But Sharif said India has its own hardline groups opposed to peace efforts, naming the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, a rightwing Hindu nationalist organisation which he said regularly protested against Pakistan.

Sharif said Islamabad had presented credible evidence of Indian involvement in the separatist insurgency raging in Baluchistan.

"Both countries need to stop the blame game and jointly resolve to move aside these roadblocks and move forward with a clear-cut agenda," he said.

Analyst Ashok Mehta, a retired Indian army general, said Sharif was wrong to say Indian "security agencies" were opposed to better relations with Pakistan, because many senior officers believed an improvement in relations with Pakistan "would free us up to deal with the greater threat, which is China".

Mehta said that, outside Kashmir, the Indian army and intelligence services were "subservient to the civilian leadership".

"The big difference between security officials in Pakistan and India is that in India they take orders from a civilian government," he told the Guardian.


Military blocking Pak-India trade deal: Shahbaz
 
Military blocking Pak-India trade deal: ShahbazSharif

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LONDON - The powerful brother of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif has warned the military establishments of both India and Pakistan not to block efforts to sweep aside trade barriers between the two distrustful neighbours.

On Indian affairs, Shahbaz Sharif, the chief minister of Punjab, is widely seen as the de facto Pakistani foreign minister, conducting diplomatic missions to Delhi on behalf of his brother Nawaz Sharif.

But speaking to the Guardian, he warned that distrustful ‘security agencies’ in both Pakistan and India were one of the two main ‘blockages’ holding back plans to liberalise trade, which the Sharifs believe will provide a desperately needed boost to Pakistan's moribund economy.
"Security agencies on both sides need to really understand that in today's world, a security-led vision is obviously driven by economic security," he said. "Unless you have economic security then you can't have general security."

While the Sharif brothers, in common with most mainstream politicians in Pakistan, are impatient for a rapprochement with India, the military is far more wary.

Pakistan's powerful military has warned the Sharifs against making rapid concessions, particularly in the run-up to India's general election. The incumbent Congress party is struggling to hold off a strong challenge from the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party.

Manmohan Singh, the prime minister, has long favoured better relations with Pakistan and may still travel across the frontier before the polls, which are due in April or May.

At the same time jihadi organisations in Pakistan with considerable street power have noisily protested against any trade deals with India.

But the brothers are determined to make progress. Sharif said disputes including Kashmir, cross-border water rights and the Siachen Glacier – where soldiers from both sides are engaged in a gruelling, high-altitude standoff – would only be resolved through "dialogue and imaginative thinking".

"If we remain hostage to our past then we will go nowhere," Sharif said in an interview at his private mansion in Lahore.

"We have fought three wars and it brought nothing but devastation and destruction. It brought miseries on both sides. It added more poverty, more unemployment. It solved nothing."
Even though Pakistan and India share thousands of miles of border, common languages and many cultural traditions, trade is negligible.

Few goods cross through the sleepy border crossing at Wagah border, which sits between Lahore and the Indian city of Amritsar – just a dozen miles from each.

Some goods are traded via third countries such as the United Arab Emirates, a practice Sharif describes as "very, very expensive".
Sharif said he told Singh during a meeting in Delhi in December that the matter was with Pakistan's courts on Mumbai attacks and "those who are found to be involved, there is no question they will be punished".
Many observers, conscious of LeT's historic relationship with Pakistan's military intelligence agency, are sceptical that anyone will ever be brought to book.

But Sharif said India has its own hardline groups opposed to peace efforts, naming the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh, a rightwing Hindu nationalist organisation which he said regularly protested against Pakistan.

Sharif said Islamabad had presented credible evidence of Indian involvement in the separatist insurgency raging in Baluchistan.

"Both countries need to stop the blame game and jointly resolve to move aside these roadblocks and move forward with a clear-cut agenda," he said.

Analyst Ashok Mehta, a retired Indian army general, said Sharif was wrong to say Indian "security agencies" were opposed to better relations with Pakistan, because many senior officers believed an improvement in relations with Pakistan "would free us up to deal with the greater threat, which is China".

Mehta said that, outside Kashmir, the Indian army and intelligence services were "subservient to the civilian leadership".
"The big difference between security officials in Pakistan and India is that in India they take orders from a civilian government," he told the Guardian.

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Fcuk the rightwingers. The two countries can prosper and even become peaceful neighbours if they start with trade and mutual co operation pacts. The water issues, Kashmir and the other disputes are all easily resolvable. All which is required is a commitment to peace on both sides. If there is peace and trust then issues such as Kashmir will fall by the wayside with agreements such as the unification of Kashmir with that area becoming an autonomous free trade zone.
 
Fcuk the rightwingers. The two countries can prosper and even become peaceful neighbours if they start with trade and mutual co operation pacts. The water issues, Kashmir and the other disputes are all easily resolvable. All which is required is a commitment to peace on both sides. If there is peace and trust then issues such as Kashmir will fall by the wayside with agreements such as the unification of Kashmir with that area becoming an autonomous free trade zone.
I 100% agree.
 
Cheeni ka karobar rok dia ganjai ka fauj nai. Good. :)

good????
Pakistan was the exporter of sugar
btw....i heard India was supposed to double the import duty on sugar from Pak and Brazil
if the news is correct,then its a loss for Pak
 
Fcuk the rightwingers. The two countries can prosper and even become peaceful neighbours if they start with trade and mutual co operation pacts. The water issues, Kashmir and the other disputes are all easily resolvable. All which is required is a commitment to peace on both sides. If there is peace and trust then issues such as Kashmir will fall by the wayside with agreements such as the unification of Kashmir with that area becoming an autonomous free trade zone.
Agreed.

But will the Indian government accept ???
 
chota noora kuch ziada nahi free ho raha donon faujon ko dictate kr raha hai
he needs to get his *** kicked
trade with india is blasphemy :sick:

Agreed.

But will the Indian government accept ???

no one will accept
 
Agreed.

But will the Indian government accept ???

the Chinese are also holding 1/3rd of kashmir????
will they accept
the Pakistanis want kashmir to be a part of Pak
will they accept

its not that simple.......is it????
 
Agreed.

But will the Indian government accept ???

You need to learn baby steps first before you make great strides in life. My point is that somebody needs to start the baby steps. Mr Sharif is doing a good job of it. Hopefully the rest of Pakistan and India will take his cue. Thereafter, my hopes can become a reality
 
Pakistan has to take this issue seriously and not rush to extreme on either side of no trade or totally free trade. Free trade might be the right aim on a medium term perspective. We have to make a thorough study and take the opinions of industry in every sector and make a decision on a sector-wise basis. Several people have made investments in various industries and it would be wrong to give them a total shock by making any abrupt decision. We really do not want to unduly protect our industry and more competition is better in many ways. But the government must make a comprehensive sector-wise policy and inform the different players in each sector of the timetable towards removal of trade barriers otherwise any abrupt policy will ruin many industries and this will be very unfair step from the government of Pakistan. Yes the goal has to be towards more trade and possibly free trade but there has to be a comprehensive study on this matter and then there has to be a phased and planned removal of barriers according to a predetermined timetable and all stakeholders have to be taken into confidence.

One thing is certain that we do not want any barriers just because of traditional long standing enmity with India.
 
Leader, video you have attached seems a bit out of context and it does not have anything to do with "trade with India"
 
If you actually read the article he is talking about both countries military establishments .. not just Pakistan's .. which you so conveniently omitted .
 
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